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Check out Montgomery-12, Sail Boat
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 15 May '10

15 May '10

_Click here: Montgomery-12, Sail Boat_ (http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/boa/1718645683.html) Found on Craigslist - somebody is looking for this boat. I can drive by if someone from out of town is serious. GO.

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Re: M_Boats: Check out Montgomery-12, Sail Boat
by bownez＠juno.com 15 May '10

15 May '10

Gary, I wish it was closer, I'd love to own it for the city lakes. Anybody driving this way?? Bones in Mpls ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4bee9c9d680b3514b12st01vuc

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double or single reef
by Richard Cottrell 13 May '10

13 May '10

Hello fellow M15 sailors, When I bought "Really" in '96, I purchased a new 4.5 ounce main with double reefs from Hogin Sails in Alameda. I sailed out of Port of Redwood City on So. SF bay. I never hesitated putting in the first reef and never found it necessary to put in a second one. Often, I was too lazy to shake out the reef when it really wasn't needed. I eventually decided to purchase a Lapper and a storm jib. Since then, I found "Really" sails better with less jib and no reef, except when necessary. Several years ago I purchased two new mains. One, 4.5 ounce, with one deep reef for heavy winds and a 3.5 ounce with no reef for lighter winds. I'm pleased with this setup. The reasons are: 1) Two reefs cost more. 2) Two reef points with ties disturb the air flow. 3) I feel too much jib is more of problem than too much main, most of the time. 4) I like to hike out during gusts, which I think is very effective. 5) I now reef only when it's really necessary. I now sail Lake Don Pedro, Lake Tahoe and Trinity Lakes. I love my choice of sails, which include two mains, 144sf gennaker, 144sf spinnaker, 150% drifter, standard jib, Lapper, storm jib, and the 15sf stormy, storm jib, which came with the boat. If you plan to sail an M15 in 30 knot winds on San Francisco Bay, I recommend two reefs and a Bible. Rich Cottrell M15, Menlo Park "Really"

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Re: M_Boats: NFIW but I had to forward this to the group
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 13 May '10

13 May '10

I do not think you can get paint to stick to the material, check with "PaintBoy" Stan Susman at InterLux. The material comes in various colors (brown included) but I do not know if they are making them in that color. I believe the new model 17's may be able to use the five loop model - this will depend upon the original mounting hole location. The 'early model' 17's had 5 loop rails that should span approximately the same space as two two's the way they appear to be mounted. TakeCare.Have Fun,Go Sailing! GO In a message dated 5/12/2010 1:22:44 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, seagray(a)embarqmail.com writes: Can the startboard be painted? If so with what kind of paint. I also notice that the handrails only come in single or four loop handles. Since the M17 uses the two loop handles.....??? ----- Original Message ----- From: GILASAILR(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:39 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: NFIW but I had to forward this to the group Mr Haudsley, The plastic rails can be mounted the same way the original ones were. I have commonly seen the rails mounted with machine screws thru-bolted at the ends and a wood screw at the intermediate bases alternating with machine screws every other loop. Handrails should never be installed with wood screws from the bottom up - as they would not be secure and up to the task. Yes, it is true - plastic will not look as good as teak with ten coats of varnish - but some of us live in areas that are not 'wood friendly' - I have a bright finished strip canoe - it lives indoors- that is okay for varnish here in AZ. My 17 does not stay indoors, and even under cover, the heat, lack of humidity and sun chews up wood and finishes. I am going for plastic -for my location and 'lifestyle' it looks like a good alternative. If you have seen my boat it would be apparent I am not concerned with the "looks" part of wood trim - not getting paid to maintain my own wood trim - rather sail! I have replaced my railwood and hatch slides with Starboard HDPE and these would match. Price is right too. (just got my wholesale pricing from H&L Marine Woodwork - YEOOW on the price of teak!) Hey- it's case of 'different strokes for different folks' LOL GO PS -the teak out here turns silver and the heartwood vaporizes! In a message dated 5/12/2010 5:56:45 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, haudsley(a)tranquility.net writes: How are those installed? Machine screw or wood screw from below? The teak rails on the M17 were installed with machine screws......from the top down. Head was countersunk from above and covered with a teak plug. Inside, a flat washer and nut. That is not going to pull off without breaking the handrail or taking a chunk of cabin with it. Can these be mounted as strong? No complaint on the maintenance.......they won't look as good as 10 coats of varnish on teak, but unless maintained, two years later those don't look so hot either. Nor does green, mouldy teak. On May 12, 2010, at 12:09 AM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > > > > > > I know it is commercial but these are exactly what some of us 'tree > huggin > low maint.' types are looking for!!GO > > > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/) > Dear Gary, > > For years we've asked our vendors to produce low maintenance handrails > that are a match to Catalina's original teak. Until now, no amount of > coaxing, > cajoling, or begging got results. > Guess what? The current economic conditions have convinced our vendors > they should get off their duff and try something new! > Teak handrails are the most labor intensive part on your boat to > maintain. > If you'd like to spend more time sailing and less time on maintenance, > install a set of our new StarBoard handrails. We now have a selection > of the > most popular sizes in stock. > They are manufactured from high quality StarBoard Marine Plastic. It > is a > UV stabilized high density polyethylene, so it won't degrade in the > sun. > This is the same product Catalina Yachts uses on all of their new > boats in > place of teak. Just swab them clean as you scrub down your deck and > you're > done! > Features: > * Zero maintenance for more sailing and less work > * They are highly UV resistant. They wont fade, discolor, or > deteriorate. > * Made from beefy 1" stock. > * Same footprint as the original teak handrails for ease of > installation. > * Same shape and look as your original teak handrails for > original > equipment look. > * Color matched to other plastic replacement parts supplied by > Catalina Direct. > * Longer life and far less maintenance for the same price as > teak. > > Available in five popular sizes: > * Single loop - 13" long > * Four loop - 43" long > * Five loop - 53" long > * Seven loop - 73" long > Click on the appropriate photo. You'll be taken to the appropriate > page of > our web site for more detailed information. > > Fair Winds! > > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1924) _Single loop > _ > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1924) > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1925) _Four loop handrail > _ > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1925) > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1955) _Five loop handrail_ > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1955) > > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1925) > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1927) _Seven loop _ > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1927) _handrail_ > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1927) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: NFIW but I had to forward this to the group
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 13 May '10

13 May '10

You are right. We still used to open the blisters and let them dry out for 6 months - good news is the relative humidity here is frequently less than that of 'kiln-dried' lumber! I thought of stainless steel but they are hot/cold/slippery to boot. Take Care,Have Fun,Go Sailing! GO In a message dated 5/12/2010 8:57:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, haudsley(a)tranquility.net writes: I suspected as much on your motivation for a low maintenance option. The desert sun and heat would do a number on a varnish job in short order. I was just curious how they would be fastened. A long stainless machine screw with the head exposed and countersunk below the surface would be strong enough and would look fine. I suppose a dab of sealant under the screw head would seal it? I also recall that once upon a time there was a stainless rail option being offered. But in that heat, I'd rather grab white plastic than metal. On the desert heat, I've also heard that is a great place to take a boat that has a "pox" problem to dry it out. Park it in the sun for a summer and open up the blisters and most of the moisture will dry up. On May 12, 2010, at 10:39 AM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > Mr Haudsley, > > The plastic rails can be mounted the same way the original ones were. I > have commonly seen the rails mounted with machine screws thru-bolted > at the > ends and a wood screw at the intermediate bases alternating with > machine > screws every other loop. Handrails should never be installed with > wood screws > from the bottom up - as they would not be secure and up to the task. > > Yes, it is true - plastic will not look as good as teak with ten coats > of > varnish - but some of us live in areas that are not 'wood friendly' - > I have > a bright finished strip canoe - it lives indoors- that is okay for > varnish > here in AZ. My 17 does not stay indoors, and even under cover, the > heat, > lack of humidity and sun chews up wood and finishes. > > I am going for plastic -for my location and 'lifestyle' it looks like a > good alternative. If you have seen my boat it would be apparent I am > not > concerned with the "looks" part of wood trim - not getting paid to > maintain my > own wood trim - rather sail! I have replaced my railwood and hatch > slides > with Starboard HDPE and these would match. Price is right too. (just > got my > wholesale pricing from H&L Marine Woodwork - YEOOW on the price of > teak!) > > Hey- it's case of 'different strokes for different folks' LOL > > GO > PS -the teak out here turns silver and the heartwood vaporizes! > > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2010 5:56:45 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > haudsley(a)tranquility.net writes: > > How are those installed? Machine screw or wood screw from below? > > The teak rails on the M17 were installed with machine screws......from > the top down. Head was countersunk from above and covered with a teak > plug. Inside, a flat washer and nut. That is not going to pull off > without breaking the handrail or taking a chunk of cabin with it. > > Can these be mounted as strong? No complaint on the > maintenance.......they won't look as good as 10 coats of varnish on > teak, but unless maintained, two years later those don't look so hot > either. Nor does green, mouldy teak. > > > > > On May 12, 2010, at 12:09 AM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> I know it is commercial but these are exactly what some of us 'tree >> huggin >> low maint.' types are looking for!!GO >> >> >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/) >> Dear Gary, >> >> For years we've asked our vendors to produce low maintenance >> handrails >> that are a match to Catalina's original teak. Until now, no amount >> of >> coaxing, >> cajoling, or begging got results. >> Guess what? The current economic conditions have convinced our >> vendors >> they should get off their duff and try something new! >> Teak handrails are the most labor intensive part on your boat to >> maintain. >> If you'd like to spend more time sailing and less time on >> maintenance, >> install a set of our new StarBoard handrails. We now have a >> selection >> of the >> most popular sizes in stock. >> They are manufactured from high quality StarBoard Marine Plastic. It >> is a >> UV stabilized high density polyethylene, so it won't degrade in the >> sun. >> This is the same product Catalina Yachts uses on all of their new >> boats in >> place of teak. Just swab them clean as you scrub down your deck and >> you're >> done! >> Features: >> * Zero maintenance for more sailing and less work >> * They are highly UV resistant. They wont fade, discolor, or >> deteriorate. >> * Made from beefy 1" stock. >> * Same footprint as the original teak handrails for ease of >> installation. >> * Same shape and look as your original teak handrails for >> original >> equipment look. >> * Color matched to other plastic replacement parts supplied by >> Catalina Direct. >> * Longer life and far less maintenance for the same price as >> teak. >> >> Available in five popular sizes: >> * Single loop - 13" long >> * Four loop - 43" long >> * Five loop - 53" long >> * Seven loop - 73" long >> Click on the appropriate photo. You'll be taken to the appropriate >> page of >> our web site for more detailed information. >> >> Fair Winds! >> >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? >> fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1924) _Single loop >> _ >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? >> fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1924) >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? >> fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1925) _Four loop handrail >> _ >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? >> fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1925) >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? >> fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1955) _Five loop handrail_ >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? >> fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1955) >> >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? >> fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1925) >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? >> fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1927) _Seven loop _ >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? >> fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1927) _handrail_ >> (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? >> fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1927) >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: NFIW but I had to forward this to the group
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 12 May '10

12 May '10

Mr Haudsley, The plastic rails can be mounted the same way the original ones were. I have commonly seen the rails mounted with machine screws thru-bolted at the ends and a wood screw at the intermediate bases alternating with machine screws every other loop. Handrails should never be installed with wood screws from the bottom up - as they would not be secure and up to the task. Yes, it is true - plastic will not look as good as teak with ten coats of varnish - but some of us live in areas that are not 'wood friendly' - I have a bright finished strip canoe - it lives indoors- that is okay for varnish here in AZ. My 17 does not stay indoors, and even under cover, the heat, lack of humidity and sun chews up wood and finishes. I am going for plastic -for my location and 'lifestyle' it looks like a good alternative. If you have seen my boat it would be apparent I am not concerned with the "looks" part of wood trim - not getting paid to maintain my own wood trim - rather sail! I have replaced my railwood and hatch slides with Starboard HDPE and these would match. Price is right too. (just got my wholesale pricing from H&L Marine Woodwork - YEOOW on the price of teak!) Hey- it's case of 'different strokes for different folks' LOL GO PS -the teak out here turns silver and the heartwood vaporizes! In a message dated 5/12/2010 5:56:45 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, haudsley(a)tranquility.net writes: How are those installed? Machine screw or wood screw from below? The teak rails on the M17 were installed with machine screws......from the top down. Head was countersunk from above and covered with a teak plug. Inside, a flat washer and nut. That is not going to pull off without breaking the handrail or taking a chunk of cabin with it. Can these be mounted as strong? No complaint on the maintenance.......they won't look as good as 10 coats of varnish on teak, but unless maintained, two years later those don't look so hot either. Nor does green, mouldy teak. On May 12, 2010, at 12:09 AM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > > > > > > I know it is commercial but these are exactly what some of us 'tree > huggin > low maint.' types are looking for!!GO > > > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/) > Dear Gary, > > For years we've asked our vendors to produce low maintenance handrails > that are a match to Catalina's original teak. Until now, no amount of > coaxing, > cajoling, or begging got results. > Guess what? The current economic conditions have convinced our vendors > they should get off their duff and try something new! > Teak handrails are the most labor intensive part on your boat to > maintain. > If you'd like to spend more time sailing and less time on maintenance, > install a set of our new StarBoard handrails. We now have a selection > of the > most popular sizes in stock. > They are manufactured from high quality StarBoard Marine Plastic. It > is a > UV stabilized high density polyethylene, so it won't degrade in the > sun. > This is the same product Catalina Yachts uses on all of their new > boats in > place of teak. Just swab them clean as you scrub down your deck and > you're > done! > Features: > * Zero maintenance for more sailing and less work > * They are highly UV resistant. They wont fade, discolor, or > deteriorate. > * Made from beefy 1" stock. > * Same footprint as the original teak handrails for ease of > installation. > * Same shape and look as your original teak handrails for > original > equipment look. > * Color matched to other plastic replacement parts supplied by > Catalina Direct. > * Longer life and far less maintenance for the same price as > teak. > > Available in five popular sizes: > * Single loop - 13" long > * Four loop - 43" long > * Five loop - 53" long > * Seven loop - 73" long > Click on the appropriate photo. You'll be taken to the appropriate > page of > our web site for more detailed information. > > Fair Winds! > > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1924) _Single loop > _ > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1924) > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1925) _Four loop handrail > _ > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1925) > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1955) _Five loop handrail_ > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1955) > > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1925) > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1927) _Seven loop _ > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1927) _handrail_ > (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=1927) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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NFIW but I had to forward this to the group
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 12 May '10

12 May '10

I know it is commercial but these are exactly what some of us 'tree huggin low maint.' types are looking for!!GO (http://www.catalinadirect.com/) Dear Gary, For years we've asked our vendors to produce low maintenance handrails that are a match to Catalina's original teak. Until now, no amount of coaxing, cajoling, or begging got results. Guess what? The current economic conditions have convinced our vendors they should get off their duff and try something new! Teak handrails are the most labor intensive part on your boat to maintain. If you'd like to spend more time sailing and less time on maintenance, install a set of our new StarBoard handrails. We now have a selection of the most popular sizes in stock. They are manufactured from high quality StarBoard Marine Plastic. It is a UV stabilized high density polyethylene, so it won't degrade in the sun. This is the same product Catalina Yachts uses on all of their new boats in place of teak. Just swab them clean as you scrub down your deck and you're done! Features: * Zero maintenance for more sailing and less work * They are highly UV resistant. They wont fade, discolor, or deteriorate. * Made from beefy 1" stock. * Same footprint as the original teak handrails for ease of installation. * Same shape and look as your original teak handrails for original equipment look. * Color matched to other plastic replacement parts supplied by Catalina Direct. * Longer life and far less maintenance for the same price as teak. Available in five popular sizes: * Single loop - 13" long * Four loop - 43" long * Five loop - 53" long * Seven loop - 73" long Click on the appropriate photo. You'll be taken to the appropriate page of our web site for more detailed information. Fair Winds! (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_…) _Single loop _ (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_…) (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_…) _Four loop handrail _ (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_…) (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_…) _Five loop handrail_ (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_…) (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_…) (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_…) _Seven loop _ (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_…) _handrail_ (http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_…)

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Wet Inner Hull
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 12 May '10

12 May '10

Hi Chee, We have a M15 that we've recently purchased. The first time we really sailed the boat was at the Havasu pocket cruiser gathering that Sean Mulligan created. When we left Arizona, our boat was dry inside. We had to go through inspections and better dry. When we reached Colorado (February) there was a fair amount of snow. We parked the boat in the driveway, in the snow and she sat until last week. there was often snow on the deck. When I got into the boat last week, I noticed there was water in the inside the hull. While I don't think that rain would have entered the boat, at least not much, snow has a way of traveling while it's melting. MN does get a fair amount of snow and it is possible that if the boat was out in the snow, some could find it's way in. Just a thought to share. Let us know what you do. These Monty folks are a special group. sal M15 - "Justus" - 1986 - #361 M23 - #2 - being built In a message dated 5/9/2010 10:17:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cheepangchua(a)gmail.com writes: Hello, I am tried to buy a used M-15 from a local seller. When I inspected the inner hull, from the cabin front hull access opening, I found the front inner hull area is wet. According to the owner, the boat was last sail 4 years ago. Is the front inner hull damp condition normal ? or there are some leaking ? Also, can someone tell me where is the M-15 HIN located ? Owner and I searched the entire hull, and not able to locate it. Thanks a lot. Chee Pang _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Wet Inner Hull
by bownez＠juno.com 11 May '10

11 May '10

Hello Chee, I tried returning your call today but I may have gotten an incorrect number. Regarding the M15 you are considering: The hull number of the boat should be on the transom as everyone else has mentioned. I did look at an M23 that had such heavy paint on the transom that the number was impossible to read. Have you sounded the top deck for soft/wet spots?? Does the $4000 asking price include a motor and an operational trailer? Let us know, we want you as a Monty sailor. Later, Michael "Bones" Bowden Mpls ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4be8a4dedc715442e56st02vuc

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M-15 Wet Inner Hull
by Chee Pang Chua 10 May '10

10 May '10

Hello, I am tried to buy a used M-15 from a local seller. When I inspected the inner hull, from the cabin front hull access opening, I found the front inner hull area is wet. According to the owner, the boat was last sail 4 years ago. Is the front inner hull damp condition normal ? or there are some leaking ? Also, can someone tell me where is the M-15 HIN located ? Owner and I searched the entire hull, and not able to locate it. Thanks a lot. Chee Pang

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