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Re: M_Boats: Hit by lightning? Let me know!
by eisenee＠aol.com 26 May '10

26 May '10

Thanks Bones, now we know there is more then 1 UPS Eldor -----Original Message----- From: bownez <bownez(a)juno.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 8:35 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Hit by lightning? Let me know! Eldor, Uninterruptible Power Systems (UPS). C power regulation and conditioning. C output from inverter DC battery power. o break power for tel-com, server farm, and mid size main frames. hat's my shingle. Bones ___________________________________________________________ enny Stock Jumping 2000% ign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! ttp://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bfc7a7b8a2f5335est03vuc ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Hit by lightning? Let me know!
by bownez＠juno.com 26 May '10

26 May '10

Eldor, Uninterruptible Power Systems (UPS). AC power regulation and conditioning. AC output from inverter DC battery power. No break power for tel-com, server farm, and mid size main frames. That's my shingle. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bfc7a7b8a2f5335est03vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Hit by lightning? Let me know!
by eisenee＠aol.com 25 May '10

25 May '10

Bones Tell us about UPS, I assume its not United Parcel Service. Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: bownez <bownez(a)juno.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 8:07 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Hit by lightning? Let me know! Hello Gordon and M-Boat Gang, I deal with UPS/battery back up systems and have seen many units that have taken lightning hit. Some survive, some are turned into burned junk. The UPS system sually does it job by sacrificing itself to protect the expensive load quipment. However, what I see in the field, is that lightning will do whatever t pleases. You think it will follow one path and it takes another. It is ompletely unpredictable. s a grounding system a good idea on a sailboat? I would say absolutely. I have ead of sailors that will clamp heavy jumper cables to standing rigging and drag he ends in the water. ould that save you and your boat? Maybe. 'm thrilled to watch thunderstorms as well, but I'd also like to be around long nough to spend my IRA. Summer has arrived in Mn. Later, Bones ____________________________________________________________ et Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! ttp://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Hit by lightning? Let me know!
by Gordon Gilbert 25 May '10

25 May '10

Fellow M-boat sailors: I'm not ashamed to admit it: I hate being caught in a thunderstorm while cruising Sapphire, my M-17. Whether I'm underway or at anchor overnight, nearby lightning bolts and thunder booms make me feel like a sitting duck about to be zapped. It's a vulnerability I don't feel, right or wrong, on larger sailboats with grounding systems and lots of room to move away from the mast. Many small boat sailors share my unease with T-storms, but I think few of us know how common it really is to be struck by lightning and what, if anything, there is we can do to lower our risk. Getting off the water is good advice for day sailors plying local waters, of course, but it may not be feasible for those of us out for days at a time -- especially in wilderness areas and for storms that blow up in a hurry. To help "illuminate" this topic, I've proposed an article on lightning and small sailboats to the editors at Small Craft Advisor, and they like the idea. To gather information for the piece, I'd like to find out: Has lightning ever struck your M-boat or another small sailboat you've owned, whether you were aboard at the time or not. If so, what were the circumstances? Did the strike damage the boat (fried electronics, holes in the hull, etc.) or hurt anyone? Do you personally know another small boat sailor who has experienced a lightning strike? Have you equipped or modified your boat in an attempt to reduce the risk of a strike (grounding, etc)? if so, why do you think it works? What do you do when you're caught by a T-storm underway or sitting/sleeping in your boat at anchor? If you have an enlightening story to tell, I'd love to hear from you. Thanks! Gordon '83 M-17 Sapphire Milwaukee, WI

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Re: M_Boats: Hit by lightning? Let me know!
by eisenee＠aol.com 24 May '10

24 May '10

Gordon I have a friend who's Hunter 26 got zapped while on the trailer. All of his electronics got fried. It was the biggest boat in the yacht club boat yard. Maybe the keel was in contact with the trailer and the tongue wheel closed the circuit. I don't have my M17 grounded and have never been on the water when it was needed. Eldor M17 Motu iti

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Hit by lightening
by wudnboatlovr 24 May '10

24 May '10

Some years ago, I had a 15'' plywood catboat tied up in a marina along side the sea wall. It had three stays supporting the mast. Lightening hit the top of the mast, ran down the stay to the SS rub rail, then along the rail to the lowest point of the sheer, then hopped from screw to screw down the side of the boat. It blew the top plywood layer off along two lines of screws, but because the bottom had been glassed, it did not sink the boat. No other damage was found. I was so happy to have not been aboard! Leif Eriksson M17 "Corky"

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Little Breeze
by Jennifer Tiernay 24 May '10

24 May '10

Aloha Michael and Sal ~ Michael, we'll try and take some pictures if we sell her. When we move over to the Big Island, I'll be out of touch for awhile until we figure the best route for internet. When I have time, I can go through my pictures and pick out any photos we have of her and send them to you. The original main sail with #15 was in bad repair but the rest of the sails were good. A gentleman from this list arranged to send us a replacement sail which you'll see in some of the videos. Ron can't remember if he kept the old mainsail but he may have just for posterity. I sure hope so. Sal, Ron's asking $5,000 for boat and trailer. You'd have to check with Matson Shipping to see what it would cost to send her back to the mainland. She'd ship from Nawiliwili Harbor to Honolulu and then from Honolulu to the mainland. Jen and Ron Message: 8 Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 15:49:00 +0900 From: sal glesser <salglesser(a)AOL.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 in Hawaii Message-ID: <AANLkTimupMgkrT4p9-H7Yam_rgOaiRoGklGezWt_DC7z(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Jen, Ron, Little Breeze is a boat with a story. Jerry Montgomery spoke with us about her. She is in Kauai now? What is your asking price? salngail M15 Justus 83 #361 M23 #2 being built Jennifer Tiernay <gently444(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Aloha all ~ We're the owners of Little Breeze, the 15 foot that sailed from >California. After we purchased it, we put it on a trailer and it was in land >storage at the Ala Wai Small Boat Harbor. Since then, we've moved to Kauai >and that's why it is no longer seen at the marina. We are now getting ready >to move to the Big Island and consider selling her due to the high cost of >shipping the boat and trailer - If Michael Mann would like to have first >options and his wife is reading this, let us know. I know you have a deep >connection with little sailboat. > >I'll post it on craigslist for Kauai. If we cannot sell it here we may just >end up taking her. Aloha Nui, Jen and Ron

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Dauntless' keel
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 24 May '10

24 May '10

Thanks for the well wishes for Dauntless. I got a good look at her keel as she sit on the trailer today as I was going through the de-salt ritual this morning. S0 far I see no visible damage. I suspect that the 1/2" stop pin will be deformed when I can get a look at it. In order to see it will mean either the "crane" routine..or floating her off the trailer and Scuba diving underneath. I am really leaning towards the Scuba solution...(it's free) but I'm not sure if I can effect the pendant repair while she is floating. I would have to completely free the swing keel from the existing piece of pendant which is what I would use to lower the keel. But the problem is...how do I then allow the keel to swing forward enough to get to the pendant and effect the switchout, without allowing the keel to swing all the way forward and contact the front of the keel slot? Due to the "quadrant" shape of the swing keel I cannot trust that a line or strap run from sheet winch , under the keel, to the other sheet winch , would not slip off. I installed a new pendant 4 years ago when I rebuilt the keel. For the last 2 years or so I have been wondering how it was doing, and ...if I ever had to effect a repair or switch, how I could do it without utilizing a crane or hoist. There is no way that I can see as there is no access into the keel trunk to be able to get to the pendant's shackle. I love my boat, but this particular issue bothers me and I wish it was a little different. Seems that some kind of access hatch to allow you to get to the pendant and shackle would be a good deal. I would like to be able to blame the pendant breaking on a design or wear issue, but unfortunately, it was all me. I have been aware from the beginning not to over crank the keel winch and have always paid close attention. This time I was distracted and cranked her right to the limit, stretched, and broke the cable. This is exactly the reason why , at work, when we are performing any type of technical rescue, we never use power winches. We do use mechanical advantage systems, sometimes quite elaborate ones, in fact. However, the power input to them always comes from just plain manpower. That way there is tactile feedback indicating if if a system is binding or becoming overloaded. Additionally, the mechanical advantage systems are built with attachments such as prussik knots which will start to show slippage and indicate overloading before catastrophically failing. The wire/winch system does not leave much room for error or tactile feel, there is no visual indicator, and I was a bull in the china shop....UGH! I had tried marking the wire with a tape mark, sharpie, etc, but all either faded away or became unreliable as the wire stretched over the years. In the end, it was my hurried and distracted disposition that caused the ugly event. By next week I should know for sure where I stand. I'm feeling pretty confident right now that everything is OK, but won't know for sure till we look from below. I think I see a crane and at a minimum a new stop pin in my future. I think I'll just go to Duckworks.com tonight and order some bronze rod. Got to go to work for a couple of days. It'll give me some time to think about different options. Hopefully by next week it'll be resolved and I can move on to more "fun" projects. S

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Tow vehicle
by saltm17＠aol.com 24 May '10

24 May '10

Just got back from a month in Hawaii and waded through the 300+ messagesin my inbox! It's been some time sincethe talk on towing vehicles but here is my take on the subject. When I bought Miss T in 1985 I towed her with a 1976 ToyotaSR5 pickup. That truck did an amazingjob, easily pulling Miss T across Montana,but I was worried about how well it could stop that rig in a panic situation. Luckily I never had the chance to find out,but the concern lead me to ask Jerry Montgomery what he recommended. At that time Jerry was delivering his newboats across the country and was using a Ford F150 with the 300 cubic inch,in-line six cylinder engine. I found aused one in 1986 and have driving it ever since. Old Blue is a gas guzzler to be sure but it pulledme and Miss T for over 60,000 miles all across the country including a fewcrossings of the western mountains. I have had two panic stops with Old Blue both due to someonecutting in front of me and then having to stand on the brakes. Both times I was able to stop in time but theincidents left me debating adding surge brakes to the trailer. That little extra braking power would havehelped. As of now I haven't added thembut the mental debate continues. However Old Blue has also had three rebuilt engines put inher, the last one a year ago. Now I'mconcerned that if we get above 60 mph I'll be arrested for littering; it's timefor a change. I'm looking at three trucks: Ford F150, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Ram. The first two have a high rating in Consumerreports based upon fewer repairs needed compared to other trucks, The Dodge Ram is included because it is alsoConsumer Report recommended for it's pulling ratings. Which one I get willdepend which has the best deal but I have one requirement: AirConditioning!. I bought Old Blue in Montana and didn't thinkI would mind not having AC since I had no plans to leave that state. Fuzzy Thinking! Most times keeping the window open is cooling enough but when I was trailering MissT from San CarlosMexico to Tucson, the temperature was 113, and while Ihad to keep the window open a bit, a 113 degree blast of 50 mph wind was like ablast furnace. When I got to TucsonI was more like an over cooked linguini than a human. I sat on the AC in the motel room for quitesome time until I finally started to cool down. One other observation, this time about rebuilt motors. After a total of 105,000 miles over all and 3rebuilt engines I've come to the conclusion that the company thinking behindthem is that whoever put a rebuilt engine in a vehicle will soon sell it. sothere isn't any great need to put a lot of time into building a longlasting engine. They did give me 5 years and 70,000 miles onthe rebuilt engine and made good on the warranty when the engine(s) died, buttwo engines later - and still within that warranty, I put in my last rebuiltengine. John Edwards Miss T M17 372

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tow vehicle
by sarah steffensen 22 May '10

22 May '10

the problem with pick ups etc... as tow vehicles is that they are truly awful to drive most of the time. i suggest a saab 9-3, 99-03 addition. they have an impressive 3500lb tow weight. i picked up my montgomery 17 in California and drove home to Oregon through the mountains without a problem and have driven it around the state a few times. i got around 20 mpg while towing! i get around 24-29 in mixed driving depending on the mix. the 200hp turbo charged car is a joy to drive and will get you through snow and rough roads. i am always amazed how much gear fits inside this hatchback car. watch out for "gunker" engines, a problem with some of these cars. these are also very safe cars to drive. i also always have the surge break argument rolling around in my head, but the few quick stops i have had worked out o.k. one, of course, also needs a mechanic who knows what they are doing nearby. we have many choices in western oregon. just because you have to sometimes tow a boat doesn't mean you have to drive a boring car around.

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