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Re: M_Boats: New M15 Owner Introduction
by Neil Dorf 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

Brrrrr thats cold. But at least you were out on the water away from Yogi Bear and friends so the pic-in-ic basket was safe :-) Neil -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Kaiser" <whkaiser(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: 8/20/2009 7:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New M15 Owner Introduction Congrats to Neil and your first mate on your purchase. My wife and I are not new to sailing but new to our M 15 Desert Dawn purchased Oct 08 used built in 05. Just trailered her from Phoenix to Yellowstone NP got the backcountry permit and did a couple days and a night on the lake only boat going out nice mooring but chilly 30 degrees. Great day sailing boat but very cozy cruiser. Ask way on this site very helpful. Bill Phoenix On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:38 PM, <ndorf(a)surfbest.net> wrote: > Thanks Mark, > > The boat actually came with not only the original sails but some > newer Pineapple Sails in very good condition. > > That said, I'll be looking into a canvas boat cover and eventually, > new cushions. > > Regards, > > Neil > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: New M15 Owner Introduction
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

Thanks Mark, The boat actually came with not only the original sails but some newer Pineapple Sails in very good condition. That said, I'll be looking into a canvas boat cover and eventually, new cushions. Regards, Neil

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PA or East Coast. Seeking to see a Montgomery 15/17.
by Clifford Dillmann 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Hi All I am considering a M15 and a friend is considering an M17. If someone was willing to let us look at their boat we would drive at least a few hundred miles to do so. Getting on the water would be a plus but not necessary. Watching the ads shows few on this coast but if we knew the boats met our needs it would be more practical to negotiate at a distance. Consider replying off the list to spare others personal traffic. egretpa(a)gmail.com 717 645 3696 Thank you, Cliff in PA Egret, a 21 Dovekie

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alt downhauls for jib. Re: Heavy weather tactics
by Clifford Dillmann 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Hi All THe downhaul on my Potter 15 worked as an throttle - up for speed, down for control. Since going forward on the Potter tends to sink the bow, at first I used an elaborate system to down and then bundled the jib. http://www.widgetsailor.com/myboat/downhaul/jline.html but with such a small jib it seemed unnecessary and added to the rigging time as well as tending to snag. Simpler works with a line run the the jib hanks. For my boat alternating hanks was smoother than using each. I agree on the larger line. I used 3/16 as in the next article. http://www.practical-sailor.com/marine/jibdownhaul.pdf Neither of these eliminates a need for easy reefing of the main sheet to hold the boats balance with respect to wind direction. Suggestions for small boat reefing abound on the web. Happy Sailing, Cliff in PA On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:42 PM, <eisenee(a)aol.com> wrote: > Try a 1/4 in. line on your jib downhaul. You have to use one you can wrap > your fingers around and its a lot less likely to get snagged. > Eldor > M17 Motu iti > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >

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Re: M_Boats: Heavy weather tactics
by eisenee＠aol.com 20 Aug '09

20 Aug '09

Try a 1/4 in. line on your jib downhaul. You have to use one you can wrap your fingers around and its a lot less likely to get snagged. Eldor M17 Motu iti

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Chip log formula for M17 is really simple
by David C. Patterson 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

This may be of interest among list members. Since I am sailing without a knotmeter, I learned from my ASA Coastal Navigation class last winter how to estimate speed handily. The Chip Log Formula goes: .6 (a constant) X boat length divided by seconds = boat speed in knots. A knot is about 1.1 mph. What is handy is that for an M17 .6 x 17 = 10.2. Rounding that to 10 makes the division simple. I get curious about boat speed especially on a run, when is so deceptively even (usually). Spotting a leaf, bit of debris, or even some foam ahead, I watch for it to reach the bow of the boat. Then counting "one one thousand, two one thousand.etc." I get my seconds, divide into ten, and I have a speed estimate. Any three or four syllable word works easily, as in "one rutabaga" (my youngest daughter's old favorite), or "two Montgomery", etc. So, three seconds means a little over three knots, two seconds means five knots of speed. (What is theoretical hull speed on an M17 anyway?) The same formula for an M15 ends up with exactly 9 divided by the seconds. Perhaps even handier. Enjoy the too brief sailing season, David M17 #393

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Re: M_Boats: Chip log formula for M17 is really simple
by Shawn Boles 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

I believe it is boat length at waterline. (15F 10in for 17 as I recall) cheers, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+shawn=ori.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David C. Patterson Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:45 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Chip log formula for M17 is really simple This may be of interest among list members. Since I am sailing without a knotmeter, I learned from my ASA Coastal Navigation class last winter how to estimate speed handily. The Chip Log Formula goes: .6 (a constant) X boat length divided by seconds = boat speed in knots. A knot is about 1.1 mph. What is handy is that for an M17 .6 x 17 = 10.2. Rounding that to 10 makes the division simple. I get curious about boat speed especially on a run, when is so deceptively even (usually). Spotting a leaf, bit of debris, or even some foam ahead, I watch for it to reach the bow of the boat. Then counting "one one thousand, two one thousand.etc." I get my seconds, divide into ten, and I have a speed estimate. Any three or four syllable word works easily, as in "one rutabaga" (my youngest daughter's old favorite), or "two Montgomery", etc. So, three seconds means a little over three knots, two seconds means five knots of speed. (What is theoretical hull speed on an M17 anyway?) The same formula for an M15 ends up with exactly 9 divided by the seconds. Perhaps even handier. Enjoy the too brief sailing season, David M17 #393 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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M 15 in Alameda Marina
by flickasf＠aol.com 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

Hello Neil & Becky, You will love your M 15. ?If you have any questions, e mail me at AOl with the address of flickasf. ?I am on my 2nd M 15. ?I have sailed S.F. bay in winds of 30 knots and have cruised British Columbia in my Montgomery. ?With the right sail combination, they will do well in heavy weather. ? Bert Felton M15, Zephyr, #365

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Re: M_Boats: Jerry...for and about the new 16.5
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

Fly by wire - you just need a longer tiller extension! Ex trapeze dinghy sailor- GO In a message dated 8/18/2009 9:28:24 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: Use a trapeze, and sail in comfort! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blake Reimer" <blkreimer(a)yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: M_Boats: Jerry...for and about the new 16.5 Jerry, With your desire for a sporting performance using modern materials and construction, on your new design, may I suggest a decent arrangement by which to rest my butt and hike? The M15 for all of her performance is a real pain in the...butt to hike from. Trying to hike w/o a strap and using the opposite thwart for my feet, the coaming can quickly cripple a six footer like me when trying to go fast. Even with a 'jerry' rigged hiking strap, my feet are so dangling out in space that it's very unsettling. Okay, I really do like the high coamings on the M15, so I don't know the solution. Just a thought. Tell me to take a hike if you like, Blake Reimer M15 IOTA _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Transom Ladder
by EinkaufR43＠aol.com 19 Aug '09

19 Aug '09

Murray; I put that same ladder on my M-15 #249 last summer, based on archive reading. I'm of the "no holes drilled if any way possible" school, and just added some bolt tension to the hinge for sailing, and a bungee for hauling. I've thought of adding a dowel filler under the deck lip with a dot fastener or velcro, but haven't found that necessary as yet. Oh, and I used an epoxied plywood backing plate with stainless t-nuts, again per the archives. I wanted to drill above the water line, and so drilled parallel to the lower gudgeon bolt holes. My boat has a reinforcing section panel in that area, and it was tricky to measure inside/outside to be sure to hit that. I'd say I was lucky, and would mount a bit higher if doing it again, though others might like it low for graphics placement. Call it my absolute "no holes below the water line"rule. We M-15ers have that luxury. Oh, and I used some 12v electric wire I had around to pull the plate to the ladder. Being clumsy, but persistent I don't think string would have stood the strain. Ron, in beautiful Michigan In a message dated 8/18/2009 9:21:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, murray(a)sonic.net writes: I am installing a three step transom ladder, Windline TT-3X on my M15, same ladder as installed by Bob Eeg. Attached to the bottom rung is a nylon strap with a snap buckle at the end. When the ladder is stored, it is folded up with the bottom rung uppermost. The nylon strap goes from the topmost rung over the top of the transom and fastens on the other side. I have not seen any pictures of how the buckle is fastened to the cockpit side of the transom. I would appreciate a description of how the buckle is fastened or any pictures of the installed buckle. I know that I can count on this most knowledgeable group to come up with an answer for me.. Murray Wood M 15 524 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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