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Re: M_Boats: Ballenger mast
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 01 May '10

01 May '10

Sal, I love my Ballenger spar - my 'hardcore/very talented fabricator/welder' buddy was MOST impressed when he saw it (he IS picky). I had heard of his work via Moore 24's,Express's of various sizes and talked with him 10-15 years ago about a replacement (never needed it) for my S2 6.7 mast. Buzz Ballenger is a very nice guy who knows what he is doing and executes well. I have nothing but praise for him, his work, pricing etc., a good guy to do business with, after the sale support was also excellent. I think he would be of help in designing/spec.ing the rig for the Sage. Tell him Gary Oberbeck from Phoenix -Arizona Yachts sent you - he'll charge you DOUBLE! LOL! PS ask Stan what he thinks of the rig - he asked me last weekend 'how much was that mast?' after we loaded my old worn but serviceable mast onto his boat. Take Care,Have Fun, Go Sailing Happy May Day! GO In a message dated 5/1/2010 11:03:30 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, SALGLESSER(a)aol.com writes: Hey Gary, 6061-T6 is a newer type of aluminum alloy that has proved superior for a number of strength reasons. When we use aluminum, we specify T6. How do like your Ballenger mast? We have one on our Moore and we've been pleased. We were discussing masts with Jerry last week and Ballenger came up in conversation. Why did you choose that maker? Would you recommend one for the Sage? sal M15 - "Justus" - 1986 - #361 M23 - #2 - being built In a message dated 4/25/2010 6:54:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, GILASAILR(a)aol.com writes: Jim, I think I see what you are referring to. The mast bracket attachment is - spreading the sail track and allowing the lower mount to come out of the mast?? I can't recall what shape piece is used for the nut inside my track - I seem to remember a piece of tapped aluminum rod maybe 1/2" in diameter - will have to check. I wonder if the mast section is of correct temper if the track 'ears' were bent apart by the forces of the fitting? What 'Dwyer' type section (I assume) is the one that is being used or was used on your boat or the most current? I have used the Boomkicker on my original Jerry Montgomery/MacG style mast extrusion and on my current Ballenger section - never had that issue. The newest mast is of harder temper (probably not the proper terminology) but the old one was T-3 and the new one is T-6 don't recall the alloy numbers.They are the same. I don't understand why you would relegate the use of a Boomkicker to a racing application? I have pretty much 'raced myself out' cept for chasing Jerry, Stan and Eldor around! Or Point to Point racing. My reasoning for cruising usage is the same for racing - less windage - less weight aloft - less tangle when it comes to reefing or raising/lowering sail. I find it a simple and elegant solution. Don't worry about "rephrasing". I can't write my way out of coffee can and so often come off as 1. - a smart ass. 2. Jerk. 3. Know it all. 4. Effete snob. I sometimes appear less than diplomatic but don't really mean any harm! It is that my writing skills suck! BTW - I do NOT make my living selling this stuff anymore - I am a retired MIP per USSailing. Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing! GO In a message dated 4/25/2010 10:14:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, picfo(a)comcast.net writes: Gary, What I meant by "popping out" was that the slide clamp that sits inside the mast groove would actually spring the mast open enough to... well... "pop out" ( this was on their "0400 model"). Remember that different M17 model years used different mast sections. What works on a Jerry Montgomery era mast might not work on my 2007 model mast. I'm not condemning the Boomkicker for this because I believe they make different fittings that will resolve this issue. To the question; "What is the benefit of a track mount?" My answer is a an assertive; "I dunno." If it's not too late, I'd like to replace the phrase; "get the optional track mount." with; "get the proper fitting for your mast." My point is this: If you do get a model 0400 Boomkicker and install it on your late-model M17, be careful because the stock fitting may spring your mast groove open and "pop out". If this happens I recommend you talk to the Boomkicker people and discuss what fittings they have that can resolve this issue. My overall opinion is that the Boomkicker is a well built product and, if I raced on a regular basis, would definitely consider it again. But, for my style of sailing a topping lift is simpler and better. Gary, anytime someone gets on this list serve and criticizes a product they should certainly be expected to describe the circumstances and clarify their opinion. Thanks for the opportunity. Jim M17 "Spirit" On Apr 25, 2010, at 1:46 AM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > Jim, > > I have been using a Boomkicker for about 13 years and never had an > issue > with the item being anything but reliable. > > I sounds like you may not have had enough 'preload' in your rods to > keep it > engaged. I find the product to be elegantly simple and reliable as a > stick. What is the benefit of the track mount ? > > Best part of the Boomkicker- as I get a bit older (what did I do with > that...?) the Boomkicker is at deck level if I forget to connect > it- not at the > masthead! > > I am a subscriber to K.I.S.S. and "stick and stone technology" when > possible. > > GO > > PS to the list - I got to spend some quality time with Stan 'Paint > Boy' > Susman this afternoon and got to see the new yacht! Go Stan!!! > > In a message dated 4/23/2010 10:51:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > picfo(a)comcast.net writes: > > If you do get a Boomkicker get the optional track mount. The slug > fitting just pops out of the groove. They seem to be pretty well > constructed otherwise. I still sent mine back after it popped out a > few times (K.I.S.S.) > > Jim > M-17 "Spirit" > > On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:33 PM, <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> > <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> wrote: > >> Has anyone mentioned a boomkicker or similar (http:// >> www.boomkicker.com/) as >> another option? >> >> Depending on how the boat is used, it may prove to be a better >> option (or >> not) to a topping lift. >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Gary M Hyde >>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:29 PM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>> >>> Haul in the rear reef line as you lower the sail. Then you don't >>> need >>> the topping lift. I did it a lot on my M15. The topping lift >>> might be >>> better though. >>> >>> --Gary Hyde >>> 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Joe Murphy wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. I can't see in my minds eye how to reef without securing >>>> the >>> toping lift first. If not, how do you keep the boom up when you >>> drop >>> the sail?? >>>> Joe >>>> M17 Seafrog >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: eisenee(a)aol.com >>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You still need that topping lift when reefing and shaking the >>>> reef >>> out. >>>> Eldor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ndorf(a)surfbest.net >>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> Sent: Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:39 pm >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>>> >>>> >>>> Plus, Sal, with a backstay you can do away with the need for a >>>> opping lift if you have a spliced-off section to hook the end of >>>> the >>>> oom onto just while setting up and taking down. >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> montgomery_boats >>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi- >>> bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>> >>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> montgomery_boats >>>> >>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>> montgomery_boats >>> >>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2814 - Release Date: >>> 04/23/10 06:31:00 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >> montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Testing 123
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 01 May '10

01 May '10

yep, it's an awesome place......Sorry you were forced to sit through my "dribble" just to get a look at the trip! hahaha Always, after making those videos, time will go by and I'll go back and watch and just groan at my commentary! hahaha Oh well! Wish we could join you up there! Maybe next summer. Sean

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Re: M_Boats: Testing 123
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 01 May '10

01 May '10

"As this group can attest to...the gulf islands and American San Juans are super spots for cruising." I'll second that, Tim. The San Juans and Gulf Islands are AWESOME! I can't wait to come back and do some more exploring. Sean M23 "Dauntless" _www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com)

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Re: M_Boats: outboards
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 01 May '10

01 May '10

Hey Todd, Thanx for the visual. had me laughing out loud. I'm partial to Honda outboards (and snow throwers). How does that 5 do for you? Is it the long shaft model? External tank? Any problems? sal M15 - "Justus" - 1986 - #361 M23 - #2 - being built In a message dated 4/25/2010 2:14:23 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, htmills(a)zoominternet.net writes: Hehehe....just spoofing! For the record, I still have the trusty Honda 5. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > TOMMYVAL(a)aol.com > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:12 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: outboards > > Tod, > > When did you trade up to the Mac19 ? haha > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2814 - Release Date: > 04/25/10 06:31:00 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Testing 123
by Tim Diebert 01 May '10

01 May '10

Howdy Folks. What's new? Tim Kelowna BC 1983 M17 # 369 'PUFF'

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Re: M_Boats: Ballenger mast
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 01 May '10

01 May '10

Hey Gary, 6061-T6 is a newer type of aluminum alloy that has proved superior for a number of strength reasons. When we use aluminum, we specify T6. How do like your Ballenger mast? We have one on our Moore and we've been pleased. We were discussing masts with Jerry last week and Ballenger came up in conversation. Why did you choose that maker? Would you recommend one for the Sage? sal M15 - "Justus" - 1986 - #361 M23 - #2 - being built In a message dated 4/25/2010 6:54:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, GILASAILR(a)aol.com writes: Jim, I think I see what you are referring to. The mast bracket attachment is - spreading the sail track and allowing the lower mount to come out of the mast?? I can't recall what shape piece is used for the nut inside my track - I seem to remember a piece of tapped aluminum rod maybe 1/2" in diameter - will have to check. I wonder if the mast section is of correct temper if the track 'ears' were bent apart by the forces of the fitting? What 'Dwyer' type section (I assume) is the one that is being used or was used on your boat or the most current? I have used the Boomkicker on my original Jerry Montgomery/MacG style mast extrusion and on my current Ballenger section - never had that issue. The newest mast is of harder temper (probably not the proper terminology) but the old one was T-3 and the new one is T-6 don't recall the alloy numbers.They are the same. I don't understand why you would relegate the use of a Boomkicker to a racing application? I have pretty much 'raced myself out' cept for chasing Jerry, Stan and Eldor around! Or Point to Point racing. My reasoning for cruising usage is the same for racing - less windage - less weight aloft - less tangle when it comes to reefing or raising/lowering sail. I find it a simple and elegant solution. Don't worry about "rephrasing". I can't write my way out of coffee can and so often come off as 1. - a smart ass. 2. Jerk. 3. Know it all. 4. Effete snob. I sometimes appear less than diplomatic but don't really mean any harm! It is that my writing skills suck! BTW - I do NOT make my living selling this stuff anymore - I am a retired MIP per USSailing. Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing! GO In a message dated 4/25/2010 10:14:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, picfo(a)comcast.net writes: Gary, What I meant by "popping out" was that the slide clamp that sits inside the mast groove would actually spring the mast open enough to... well... "pop out" ( this was on their "0400 model"). Remember that different M17 model years used different mast sections. What works on a Jerry Montgomery era mast might not work on my 2007 model mast. I'm not condemning the Boomkicker for this because I believe they make different fittings that will resolve this issue. To the question; "What is the benefit of a track mount?" My answer is a an assertive; "I dunno." If it's not too late, I'd like to replace the phrase; "get the optional track mount." with; "get the proper fitting for your mast." My point is this: If you do get a model 0400 Boomkicker and install it on your late-model M17, be careful because the stock fitting may spring your mast groove open and "pop out". If this happens I recommend you talk to the Boomkicker people and discuss what fittings they have that can resolve this issue. My overall opinion is that the Boomkicker is a well built product and, if I raced on a regular basis, would definitely consider it again. But, for my style of sailing a topping lift is simpler and better. Gary, anytime someone gets on this list serve and criticizes a product they should certainly be expected to describe the circumstances and clarify their opinion. Thanks for the opportunity. Jim M17 "Spirit" On Apr 25, 2010, at 1:46 AM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > Jim, > > I have been using a Boomkicker for about 13 years and never had an > issue > with the item being anything but reliable. > > I sounds like you may not have had enough 'preload' in your rods to > keep it > engaged. I find the product to be elegantly simple and reliable as a > stick. What is the benefit of the track mount ? > > Best part of the Boomkicker- as I get a bit older (what did I do with > that...?) the Boomkicker is at deck level if I forget to connect > it- not at the > masthead! > > I am a subscriber to K.I.S.S. and "stick and stone technology" when > possible. > > GO > > PS to the list - I got to spend some quality time with Stan 'Paint > Boy' > Susman this afternoon and got to see the new yacht! Go Stan!!! > > In a message dated 4/23/2010 10:51:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > picfo(a)comcast.net writes: > > If you do get a Boomkicker get the optional track mount. The slug > fitting just pops out of the groove. They seem to be pretty well > constructed otherwise. I still sent mine back after it popped out a > few times (K.I.S.S.) > > Jim > M-17 "Spirit" > > On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:33 PM, <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> > <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> wrote: > >> Has anyone mentioned a boomkicker or similar (http:// >> www.boomkicker.com/) as >> another option? >> >> Depending on how the boat is used, it may prove to be a better >> option (or >> not) to a topping lift. >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Gary M Hyde >>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:29 PM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>> >>> Haul in the rear reef line as you lower the sail. Then you don't >>> need >>> the topping lift. I did it a lot on my M15. The topping lift >>> might be >>> better though. >>> >>> --Gary Hyde >>> 2005 M17 #637 sailboat 'Hydeaway 2' >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Joe Murphy wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. I can't see in my minds eye how to reef without securing >>>> the >>> toping lift first. If not, how do you keep the boom up when you >>> drop >>> the sail?? >>>> Joe >>>> M17 Seafrog >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: eisenee(a)aol.com >>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:23 PM >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You still need that topping lift when reefing and shaking the >>>> reef >>> out. >>>> Eldor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ndorf(a)surfbest.net >>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> Sent: Thu, Apr 22, 2010 3:39 pm >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sage Marine >>>> >>>> >>>> Plus, Sal, with a backstay you can do away with the need for a >>>> opping lift if you have a spliced-off section to hook the end of >>>> the >>>> oom onto just while setting up and taking down. >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> montgomery_boats >>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi- >>> bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>>> >>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>>> montgomery_boats >>>> >>>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >>> montgomery_boats >>> >>> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2814 - Release Date: >>> 04/23/10 06:31:00 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ >> montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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