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More sailing and Subaru towing report
by John Schinnerer 01 Oct '15

01 Oct '15

Hi again, Had Pajarita (M17 #38) in a temporary slip at Lake of the Woods, southern Oregon, last Wednesday through Sunday. Sailed her Wednesday, briefly Friday, longer sails Saturday and Sunday. Wed-Sat were medium to strong winds and gustiness, kept to the small jib and first reef in main Fri and Sat as some of the gusts were 15+ and from varying/unpredictable mountain lake directions. She does great in all conditions so far. Sunday was calm to light air, finally got to try the genoa, which seems huge in my experience, and moves her along amazingly well in feather-light breezes. Then it was time to haul out. My 2001 Outback wagon 2.5L 5-spd did just fine pulling her out of the water. It is a fairly gentle ramp, there are certainly steeper ones out there. But so far so good, it wasn't on the edge on the gentle ramp so there is some margin for steeper ones. And, because of the gentle ramp, getting her off the trailer was difficult without floating the car also. So before pulling out, I had fabricated an 18" (pin to pin) extension bar for my hitch. That gave me just enough more trailer in the water (without the car more in the water) to float her all but the last 2 ft. or so onto the trailer. I use the extension bar ONLY on the ramp - it's not suitable for towing. Ultimately I need the front of the trailer extended, ideally with a sliding extension. The tow home included ~12 miles of sometimes winding and sometimes steep downhill, secondary highway quality road. Engine braking and vehicle brakes were adequate for the task. I was going slower on the downhills for sure than I would without the trailer; other than that, no problems with the towing. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Splashed Pajarita today!
by John Schinnerer 30 Sep '15

30 Sep '15

Took my inaugural sail on Pajarita, my recently purchased '74 M17, today. My sailing pal Keith (Ranger 20 "Stoke" - yep, he's also a surfer) was along to help rig and test her out. What a sweet boat! Was at Lake of the Woods, in the highlands/mountains a bit east of Medford/Ashland area in southern Oregon. A mild and sunny late summer day with light to medium winds and an occasional fresh breeze, the latter pushing us up to near hull speed with the small jib and full main. Some interesting discoveries and other comments: Boat came with extra mainsheet type line and block rig for solo mast raising, and with mainsail and sheet/blocks already on boom with sail cover on. So I rigged it up as it was. Then I was wondering why in only a moderate breeze the main sheet took so much muscle to sheet in, didn't seem right compared to any other boat I've sailed. Took a closer look and noticed the block setup was only 3 turns. Took a second look at the alleged mast raising block/line and it is 4 turns, and less bulky to boot. I can only assume the former owner was sailing with the mast raising tackle, and had the mainsheet tackle in the mast raising gear bucket...! The main and jib halyards are nice color coded line - green halyard for main/stbd, red for jib/port - but they're in the opposite sheaves they should be at masthead! Not tangled...just need to be pulled and swapped port/stbd (they are even color coded, ). Worked around it by just cleating the halyards on the "wrong" sides for now. The boat sat with the CB line apparently wrapped quite tight around the CB winch for quite a while (boat was stored for ~1.5 years before I bought it). The line against the winch appears to have gotten compacted and smoothed and slips quite a bit while trying to raise the CB, even with 4 turns on the winch. This is exacerbated by use of a poorly placed and nearly too small jam cleat with too tight of fairlead to secure the CB line, and a rather flimsy plastic winch handle that is also too long to turn 360 deg. without hitting CB trunk, and a CB winch that doesn't seem to have the function of letting the handle ratchet back and forth as it turns the winch. The flex in the transom at the (nice stainless, adjustable, spring-loaded) motor mount with the Tohatsu 6hp SailPro is not IMO sustainable. Just sitting still with the motor raised, even, if the boat bounces in a little chop. Flex, flex, flex.... Not to mention actually motoring! There is a backing plate inside the hull, but a poorly done one. The flex/stress on the transom due to motor weight is more a concern for me than trim issues due to the weight. Also, at something less than half throttle I think we were pretty much at hull speed (with CB down no less). Cranking up the throttle led to stern settling and even more flex/stress on the mount/transom. So that motor seems like significant overkill for an M17. I could mount it direct in cutout but then there's the rudder/motor/prop interference issue. Just read a rave review of the motor as being more than adequate for a 3000 lb. boat sailing in the San Juans' current-laden waters. The boat came with the mahogany one piece rudder, the original I assume. What a long blade! I couldn't even put the rudder on at the dock, too shallow, even though plenty of depth for the keel with CB up. Anyone know what the draft is on the one-piece rudder? Anyhow I need to do something about that long fixed rudder, and whatever I do has to cost way less than the $600+ Ruddercraft and the like. Anyone have plans/diagrams/photos for a DIY kick-up conversion? All for now. Love the boat so far! She's in a short-term slip at the small marina and will see some more sailing Saturday, maybe Friday also, maybe even Sunday. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Fwd: Main Furling System
by George Iemmolo 29 Sep '15

29 Sep '15

George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 8:55 PM Subject: Main Furling System To: montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com, montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com Wrinkle Boat Mates In my attempt to reduce work during sailing due to advancing age (84) I am adding a Roller furl er for the Jib next season. In light of that I was thinking about a furling system for the Main. I did find that CDI has Main Systems for boats as small as 26'. Has anyone developed one for a M15 or M17. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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overcoming current and hull speed
by Dave Scobie 28 Sep '15

28 Sep '15

i'm writing this to assure it is part of the discussions about motor size for the M15, M17, M23, Sage 15 and Sage 17. these are all displacement hulls that have a hull speed (about 5.2kts for M15 and S15, 5.5kts for M17/S17, and 6.5 for the M23). the Montomery and Sage hull shapes are not planing type. you may get a little past hull speed but not get the boat on a plane with more horsepower (you will make a bigger wake as the boat tries to climb the bow wave). so, a larger horsepower motor will not allow you to overcome a current greater than hull speed. yes, with more horsepower you can overcome wind and get a little help overcoming waves ... but not against current as this is constrained by the boat's hull speed (unless you can get the boat on a plane). -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 151, Issue 39
by Klaas 27 Sep '15

27 Sep '15

1. Visiting Port Townsend in October (Wayne Martin) 2. Re: Visiting Port Townsend in October (Dave Scobie) 3. M-15 on Lake Calhoun (Rich Makela) 4. Re: Fwd: Main Furling System (Dave Scobie) 5. Re: overcoming current and hull speed (Dave Scobie) 6. Re: Fwd: Main Furling System (Jim Ellsworth) 7. Re: Fwd: Main Furling System (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:28:06 -0800 From: Wayne Martin <summit(a)mtaonline.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Visiting Port Townsend in October Message-ID: <5AA03121-E269-461C-8764-BC90B9664B21(a)mtaonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all. I own an M-15 (absolutely love it) and would really like to see what a 17 looks like on the inside. I live in Alaska and will be in Port Townsend WA on Sunday, October 18th. I am pretty sure there isn't a 17 footer in Alaska. Do any of you have an M-17 that lives near there that wouldn't mind a visit? (Better yet, I am pretty sure I want to get the bigger one, if there any for sale in the Pacific Northwest, I would love to hear about it. Missed out on Pajorita....) Thanks in advance, Wayne Martin M-15 #315 Wayne I just saw your message and sent you a craigslist from Bellingham Klaas Sent from Wayne's iPad ------------------------------

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Please remove me from the listserve.
by Doug 27 Sep '15

27 Sep '15

Hi, I've enjoyed the listserve for several yrs, but I would now like to be removed from the list. Thanks for all your time/patience maintaining the communication! Cheers Doug Henning

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M-15 on Lake Calhoun
by Rich Makela 26 Sep '15

26 Sep '15

While sailing on Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis today I noticed an M-15 on a buoy near the north wall with its mast down and in the water. I don't know the owner, but I'm hoping they might be on the email list. Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony

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Visiting Port Townsend in October
by Wayne Martin 26 Sep '15

26 Sep '15

Hello all. I own an M-15 (absolutely love it) and would really like to see what a 17 looks like on the inside. I live in Alaska and will be in Port Townsend WA on Sunday, October 18th. I am pretty sure there isn't a 17 footer in Alaska. Do any of you have an M-17 that lives near there that wouldn't mind a visit? (Better yet, I am pretty sure I want to get the bigger one, if there any for sale in the Pacific Northwest, I would love to hear about it. Missed out on Pajorita....) Thanks in advance, Wayne Martin M-15 #315 Sent from Wayne's iPad

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Fwd: 23rd Season Sail
by George Iemmolo 25 Sep '15

25 Sep '15

George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 7:17 PM Subject: 23rd Season Sail To: montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com, montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com 1st Fall sail today tried yesterday but no wind to speak of. Wind blowing from E veering to ENE and back. Went out with full Main and encountered 16-8 K of wind.gusting over 20 K Put in Reef and Boat came up and sailed flat. Wind fell to below 5-8 K did not take out Reef as wind kept gusting over 15 K Tacked up South Bay of Pine Lake. Had to make one Jibe when caught in Irons. Sailed back to Marina area Wing on Wing and Beam Reach. Able to sail into slip under full sail 3rd time this season:-). George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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Re: M_Boats: overcoming current and hull speed
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 25 Sep '15

25 Sep '15

In a message dated 9/25/2015 9:55:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: Also it's a 3000 lb. boat and he's happy with the 6hp...which tells me it's way more than I need for my ~1600 lb. boat.

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