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Re: M_Boats: Jerry...for and about the new 16.5
by Michael Ray Wisely 15 Aug '09

15 Aug '09

Jerry, I volunteer to be the SF Bay trials assistant.... It will be hard and rigorous, I know, but I'm a giver. Seriously...I'd love to be a part of it and not afraid of working. Many of the ideas are great. My Wendy loves the 17 we own and it's hard to find fault. But, Here are our list of preferences. Opening ports option Forward hatch. Flush to deck perfered (really like the ability to look out and/ or feel the breeze) Porta Pot placement slide out from under cockpit or focsil. (she said that a hatch privacy screen that comes standard would be of interest to women). Comes with mast raising system for single handers (currently not a problem for me, but I can see how it might be as I get older) That¹s about it... When will drawings be available? Michael Ray Molly M. M17 383 SF Bay

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Re: M_Boats: No Refrigeration
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 14 Aug '09

14 Aug '09

Hey Mark, Where were you guys hiding that puppy in the pictures??

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nissan outboards
by Arnold Sharpe 14 Aug '09

14 Aug '09

HELP, I have a 4hp Nissan OB on my M-17 "Little Breeze". The engine has both and internal fuel tank as well as provisions for an external tank. I recently added an external 3 gallon tank. I cannot figure out the correct position of the fuel cock on the port side of the engine when using the external tank. Nissan's manual is unclear....at least to me. I have run out of fuel in the internal tank twice now for lack of the correct position of the fuel cock.....not fun when you are docking. Any ideas out there...thanks. Arnold on M-17 "Little Breeze" on the river in Portland Oregon.

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Re: M_Boats: No Refrigeration
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

If it was located at the intersection of 123 and lawyers road it has been closed and replaced by a bank, I go by it a couple times a week and haven't seen it in years Gary Valetti M17

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New M-17 owner questions
by Jim Wiliams 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

Hello to everyone: We just made a deposit with Bob at Montgomery Boats for an M-17, and look forward to picking up the boat early this fall. We are full of questions, but particularly want to know what teak finishes and fiberglass waxes Montgomery owners in southern Arizona have found work well with outside storage and a good cover. Speaking of covers, do folks have designs they like in addition to the one shown on the website? Finally, what experience have have any of you had with hand-held and/or transom-mounted depth sounders? Looking forward to hearing back from anyone who can offer input. Thanks in advance, Jim Williams & Cynthia Gillette Green Valley, AZ

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Re: M_Boats: more market research and leaky ports
by eisenee＠aol.com 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

Yes, we knew racing wouldn't be a big thing for us and the traveler in the cockpit was a pain. The split backstay hardware has 2 holes in each side, I attached a short bridle to each side and connected them with the mainsheet sheet block. I use a bungee to keep it off the tiller down wind. Eldor Motu iti

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Replacing Main Halyard on M15 - line size?
by Sandra Anton 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

I had someone work on my boat and added a roller reefing jib and ran all lines back to the cockpit. I feel much safer on the boat when single handing which is most of the time. My main halyard is too short and I want to replace it. Right now I just tied another piece of rope to the end as an interim measure. Has anyone replaced theirs with an all rope main halyard? If so what size line will go through the block at the top of the mast? The one that came with the boat looks like 3/8". I bought Frank Durants "Finally". Havent renamed her yet though. I am doing this with the mast up so plan on using a messenger line through a small splice at the top of the new main halyard. My concern is I cant remember how big that block is at the top of the mast. I figure 60 feet of line will give me a 10 foout tail after the line goes through the cam cleat we installed on the cabin top for the main halyard. Sandy Barnegat Bay NJ

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more market research!
by jerry 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

More market research! The 16 project is well under way; the design has been sent off for approval, and as soon as I get it I'll start on the tooling. In the meantime, there are more things to be considered so that decisions can be made when appropriate. I don't mean to be a pest, but I'd like to lean on your valuable opinions for more market research. Basically what we have so far is a boat of 16'6" and a beam of 6.6', and a tall 7/8 rig. Closer to the 17 in size than it is the 15. We have worked out the sitting headroom below that seems to be the major criticism of the 15. I'm quite happy that the buyer of this design and I see eye-to- eye on pretty much everything (so far), and what we both want is a fast, seaworthy boat (actually, what I want is a fast, seaworthy boat, and what he wants is a seaworthy, fast boat) and that within reason cost is not a major consideration . In manufacturing, we plan to use more exotic materials and better engineering than anything else on the market. As many of you know I've made most of my living for the last 6 or 8 years designing and tooling what is probably the best line of racing kayaks and outrigger canoes in the world, and I've been forced to stay on the leading edge in using up-to-date materials and techniques, as well as design. Huki's (A Hawaiian word meaning GO ; jawsee Huki.com) most popular and successful surfski (offshore racing kayak) is 22' long and weighs under 20 lbs! They are raced inter-island in Hawaii, all over San Francisco Bay, around Catalina Isl, etc, and the boat is NOT the weak link when it comes to survival. They are totally capable of handling 10' and 12' waves with the correct paddler, which is not me ! I just realized that this really sounds like a marketing come-on , but it's really not and is more a reflection of my enthusiasm. Questions: The cabin, which fits in with the forward hatch. I have drawn the boat with a "Montgomery style" house similar to the existing 15 and 17. A problem is that there is not room for a "real" forward hatch unless we go to a trunk house type of cabin , with a traditional, more vertical forward panel. This will give us another 4 or 6" of cabin deck space in front of the mast, enough for a fwd hatch, without encroaching on the foredeck. How do you feel about this? Is the forward hatch worth a Hess style house? The only disadvantage of a trunk house is a bit more windage sailing upwind, which is drag. I can live with it and I wonder if some might prefer it. It also has a bit more headroom sitting on the head. Windows. What percentage of you would like the option of opening ports? All the ones I've seen on the market ( and I really haven't paid much attention for years) are pretty traditional and would go well with a trunk house. If we picked a good opening window we would probably design a non-opening port to go with it as standard equipment. In any case we would need to use two windows per side to leave the middle part of the sides of the house uncut, for strength. Any thoughts on this? Personally I'd opt for no fwd hatch, and use a dorade vent which works for me because of where I sail, but I realize that most of you do not sail in CA and Mexico. Also, the slap slap of anchoring stern-to doesn't really bother me when I sleep. I just pretend it's Mom's heartbeat. This is a subtle thing but an ongoing discussion is just where do we put the line on stability versus speed? I have always preferred the tall rig 17 to the normal one because it has a touch more speed. Yes, it has to reef or downshift the jib a bit earlier, but so what? If you sail in an area where it blows 20 regularly I would expect you to feel differently, but how many of us do? I would rather have a spirited boat in the light stuff, but I realize this is just me. With most any fractional rig it works best to go to a smaller headsail before reefing the main, mostly for the sake of forestay tension, but it's not a big deal unless you want to win a race. You 15 owners- would you rather have a bit more ballast and not have the boat quite as lively in the light stuff, or is it about right? How about the 17? How often do you wish you had a tall rig? Gary O, who is as knowledgeable as I, blew the mast on his 17 and had worn out sails, and he replaced the rig with a tall rig. How many of you would do this if fSaced with the same situation? The 15 and the 17 have earned their reputations in three ways; they are well built, they are seaworthy, and they are remarkably fast for their lengths. I really expect to make the 16 as fast as a 17 because of up-to-date design and technology, but it must also be as stable and seaworthy. I have had the thought before that I'd take a 15 anywhere I would a 17, and the new boat needs to be included in this. Any comments? jerry

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 78, Issue 39
by Rmceagrella＠aol.com 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

I had a similar experience w our pix....It really is about the friends that are made. Can't wait till next we sail. Rick M23 Raven In a message dated 8/12/2009 7:05:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com writes: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Cliff Notes from "Fridgeless Crusing" by Connie McBride (Joe Murphy) 2. Re: more market research! (eisenee(a)aol.com) 3. Re: more market research and leaky ports (eisenee(a)aol.com) 4. Re: more market research and leaky ports (eisenee(a)aol.com) 5. Open Letter to all teh Montgomery San Juan'ers (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) 6. Re: more market research and leaky ports (Joe Murphy) 7. Re: Open Letter to all teh Montgomery San Juan'ers (Eeeisen(a)aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:11:32 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Cliff Notes from "Fridgeless Crusing" by Connie McBride Message-ID: <96B392B085694EAD818A7E7F2F66133B@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I hope I'm not violating any copywrite laws, but I had gotten enough responses to synopsize the article in the Nov/Dec 2008 Good Old Boat. So here it is in a nutshell. I gleaned the pieces that I thought were oriented to our issue. "Chilled food is a luxury, not a necessity. Keep most "refrigerate after opening foods' at room temperature for as long as it take to use them up. (Keep in mind, the McBrides are full time liveaboards). Eggs - although Lin Pardey mentions coating eggs with Vaseline or sodium silicate and has kept eggs for 3 months by turning them three times a week, Connie admits that she doesn't go through all this. She just keeps them in what used to be their on board refrigerator and without doing anything else they keep for three weeks. Just to make sure, she cracks them in a separate bowl before using them in any mix. She claims that she has lost less than a dozen eggs over the past four years. Mayonaise - if you never put a dirty utensil in the jar. In fact her rule was to never put any utensil of any kind in the jar, but to shake out what you need. Not only did her mayo last up to a month but the even ate leftover potato sald the lollowing day for lunch. She buys plastic jars of Majo to make it easier and recommends that if you can find it, to get the squeeze bottles. Same rules for jelly which can last for three weeks. Dairy Products - Butter and margarine must be handled carefully. Sticks of margaine do not melt and will keep for up to a month. She stores each pound in a clean plastic food storage container, date it, and rotate the sotck. Margarine in a a generally melts at a lower timperature a nd the container do not seal well enough to prevent accidents. Butter melts more easily but if you enjoy using it for baking it will keep for a while before it turns rancid. (We keep our butter out all the time at home and have never had a problem. JM) She buys cheese in small portins and store each one in a separate airtight container and tries to use it in a few days after it's opened. Unopened, it does not mold for weeks, though it does get sharper. Harde cheeses, such as Parmesan and Romano, stay fresh much longer. Milk - she used to buy UHT milk (Parmalat) until a few of the boxes spoilled. After opening they lasted less than a day. She no carries canned cream, evaporated milk, nad condensed milk for cooking and baking. For everday milk they use Nido or other brands of powdered whole milk. Used for cereal, coffee, and for cooking and it tasts ... like warm milk. Meat- In port, they buy fresh and cook it within a few hours. She wraps forzen meat in layers of towels and stores it in an insulated cold/hot bag for up to 24 hours before cooking. Canned meat is used often. Spam, forned beef, canned tuna, chicken, salmon, etc. She suggests canned chicken turkey and beef from Werling and Sones www.werlingandsons.com. Chorizo and ham tidbits keep for several weeks before using. ONce opened, she treats them like fresh meat and cooks them immediately. She bought a cured ham. After opeing it the first time, she wipes the ham down with vinegar. Anytime she uses some, she wipes the newly exposed area with vinegar. As an alternative to meat, she substitutes several alternatives. Soya chunks (textured vegetable protein) is available in different sizes. Small size is a suitable substitute for ground beef. Her favorite meat alternatives are beans, i.e., lentils, spit peas, garbanzo beans, pigeon peas, and black beans. (Hey, anybody notice she didn't include Bush's?? JM) Use totillas or pita bread for tacos and chimichangas. She recommends Janet Horsley's "Bean Cuisine". Fresh Produce Challenges - Remove any plastic wrap or bags immediately and keep produce separated. Onions are best stored in the light definitely not with potatoes, which should be stored in the dark, preferably with apples. Apples should never be stored with citrus fruits. The sense of smell is a well used tool when living without refrigeration. She gives everything a sniff test before eating it: eggs, mayo, jelly, leftovers, and even canned food.Some foods mold overnight, i.e., sliced tomatos. So, that's the jist of her article. I don't know about you but I'm gonna go get a piece of fried chicken! Joe ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:57 EDT From: eisenee(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: more market research! Message-ID: <c6d.5596efc1.37b4ca19(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" As I said in my initial response to Jerry's market research if you want a clorex bottle with stainless handrails and hatch slides get a McGregor you get all that and can pull skiers too. Let's keep a traditional appearances. Eldor M17 Motu iti ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:49:12 EDT From: eisenee(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: more market research and leaky ports Message-ID: <cec.5fd493df.37b4cb18(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yes, the original owner of Motu iti had reversed the hatch before I bought her. She is a 1992 model and it works great. Eldor M17 Motu iti ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:51:44 EDT From: eisenee(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: more market research and leaky ports Message-ID: <bf2.596a6d2d.37b4cbb0(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" All that air will dry it out in a hurry. Eldor Motu iti ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:53:14 EDT From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Open Letter to all teh Montgomery San Juan'ers Message-ID: <bcd.52b6d488.37b4cc0a(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" To all of you that we accompanied on the San Juan/Gulf Islands trip: I just received (couple of days ago) the dvd with all the group photos. Big thanks to Randy who went to all the trouble to compile it and send them out! Wow! Well over 2000 pictures from the 14 days we spent together. Some of you guys should be pro photographers. So...I sat down and started going through them. I thought I'd go through and pull every picture that had anything to do with Jo and I, Bosun or Dauntless. It took a couple of hours. When I got done, as you can imagine I had a ton of shots, like a couple hundred. I was so excited to put them all together in a slide-show, which I did. After another couple of hours I finally got to play my "Dauntless specific" slide-show. How cool is that!? Well, I'll tell you........shortly after starting the slide show I had this "empty" feeling...something wasn't right...something was missing. Back into the dvd I dove...spending another couple hours fixing the problem. What was the problem? you ask.......you guys weren't in my "Dauntless specific" show!! I went back through the dvd flagging all the cool shots of the rest of you guys....I put them in with the shots of Dauntless I flagged and.... WALA!!! That was it!!! I had to cut the slide-show down to just my "favorites". It's now a mere 413 pictures!!! hahaha At 2.5 seconds per shot it STILL takes about 16 minutes to watch them all. In the background I put some music that I like and I have to tell you that it almost chokes me up to watch it. To realize that Jo and I are fortunate enough to be able to make a trip like that, and to think about the caliber of friends we've made................well, it's just awesome. I hope you guys find the same enjoyment when you go through the literally thousands of pictures and videos. And as for you...Larry................. Well, I forgive you for the video about the Polluting the Puget Sound! hahaha (but it took me a while!) hahaha. Seriously, though, .....Thank You Buddy. You are a true gentleman, a great friend, and you've given so many of us such a great gift by all your efforts to bring us together. That truly was a "trip of a lifetime". I gotta go now. I haven't watched the slide-show for about an hour and I need to go refresh my memory on what a great trip it was again!.....and again....and again........ :-) What was that about 2011???? :-) Sean M23 "Dauntless" ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:01:30 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: more market research and leaky ports Message-ID: <4015C294247C46EA88CEBC0B91403812@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Eldor, Did you set up the end boom mainsheet that I think I detect in your photos?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <eisenee(a)aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:49 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: more market research and leaky ports > Yes, the original owner of Motu iti had reversed the hatch before I bought > her. She is a 1992 model and it works great. > Eldor > M17 Motu iti > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:04:50 EDT From: Eeeisen(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Open Letter to all teh Montgomery San Juan'ers Message-ID: <c20.627e338a.37b4cec2(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" We need to see some current pictures of Bosun. I'm sure he has continued to grow! He was great fun to have on the cruise. And you are right, it certainly was a trip of a lifetime. And there aren't words to describe the friends we met. I'm sorry that I didn't get our pictures to Randy but I couldn't figure out how to get them off the netbook. If anyone is interested, here is a link to the album that I was able to upload. _http://picasaweb.google.com/montysailors/RecentlyUpdated_ (http://picasaweb.google.com/montysailors/RecentlyUpdated) # Dorothy Eisen M-17 Motu iti fixed keel ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 78, Issue 39 ************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: Open Letter to all teh Montgomery San Juan'ers
by Eeeisen＠aol.com 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

We need to see some current pictures of Bosun. I'm sure he has continued to grow! He was great fun to have on the cruise. And you are right, it certainly was a trip of a lifetime. And there aren't words to describe the friends we met. I'm sorry that I didn't get our pictures to Randy but I couldn't figure out how to get them off the netbook. If anyone is interested, here is a link to the album that I was able to upload. _http://picasaweb.google.com/montysailors/RecentlyUpdated_ (http://picasaweb.google.com/montysailors/RecentlyUpdated) # Dorothy Eisen M-17 Motu iti fixed keel

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