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No Ice Food Options
by Blake Reimer 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

I think I saw a Coors ad with self-cooling cans. In my opinion, it would be a fine idea if it didn't have Coors in it. As for the propane system in a camper ice-box, it uses lithium bromide and the absorption principle. Probably wouldn't be practical as a stove top unit, because in the end, it doesn't make cold, it removes heat. That means all of the warmth of the beer PLUS the stove input has to go somewhere, which is what the rack of coils does on the back of the refrigerator gets done. That would be a little ungainly to use on a stove top. But if you can figure it out, I would buy one just for the novelty. I can't say the same about the Coors.....

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First Mate
by Larry E Yake 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

Those of us who are lucky enough to have friends or relatives sail with us from time to time know how important it is not to scare them or they may never want to sail again. I discovered last week that I no longer have to worry about how much my wife can take. We were running downwind in pretty strong conditions with gusts and whitecaps. I had the centerboard up, the mainsail down, and was flying only the partial furled headsail. I was starting to angle off slightly to port to maintain some distance from the shore when a strong gust from that side, combined with a big wave, tried to broach us. I tried to angle more to starboard, but the tendency of the hull and keel to roundup overrode the rudder. By the time I changed tactics we had taken a little water over the coaming. My wife, on the high side, never batted an eye, but just looked down at me on the low side and deadpanned... "You got wet." Larry M17 CornDog

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Re: M_Boats: Pictures
by Nebwest2 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

And I "Third" that comment! Holly cow there are a lot of pictures there! My non-sailor friends are gonna love that...."We're almost done, just another 400 to go.....then I'll show you all the video clips!" (That's probably why I don't have a lot of "non-sailor friends!") :-) Thanks Randy for all your work putting the dvd together! Sean

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Pictures
by Tom Jenkins 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

Randy, Our thanks for assembling the DVD with all those great San Juan/Gulf Island pics. My lord, 3.87 GB! Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla

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Re: M_Boats: more market research!
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

1.Montgomery type house. Trunk house may tend towards looking stubby 2. Opening ports leak - no thank you - deckplate type vent is interchangeable and seals tightly. Opening ports have smaller lights for given area - less light below. 3.Big rig - 'plastic spars' ??? PS - the main reason I changed to a tall rig is that I was able to compare them side by side - the tall rig is BLISTERINGLY fast in light air - I really hate to motor ANY boat - and it is easier to reef a main than change headsails. Jerry - you flatter me with gracious commentary - I know just enough to make an A-1 ass of myself - and I do have that perfected! Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing. GO That is my opinion - and it is right! In a message dated 8/6/2009 3:27:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: More market research! The 16 project is well under way; the design has been sent off for approval, and as soon as I get it I'll start on the tooling. In the meantime, there are more things to be considered so that decisions can be made when appropriate. I don't mean to be a pest, but I'd like to lean on your valuable opinions for more market research. Basically what we have so far is a boat of 16'6" and a beam of 6.6', and a tall 7/8 rig. Closer to the 17 in size than it is the 15. We have worked out the sitting headroom below that seems to be the major criticism of the 15. I'm quite happy that the buyer of this design and I see eye-to- eye on pretty much everything (so far), and what we both want is a fast, seaworthy boat (actually, what I want is a fast, seaworthy boat, and what he wants is a seaworthy, fast boat) and that within reason cost is not a major consideration . In manufacturing, we plan to use more exotic materials and better engineering than anything else on the market. As many of you know I've made most of my living for the last 6 or 8 years designing and tooling what is probably the best line of racing kayaks and outrigger canoes in the world, and I've been forced to stay on the leading edge in using up-to-date materials and techniques, as well as design. Huki's (A Hawaiian word meaning GO ; jawsee Huki.com) most popular and successful surfski (offshore racing kayak) is 22' long and weighs under 20 lbs! They are raced inter-island in Hawaii, all over San Francisco Bay, around Catalina Isl, etc, and the boat is NOT the weak link when it comes to survival. They are totally capable of handling 10' and 12' waves with the correct paddler, which is not me ! I just realized that this really sounds like a marketing come-on , but it's really not and is more a reflection of my enthusiasm. Questions: The cabin, which fits in with the forward hatch. I have drawn the boat with a "Montgomery style" house similar to the existing 15 and 17. A problem is that there is not room for a "real" forward hatch unless we go to a trunk house type of cabin , with a traditional, more vertical forward panel. This will give us another 4 or 6" of cabin deck space in front of the mast, enough for a fwd hatch, without encroaching on the foredeck. How do you feel about this? Is the forward hatch worth a Hess style house? The only disadvantage of a trunk house is a bit more windage sailing upwind, which is drag. I can live with it and I wonder if some might prefer it. It also has a bit more headroom sitting on the head. Windows. What percentage of you would like the option of opening ports? All the ones I've seen on the market ( and I really haven't paid much attention for years) are pretty traditional and would go well with a trunk house. If we picked a good opening window we would probably design a non-opening port to go with it as standard equipment. In any case we would need to use two windows per side to leave the middle part of the sides of the house uncut, for strength. Any thoughts on this? Personally I'd opt for no fwd hatch, and use a dorade vent which works for me because of where I sail, but I realize that most of you do not sail in CA and Mexico. Also, the slap slap of anchoring stern-to doesn't really bother me when I sleep. I just pretend it's Mom's heartbeat. This is a subtle thing but an ongoing discussion is just where do we put the line on stability versus speed? I have always preferred the tall rig 17 to the normal one because it has a touch more speed. Yes, it has to reef or downshift the jib a bit earlier, but so what? If you sail in an area where it blows 20 regularly I would expect you to feel differently, but how many of us do? I would rather have a spirited boat in the light stuff, but I realize this is just me. With most any fractional rig it works best to go to a smaller headsail before reefing the main, mostly for the sake of forestay tension, but it's not a big deal unless you want to win a race. You 15 owners- would you rather have a bit more ballast and not have the boat quite as lively in the light stuff, or is it about right? How about the 17? How often do you wish you had a tall rig? Gary O, who is as knowledgeable as I, blew the mast on his 17 and had worn out sails, and he replaced the rig with a tall rig. How many of you would do this if fSaced with the same situation? The 15 and the 17 have earned their reputations in three ways; they are well built, they are seaworthy, and they are remarkably fast for their lengths. I really expect to make the 16 as fast as a 17 because of up-to-date design and technology, but it must also be as stable and seaworthy. I have had the thought before that I'd take a 15 anywhere I would a 17, and the new boat needs to be included in this. Any comments? jerry _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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San Juan/Gulf Islands Video part 6 posted
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

Covers Ganges to Montague Harbour on Youtube at _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdti9FaqQdU_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdti9FaqQdU) Or go to my webpage at _www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com) to link to all 6 videos Enjoy, Sean

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No Ice Food Options
by Rick Langer 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Skip, Thanks, it sounds exciting and basically benign towards the environment. This link states it will make a beer cold in 3 minutes. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-10453545-details/Self-chilling+b… I can't wait. I have a gas frig in my camper that uses a propane flame to make it cold, so cold we usually end up freezing everything before we get it adjusted correctly. This is crude, but I think the heat source causes the ammonia based coolant to move through the system and using a venturi and a condenser creates "COLD". So I thought that a little unit (just big enough to surround a can) could be placed on the stove and presto "a cold beer". It's reusable and probably less expensive than the IC cans, but I haven't heard of anyone making one. Rick > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:31:43 -0400 > From: wcampion(a)aol.com > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: No Ice Food Options > Message-ID: <8CBE7F78FCB07A7-13D8-320(a)webmail-mh19.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Rick, > > Your wish maybe close to coming true!!!!??? There is a company making beer > with a cooling option.? I watch al ot of educational TV and not long ago, > a gentleman was marketing a six pack that was simular to the self heating > soup cans, but will cool the beer within 15-30 minutes.? Google "self > cooling beer cans".? I think you'll be happy!! > > Skip > M-15 #201 Wild Guppy

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No Ice Food Options
by Rick Langer 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Howard, My experience is that the ice option is driven by meat and beer. I don't eat meat so that's easy, but warm beer is unacceptable and I haven't found a solution to that yet. I've tried submerging the beer as far as 50 feet, but it still doesn't get cold like with ice. As to food, bananas, broccoli, eggs and seasonal fruits tend to last at least a week if kept cool and protected from bouncing around. I always bring potatoes and onions. For me nothing beats a pan of home fries and a can of beans. Milk, both soy and cows is available in small single use containers which is good for a no cook breakfast of granola. Instant oatmeal is also good for breakfast. I know they are not all over the country, but in the northeast we have a store called "Trader Joe's" and this place is great for no ice cruising. They have many products in boil bags which offer a great meal with little fuss. Just boil water, drop it in, cut the bag open and eat. The few dishes you do dirty are easily taken care of with the left over hot water. They have soups, all kinds of rice, Mexican, tuna, a line of Indian food, and an Indian Thali (3) dish dinner all in bags that is just wonderful. On my week cruise to Moosehead Lake I brought two of those and ate both. They also have a four cheese lasagna in a boil tray that might be the best I've ever had. All this without ice and an added benefit is that whatever you don't use gets saved for the next cruise or to eat at home, very little that's perishable and the boil bag concept produces very little trash. I produce about one small plastic shopping bag a week of garbage. I don't have any trouble eating for up to a couple of weeks without ice, but I do miss having salad. And of course don't forget you fishing pole. Rick M15 #337 Bluebird p.s. We need an invention like those instant hand warmers only with the opposite affect, that will chill a beer on demand.

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Options from Asia and Canoe Camping. Re: No Ice Food Options
by Clifford Dillmann 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Hi All Many books cover supplies for canoe camping. Small sailboats are just canoes with extra space. Canoe camping permits more luxury than backpacking but rarely is ice carried and often regulation requires not using cans or bottles as parks and forests try to reduce the temptation to leave waste behind. Backpacking food could be used but it is very expensive for those of normal appetite, often salty, and to many is barely edible. A few possibles: Freeze dry canned beans. Low heat in the oven on a flat pan followed by drying in any household food dryer. WIth spices, dried or packaged tomato sauce and rice makes great chili. I add beans to many dishes from scrambled eggs, to pasta sauce, to oatmeal to pump up nutrition, healthy calories, and flavor. Instant rice, brown has more flavor and fiber. Supermarkets have many choices. Asian stores rarely do. Regular brown rice takes a long time to cook. Pizza sauce is available in packets rather than cans and works with any noodles. Garlic and onions keep well. Grate or whole romano or parmesan cheese keeps relatively well. Asian groceries for noodles, dried fish and shrimp products, mung beans for sprouting, and mushrooms. These products often need to ship from afar so are more often available dried than comparable domestic products. Prices are very reasonable unlike camper dried food. Try before the trip to learn best preparation methods and to find out which suit your taste. Asian spices often parallel western spices and are a fraction of the cost. Try the curry but avoid curry mixes that have a lot of salt. Asian noodles cook very quickly. Avoid the prepacked fried noodles which have a lot of fat and salt. Read the package! Sometimes high salt includes the flavoring packet which can be discarded. Noodles mixed while hot with grated Romano cheese, spices (go Italian or use with curry) and a bit of oil make an easy one pot dish - five minutes. http://chinesefood.about.com/library/blnoodlescook.htm Beans and alfalfa and wheat can be sprouted in a wet towel placed anywhere out of the sun. It could at the same time be wrapped around a drink to cool it. Nothing beats fresh sprouted mung beans stir fried with shrimp, onions, garlic, and peppers over rice. And for peanut butter and jelly, matzo or Nordic crispbreads have fiber, usually little salt and fat, and keep will if carefully plastic bagged. Try for whole grain. See you on the water, Cliff in PA Egret, a Dovekie 21, and considering a Montgomery 15 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net>wrote: > Yup......I failed to mention those. There is tuna and a limited selection > of other canned fish and other meats, such as vienna sausage, canned > chicken, some beef. Freeze dried beef, jerky, etc. I carry a dry food tub on > the boat, and I think it has a can of Hormel Chili in it right now. I've > wondered about dragging along a chunk of country cured ham. Then there is > the packaged mixes like the Lipton stuff. Red beans and rice, etc. One > downside to a lot of those is dealing with the packaging. Do that often > enough and you can start accumulating a good size pile of trash to drag > around. > > I was along on a scout trip to Philmont, so lived out of a backpack for 10 > days, not to mention all the other backpacking we did before and after. They > (Philmont) and we used a lot of freeze dried stuff (so you don't have to > carry the weight of the water on your back). They worked, but you would tire > of that pretty quick. Those pemican bars were filling to say the least, but > also known to cause gastric distress in some. > > When we weren't backpacking, the motto of the adults was to eat better on a > campout than we did at home, or there wasn't much reason to go on a campout. > So we would serve KC strips, baked potatoes, salads, cobblers, etc. I've > tended to carry that philosophy over to boating (I don't have to carry it on > my back), so I'm known to eat like that on the boat most of the time. But > that means that cooler goes too. > > Trying to find some middle ground here. > > > > > >>> Hi Howard, >> >> For starters: >> >> cans of tuna fish (or the new pouches which I think are even smaller in >> quantity than are the cans) >> >> canned spaghetti / or similar product >> >> try a camping out fitters such as EMI, or Cabela's and see what sort of >> provisions they have that don't require refrigeration. The hunters / >> fishermen / backpackers all have the same problems. >> >> Connie >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >

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New Elliot Patterson M17 main for sale
by Brian Gilbert 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

Hi Folks: For those of you who have been waiting for measurements... the mainsail I have for sale measures as follows: Head-tack 224 1/2" Head-clew 241" tack-clew 91" These were measured from the center of the eyes, and are probably +/- 1/2" or so because of sag in the tape, etc. Elliot Patterson is the OEM sailmaker for Montgomery. I understand this is the stock sail, and was built to their stock measurements for a new Monty with an extra set of reef points added. It's a loose- footed sail. The mast on my '79 M17 is about 3" too short. It's brand-new, never used... I only had it on the boat once. I hate to sell it, but it'd be smarter to have a new one made rather than having this one recut. I'm asking $450. Thanks BG Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer Sailer

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