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M-15 Wet Inner Hull
by Chee Pang Chua 10 May '10

10 May '10

Hi Doug, The boat is located at TwinCities, MN. Can someone tell me how to reply thru the same thread, instead of starting a new thread ? Thanks. Chee Pang Doug Kelch doug_kelch at yahoo.com Mon May 10 09:57:09 MDT 2010 * Previous message: M_Boats: M-15 Wet Inner Hull * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Where are you located? There is one Montgomery boat that was not built to the same standards as the other boats (a one off builder). The last I saw of it was in the lower Chesapeake Bay area. The lack of a number on the transom makes me suspicious. Thanks Doug Kelch ________________________________ From: Chee Pang Chua <cheepangchua at gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats at mailman.xmission.com Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 8:51:27 AM Subject: M_Boats: M-15 Wet Inner Hull Hello Robbin, There is no puddle of water or standing water, it is just damp and moist inside the forward hull. I would like to make sure there is no leaking, or any major issue water on the boat, before I purchase it. The cushions are dry. Furthermore, the forward vertical wall (wall between locker and forward hull) for both the port side and startboard side cabin lockers are soft. The gel coat is crack, and I can see light through the soften plywood wall (I can see light through the wall between forward hull access opening and the port or starboard cabin lockers). The cabin locker forward wall may need to be remove and re-build. Does anyone have this type of issue on M-15 ? Does anyone rebuild the locker forward walls before ? Any advise will be greatly appreciated. I did checked the starboard side of the transom on exterior yesterday, but I was not able to locate the HIN. I may need to make another trip to see the boat again this evening, about one and half hour drive from my house. Any advise or recommendation to inspect this used M-15 before 5 pm CST today would be appreciated. Thanks. Chee Pang Hi Chee, I don't think there should be any moisture inside the hull. Unless you are describing condensation of some sort. Without leaks there should normally not be water in the hull area anywhere. Was there a puddle of water or standing water? Are the cushions wet? If the boat has not been recently sailed the water has to be leaking through the deck I would think and there may be tell tale streaks showing where it has been leaking. The Hull ID should be on the starboard side of the transom (right side of the back of the boat) on the exterior. Hope this helps, Robbin Chee Pang Chua wrote: > Hello, > > I am tried to buy a used M-15 from a local seller. > When I inspected the inner hull, from the cabin front hull access opening, I > found the front inner hull area > is wet. According to the owner, the boat was last sail 4 years ago. > Is the front inner hull damp condition normal ? or there are some leaking ? > > Also, can someone tell me where is the M-15 HIN located ? > Owner and I searched the entire hull, and not able to locate it. > > Thanks a lot. > > Chee Pang > __________

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M-15 Wet Inner Hull
by Chee Pang Chua 10 May '10

10 May '10

Hello Robbin, There is no puddle of water or standing water, it is just damp and moist inside the forward hull. I would like to make sure there is no leaking, or any major issue water on the boat, before I purchase it. The cushions are dry. Furthermore, the forward vertical wall (wall between locker and forward hull) for both the port side and startboard side cabin lockers are soft. The gel coat is crack, and I can see light through the soften plywood wall (I can see light through the wall between forward hull access opening and the port or starboard cabin lockers). The cabin locker forward wall may need to be remove and re-build. Does anyone have this type of issue on M-15 ? Does anyone rebuild the locker forward walls before ? Any advise will be greatly appreciated. I did checked the starboard side of the transom on exterior yesterday, but I was not able to locate the HIN. I may need to make another trip to see the boat again this evening, about one and half hour drive from my house. Any advise or recommendation to inspect this used M-15 before 5 pm CST today would be appreciated. Thanks. Chee Pang Hi Chee, I don't think there should be any moisture inside the hull. Unless you are describing condensation of some sort. Without leaks there should normally not be water in the hull area anywhere. Was there a puddle of water or standing water? Are the cushions wet? If the boat has not been recently sailed the water has to be leaking through the deck I would think and there may be tell tale streaks showing where it has been leaking. The Hull ID should be on the starboard side of the transom (right side of the back of the boat) on the exterior. Hope this helps, Robbin Chee Pang Chua wrote: > Hello, > > I am tried to buy a used M-15 from a local seller. > When I inspected the inner hull, from the cabin front hull access opening, I > found the front inner hull area > is wet. According to the owner, the boat was last sail 4 years ago. > Is the front inner hull damp condition normal ? or there are some leaking ? > > Also, can someone tell me where is the M-15 HIN located ? > Owner and I searched the entire hull, and not able to locate it. > > Thanks a lot. > > Chee Pang > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >

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double reef with storm jib
by flickasf＠aol.com 10 May '10

10 May '10

I have sailed a M15 with a double reef and storm jib in 30 knots. She handles it well. I highly recommend a second reef in the main and a storm jib. Bert Felton

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M-15 Side-stay chain plates
by Patti Raymond 10 May '10

10 May '10

I guess this is what you'de call them. Mine where loose so I tried tightening them and of course the 30 yr old bolt spapped like a brittle bone,,,no sweat I'll just slide the bolt out and replace....wrong...the backing bar? is aluminum, the bolts SS and the bars are threaded and the bolts are not going to come out...can I drill out the old bolts and just thru bolt back together or is the threading essential for strength...can I just toss the old backer and use a flat SS backing-plate...or are these a common item I can purchase at my daily sojourn to West Marine? Clear as mud....Greg Adams....#151

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oops..bad link...here you go!
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 10 May '10

10 May '10

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iS85GKYBUI_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iS85GKYBUI)

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Catalina Island Video
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 10 May '10

10 May '10

Due to some new software I was able to load a video up to youtube that I previously was not able to. It is from our '08 trip to Catalina with the Socal Potters. Part 1 is uploaded and ready to be viewed and part 2 is uploading as I type this. I had this video up on "tinypics" but the quality was poor and no sound. All the video was taken with a pocket still camera in the video mode. When you consider that, it came out pretty good. There are some great dolphin (yes, I know now that they are not porpoises!) shots as we approach the island. Unfortunately, there was no sailing done on the trip. The only place there was a breeze was right at the island itself...literally. Twice while sitting moored to the stringline we cast off and hoisted sail, excited that the wind had picked up, but as soon as we got 300-400 yards away from the isthmus the wind would just quite. Nevertheless, it was a really fun trip. My buddy Gary accompanied me and then 'Jo came over on the Catalina Express (for which she took a lot of ribbing) and joined us. The Socal Potters make this trip each June. Catalina is a real jewel. Two Harbors will make you feel like you've landed on a tropical isle...Gilligan's Island style. I can't wait to go back. Here's the link: _http://data.sailboatowners.com/photos/1273163972.jpg_ (http://data.sailboatowners.com/photos/1273163972.jpg) You'll be able to link from part 1 to part 2 as soon as part 2 is done uploading. Sean, Jo, and yes...Bosun

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Side-stay chain plates
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 09 May '10

09 May '10

Greg, Congratulations on the success of your repair. Sometimes we get lucky. Good luck tomorrow on your single handing adventure. Let us know how it goes. sal In a message dated 5/8/2010 8:28:35 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, pattiraymond(a)sbcglobal.net writes: Well I got my chain plate fixed...I don't think it was tapped after all; just thru bolted and corroded together...used the old back-bar and drilled new holes...much ado about nothing I'm afraid...a tempest in a teapot...I think i'll try to single -hand the whole operation tomorrow off Coronado...launch her, sail her, retreive her...wish me luck...cheerio...and thanks for all the input...Greg ________________________________ From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 5:19:38 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Side-stay chain plates So buy some round bar stock & make new ones. Sent from my iPhone :-) On May 4, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Patti Raymond <pattiraymond(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I guess this is what you'de call them. Mine where loose so I tried tightening them and of course the 30 yr old bolt spapped like a brittle bone,,,no sweat I'll just slide the bolt out and replace....wrong...the backing bar? is aluminum, the bolts SS and the bars are threaded and the bolts are not going to come out...can I drill out the old bolts and just thru bolt back together or is the threading essential for strength...can I just toss the old backer and use a flat SS backing-plate...or are these a common item I can purchase at my daily sojourn to West Marine? Clear as mud....Greg Adams....#151 > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: One reef or two reefs
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 May '10

07 May '10

Hi Andrei, We opted for both the storm jib and two reefs in the main for our M15. The theory is; better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. EP did a great job on the sails. sal M15 - "Justus" - 1986 - #361 M23 - #2 - being built In a message dated 5/5/2010 10:35:38 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, andreic(a)math.wisc.edu writes: I am thinking about ordering a new main sail from EP for my M-17, and I was wondering if I should go with one set of reef points or two. The difference is about $90 (the total cost is about $700). I plan on sailing often on bigger water (Lake Superior, Lake Michigan), so I thought the ability to reef more would be useful. On the other hand the smallest foresail I have is a 100% jib, so maybe getting a smaller one should be my first priority... Opinions? Thanks, Andrei. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Side Stay Chain Plates
by jro6238104＠aol.com 06 May '10

06 May '10

Patti, a couple of suggestions 1 - Try the factory. http://www.montgomeryboats.com/ or (949)489-8227. They should be able to supply new parts. If your boat is 30 years old I would recommend replacing the chain plate as well as the backing bar. The design may have changed over the years and a new bar may not fit the old plate, and a 30 year old chainplate may have issues as well. 2 - Try a machine shop. Any competent machine shop can make you a new backing plate from stainless rod stock. Pick the screws you want to use so they know what thread to cut and take both the chainplate and the old backing plate for a pattern. I would not recommend atempting to repair the old part unless you have a better than average home shop and machinist skills. Drilling a stainless bolt out of an aluminum plate will be difficult unles you have a drill press and vise. The drill will slide off the stainless steel and butcher the softer aluminum. If you can't get a new part made, I'd recommend getting some aluminum or bronze rod stock in the appropriate diameter, through drilling and installing longer bolts with locking nuts. If you do try to make your own, http://www.metaldepot.com/home/ or http://www.metalsdepot.com/ are good sources if you can't find what you need locally. Good Luck, John Roland sv. Wokini M-15 # 194 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Patti Raymond <pattiraymond(a)sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M-15 Side-stay chain plates Message-ID: <250023.73051.qm(a)web180305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I guess this is what you'de call them. Mine where loose so I tried tightening them and of course the 30 yr old bolt spapped like a brittle bone,,,no sweat I'll just slide the bolt out and replace....wrong...the backing bar? is aluminum, the bolts SS and the bars are threaded and the bolts are not going to come out...can I drill out the old bolts and just thru bolt back together or is the threading essential for strength...can I just toss the old backer and use a flat SS backing-plate...or are these a common item I can purchase at my daily sojourn to West Marine? Clear as mud....Greg Adams....#151 ------------------------------

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Side-stay chain plates
by Patti Raymond 06 May '10

06 May '10

Thank you for the input Gila and Gary...I'm not of a mind to tap the back-bar so I think I'll just use the old bar...rotate it 90 degrees and re-drill for a thru-bolt...probably flatten the area around the nut and washer and double the nut up...there was already a nut and washer to snag my fingers on the original application so no big deal...again thank you....Greg ________________________________ From: "GILASAILR(a)aol.com" <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:32:10 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Side-stay chain plates Greg - Yes and No, they need to be threaded (tapped) OR you need to have nuts on the backside of the aluminum bar stock and longer bolts with flat washers - be sure to use an anti-corrosive such as Lanocote (Forespar) on the aluminum and SS fasteners. Butter 'em up. Quality fasteners are in order. You could use SS bar stock but that would be 'fun' to drill and tap - Bronze would also work here. GO In a message dated 5/4/2010 8:50:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, pattiraymond(a)sbcglobal.net writes: So do they need to be threaded? ________________________________ From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 5:19:38 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Side-stay chain plates So buy some round bar stock & make new ones. Sent from my iPhone :-) On May 4, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Patti Raymond <pattiraymond(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I guess this is what you'de call them. Mine where loose so I tried tightening them and of course the 30 yr old bolt spapped like a brittle bone,,,no sweat I'll just slide the bolt out and replace....wrong...the backing bar? is aluminum, the bolts SS and the bars are threaded and the bolts are not going to come out...can I drill out the old bolts and just thru bolt back together or is the threading essential for strength...can I just toss the old backer and use a flat SS backing-plate...or are these a common item I can purchase at my daily sojourn to West Marine? Clear as mud....Greg Adams....#151 > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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