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Where to store External OB Gas Tank?
by Bill Ruth 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

I have a 1977 M17. No wet locker. Where do I safely store/use my external gasoline tank for my OB? Bill Ruth

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M17 for sale - $1400
by Bowman, Jeremy 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

I wrote about Griselda about a week ago and haven't gotten a buyer yet. I've dropped the price: $1400. The outboard motor is not included. I need to sell quickly.

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Re: M_Boats: M17 motor requirements
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Tyler if you store ANY fuel on board - Please be sure the storage area is vented - we like you and want you to stay around for many years!! MSR bottles are the cats .... GO In a message dated 9/22/2015 12:15:43 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, casioqv(a)usermail.com writes: Connie, Did you ever have leaking issues with the 1 quart oil containers? I would be concerned that they aren't designed to hold high pressure, and if the bottle gets hot in the sun the vapor pressure would burst them, or push the cap off. I have been looking at using MSR 30 oz backpacking fuel bottles, which are designed to be high-pressure leakproof fuel containers- but they are quite expensive. I currently own one, but would like 4 or more for a long cruise. I do like the idea of small fuel containers that can fit in an M15 cockpit locker, so that they don't have any risk of leaking into the cabin. MSR fuel bottle link: http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/stoves/stove-accessories/msr-fuel-bottles/ product Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 12:07:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 motor requirements On 9/22/2015 12:38 PM, James Poulakis wrote: Jim, I had two solutions to refueling my 2 HP HONDA. -1 I used 1 quart oil containers. They are small; store easily; are easy to pour; and you have no spills when you are refilling the tank in fairly smooth water. -2 I had a spare remote fuel container. Use an outboard tank hose with a bulb pump in the middle. One end of the hose is in the fuel container; the other in the HONDA fuel tank. You squeeze the bulb, and can very nicely control fuel flow and fuel amount in the tank - i.e., no spillage. Connie

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M17 motor requirements
by Thomas Buzzi 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

I had a 4 hp ob on a boat about the size of the Monty 17 but lighter displacement and had several hair raising experiences with the rig in Florida trying to motor into Government Cut in Miami as well as the Hillsborough Inlet further up the coast. When the wind was on the nose and the waves were 3 feet or so, forward progress was about nil. That experience at Government Cut in Miami involved a draw bridge, rush hour traffic and my boat inching forward under the span. I could see the bridge operator glaring down at me with his hand on the button. I did clear the bridge. It was closing as my stern eased out from under its shadow. Then I wondered what I would do if my screaming ob decided to quit at that moment. Not good thoughts. Was under powered years later on Lake Travis outside of Austin, Tx. 25 knots on the nose funneled between high banks on each side. Better a little too much power than not quite enough. Tom B

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Towing report - Tongue weight
by John Schinnerer 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Hi all, Just did a quick 'n dirty tongue weight test on my rig, bathroom scale method. Looks like about 230-240 lbs tongue weight. A bit over the alleged 200 lb max rating for my vehicle but with the overload rear springs probably not an issue (hitch itself is rated to 350 lbs.). I could stash more stuff towards the rear of the boat when towing is what I get from this. Weight of the rig as a whole will be a while, need to see where there's a scale I can put it on in the area. I expect it's close to the 2000 lb rating for my vehicle...we'll see. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: M_Boats: Motor shaft length M17 /Alternator/Alternative
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

John, I have 180 degree opinion and experience from your position as stated - I would actually rather burn the alternator money as amusement and spend 100+/- on a quality solar panel and another 35$ on a good regulator - my battery is always at 13.4 - 13.8 V and 100% of charge until I load them with running lights at night - they VERY quickly recover to above stated values - battery is 5+ years old and panel over 15 (replacement is in garage). When I was in the boat business, (literally sold over 1000 OB motors) I had the manufacturer's reps tell me that an alternator was a waste of $ - I still sold many to folks that desired them and NOT ONE had anything positive to report regarding the alternator's ability to charge the battery at all. (a couple were wired with '0' g tinned 'Ancor' wire for low resistance - wire runs to Industry Standards) - No Bueno - No Charge! As Dave points out - few run the motor at high throttle for any period of time. They DO provide additional weight at the powerhead, additional wiring, and may even trick a person into believing they could use electric start on their motor.... At 10hp or larger it becomes somewhat viable IF you run motor at speed for long periods and diligently maintain the circuit/batteries in top condition. I would heartily recommend (free ADVICE FOLKS ! !) a quality solar panel proper regulator and well maintained and constructed circuitry as a sound simple charging system for boats of this size and beyond. Different strokes, Have Fun Go Sailing, GO In a message dated 9/18/2015 11:30:35 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: The Tohatsu web site shows the alternator as an option on the 5hp and 4hp. As far as I can tell it's the same exact motor, with reduced hp for the 5 and 4. Same castings and housing etc., but the alternator is not standard except on the sail pro 6hp model. If you can add it on for a reasonable cost it could be worth it. It will actually put some juice in your battery if you are motoring for a few hours here and there. In the same timeframe you will get nothing much from solar panels you can fit on a boat our size, unless you cover your topsides with amorphous thin-film photovoltaic material (theoretically possible these days, but doesn't work well as non-skid decking... :-). cheers, John S. On 09/18/2015 10:16 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > Hi John, > I have the standard 20" long shaft. I believe the "Sailpro" comes as a 6 hp > only. Also the alternator is available only on the 6. I believe I will > investigate solar for trickle charging. > Tom B. Monty 17 #258.1977 > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:42 AM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > >> The standard model (20" shaft) or the "sail pro" (25")? >> >> I have the 6 hp sail pro, which from the specs is the same engine as the >> 5hp and 4hp, just with less hp (same weight, same displacement engine, same >> gear ratio, etc.). >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> On 09/18/2015 09:16 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >> >>> Just bought a long shaft Tohatsu. The book that came with it states the >>> cavitation plate should be one inch below the bottom of the boat. Hope >>> that >>> works out with Jerry's designed ob cutout. >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him - >>>> >>>> I tooled the original M17's transom cutout for a 4HP (a 2-cycle Johnson) >>>> long shaft outboard. >>>> >>>> -- Jerry Montgomery >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 09/14/2015 10:24 AM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> The mount was a frequent response to the lack of room in the cutout for >>>>> >>>>>> the shifter/throttle/tiller arm and some motors did not have enof room >>>>>> >>>>> to >>>> >>>>> rotate for 'reverse' operation - I installed a tiny fixed mount at the >>>>>> same >>>>>> height as the cut-out and use a 20" 4hp Evinrude Yachtwin (no reverse) >>>>>> >>>>> - >>>> >>>>> luckily solved all problems and adds minimum weight. >>>>>> >>>>>> GO >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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New tohatsu 5 for my Monty 17
by Thomas Buzzi 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Hello All, I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel situation for this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station fuel to keep down the water absorption? I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto use here abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"

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Re: M_Boats: Motor shaft length M17 /Alternator/Alternative
by Thomas Buzzi 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

As this string has morphed into electronics I have a question about fully charged batteries. I have ProSport 6- 12 volt, 6 amp, battery charger from West Marine on my M17 which is charging a series 27 AGM Duel Purpose Battery also from West Marine. Both units were bought new. This set up, using oversized wire between the charger and battery will not charge the battery beyond 12.9 volts with no load. Anybody have any ideas about this? As always, thanks for your thoughts. fair winds, Tom B

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Remove from mailing list
by Irv Kooris 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

Please remove me from mailing list -- Irv Kooris Sent with Airmail

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Coleman fuel will ruin your outboard
by Dave Scobie 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

Some info from a web search - coleman fuel is a mixture of cyclohexane, nonane, octane, heptane, and pentane. Though Coleman fuel has an octane rating of 50 to 55 and a flammability similar to gasoline, it has none of the additives found in modern gasoline and cannot be used as a substitute for gasoline, kerosene or diesel fuel in modern engines. Its high combustion temperature and lack of octane boosting additives like tetraethyllead will destroy engine valves, and its low octane rating would produce knocking. :: Dave Scobie

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