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Re: M_Boats: more market research and leaky ports
by eisenee＠aol.com 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

Yes, the original owner of Motu iti had reversed the hatch before I bought her. She is a 1992 model and it works great. Eldor M17 Motu iti

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Open Letter to all teh Montgomery San Juan'ers
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

To all of you that we accompanied on the San Juan/Gulf Islands trip: I just received (couple of days ago) the dvd with all the group photos. Big thanks to Randy who went to all the trouble to compile it and send them out! Wow! Well over 2000 pictures from the 14 days we spent together. Some of you guys should be pro photographers. So...I sat down and started going through them. I thought I'd go through and pull every picture that had anything to do with Jo and I, Bosun or Dauntless. It took a couple of hours. When I got done, as you can imagine I had a ton of shots, like a couple hundred. I was so excited to put them all together in a slide-show, which I did. After another couple of hours I finally got to play my "Dauntless specific" slide-show. How cool is that!? Well, I'll tell you........shortly after starting the slide show I had this "empty" feeling...something wasn't right...something was missing. Back into the dvd I dove...spending another couple hours fixing the problem. What was the problem? you ask.......you guys weren't in my "Dauntless specific" show!! I went back through the dvd flagging all the cool shots of the rest of you guys....I put them in with the shots of Dauntless I flagged and.... WALA!!! That was it!!! I had to cut the slide-show down to just my "favorites". It's now a mere 413 pictures!!! hahaha At 2.5 seconds per shot it STILL takes about 16 minutes to watch them all. In the background I put some music that I like and I have to tell you that it almost chokes me up to watch it. To realize that Jo and I are fortunate enough to be able to make a trip like that, and to think about the caliber of friends we've made................well, it's just awesome. I hope you guys find the same enjoyment when you go through the literally thousands of pictures and videos. And as for you...Larry................. Well, I forgive you for the video about the Polluting the Puget Sound! hahaha (but it took me a while!) hahaha. Seriously, though, .....Thank You Buddy. You are a true gentleman, a great friend, and you've given so many of us such a great gift by all your efforts to bring us together. That truly was a "trip of a lifetime". I gotta go now. I haven't watched the slide-show for about an hour and I need to go refresh my memory on what a great trip it was again!.....and again....and again........ :-) What was that about 2011???? :-) Sean M23 "Dauntless"

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Re: M_Boats: more market research and leaky ports
by eisenee＠aol.com 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

All that air will dry it out in a hurry. Eldor Motu iti

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Re: M_Boats: more market research!
by eisenee＠aol.com 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

As I said in my initial response to Jerry's market research if you want a clorex bottle with stainless handrails and hatch slides get a McGregor you get all that and can pull skiers too. Let's keep a traditional appearances. Eldor M17 Motu iti

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Re: M_Boats: more market research!
by eisenee＠aol.com 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

Jerry Is it a Lapstrake hull and how about teak trim? Eldor M17 Motu iti

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Re: M_Boats: more market research!
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

Hey Jerry, I agree with Dave, Jim & others. Teak is nice. Don't want to be too sterile. Good point on the hot steel (in the sun). Teak handrails are nice. Some sort of ventilation I think would be a must. We have a hatch on our boat, but no opening ports. I'm sure you will come up with the best option. I agree with the taller rig and I think, more ballast. What's the depth board up and down? sal M-15 '86 - #361 M-23 '09 - #2 (being built) In a message dated 8/12/2009 3:18:41 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, wdscobie(a)yahoo.com writes: must be some accent teak. the teak toe-rail, cabin-top grab-rails, and cabin entry give just enough 'salt' to match the lapstrake. SWEET PEA, having the alum toe-rails looks a bit more utilitarian ... but all those attachment points are nice. i've been around some boats with stainless grab rails ... nice idea ... but HOT to grab after they sit in the sun. alum hanb rails just SCREAMS macgregor 26 or a stinkpotter IMO. i've also toasted my feet on SWEET PEA's alum. toe-rails. teak doesn't' get all that hot ;-) i enjoy doing teak work. i've 'brought back' two Mboats teak. both were just a few days work and with proper monthly care (i'm a sea fin teak oil fan) i'll not need to do any significant teak projects for many many years. my 'teak experience' comes from a choey lee ... now those boats have TEAK! dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Wed, 8/12/09, James Poulakis <picfo(a)comcast.net> wrote: Mark, Bill and the others are completely right about teak being just another maintenance issue. BUT what they forgot about teak trim is that CHICKS DIG IT. Toe rail trim doesn't affect seaworthiness or speed, and teak will be another factor that visually sets the M-16.5 apart from the clorox bottles (along with a lapstrake hull, ivory gelcoat, and opening port(s)). So this is the capitalist in me talking, and forgive me if I'm assuming too much: I suspect the M-16.5 is going to be a bit more pricey then a Potter or Catalina or Precision. If the M-16.5 is going to be successful it's not enough that we True Believers know it's heads and shoulders above the competition - It also has to look like something special to our significant others, and those who are not as enlightened as we. But somehow, Jerry, I think you already know this... By the way, ever since I was 12 years old I've wanted to tell a professional boatbuilder/designer how his boats should REALLY be designed and built. Thanks for giving me the opportunity. Jim M-17 "Spirit" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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No Refrigeration Article
by Rick Langer 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

Tod, I've kept chickens for at least 20 years. You're right that as long as you don't initially refrigerate them eggs will stay useable for as long as two months. In very warm weather we have noticed that fertilized eggs will start to develop the embryos, but even that doesn't effect their usability. As a matter of fact, fertilized eggs are much higher in protein than non-fertilized ones. Incidentally, contrary to popular belief, the eggs in your supermarket are not very fresh. Besides being up to a couple of months old some suppliers collect old eggs from stores, wash them, repackage them and return them to the stores "as fresh eggs". Aside from the horror of this procedure it is a testament to the longevity of the usefulness of fresh eggs. Rick M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:33:15 -0400 > From: <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: No Refrigeration Article > Message-ID: <001301ca1aba$92327520$b6975f60$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Eggs can last a LONG time unrefrigerated. I've heard that it is best if > they are never refrigerated (as opposed being refrigerated then left > unrefrigerated) but I can't verify that. I've experimented with them and > have had fresh eggs out on a counter *cheep cheep* for weeks with no > spoilage (even though they had been previously refrigerated). > > I haven't noticed any *cheep* ill effects. > > > Tod Mills > M17 #408, 1987 galley model > BuscaBrisas

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Re: M_Boats: more market research!
by bownez＠juno.com 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

Hello Jerry, My, you certainly know how to stimulate us M-Boaters with all this talk of a new trailerable. All the comments I have been reading are pointing toward a design of a great new sailing vessel and another feather in your "M" cap. OK, I will admit I am a traditionalist when it comes to boats. I happen to really like the trunk style Hess coachroof. It supports my back while I'm anchored and sitting on the foredeck have a coldie. I also am a fan of interior headroom, the more, the better. We need ventilation, whether it be a forehatch or opening ports. I installed two SS opening Bormar ports in my M23 and I love them. I used a LOT of polysulfide and they do not leak. I also vote for stability. Lyle always wanted his boats to bring the captain and crew home safe. Lapstrake all the way, it's the M-boat characteristic. After scrubbing and oiling my teak for hours last weekend, HDPE does sound like a good idea, as long as it looks somewhat like wood, not cheap or cheesy. Don't forget great scuppers and a wet locker. Rock on Jerry. Bones ____________________________________________________________ The strong, silent type. Click here for great looking bamboo flooring! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTJs35kbGvGjG0SQl82p61K99Y…

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Following Seas
by Blake Reimer 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

Off the wind in a following sea and current tends to want to drive the bow down, In the trough the main is closer to the water and takes a little less velocity from the wind. As the following swell catches up, it will raise the stern, lower the bow while increasing the drive on the mainsail which can lead to rounding up, or worse, rounding down. Compensate by moving self and passengers aft. This helps get the bow out of the rudder business and puts the rudder back in charge like it oughta be. Of course, a reef in the main and/or a smaller jib has the same effect, and as stated in another post, moves the center of effort inboard. It also tends to minimize worried looks and hysterical wailing from your crew.....

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I must be getting (a) dinghy??
by Blake Reimer 11 Aug '09

11 Aug '09

Thanx for all of the info on the dinghy subject including, of course, "The M15 IS a dinghy!" There are some might fine boats suggested. I was very impressed with the Pygmy Kayak kits and thought the SeaEagle X series to be a fine choice for an inflatable. What really piqued my interest: the Rubens Nymph, or maybe the plain Nymph plans. I;m sure I wouldn't want to row too far in one but I am thinking either should tow easily and stow on the truck bed for the trip up. On top of that, I could put it together in my itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny shop this winter (as if I need another project, says the first mate). One thing for certain, I may or may not NEED a dinghy, but I sure WANT one now!

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