September 2007 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 55, Issue 15
by Flickasf＠aol.com 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

The Origo 1500 single burner with pot holders works great. In additon to the gasket that comes with the stove, I have added a piece of rubber cut from an inner tube over the top of the original gaskets. It helpls prevent evaporation. Bert ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: Love my M23
by Rmceagrella＠aol.com 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

Way cool Mark! Where are you moored? Wish I could have been there. Hope to sail with you soon...next Summer maybe??? Some SOB sawed the paddle lock, cut the hoses and felt justified in liberating my new Honda 4 stroke from Raven's transom while it was parked beside my garage, so haven't been out for awhile (this explains to you local guys why I haven't seen ya out there on Pend O'reille). Thanks so much for reminding me why I need to get back out there!!! Say Hi to Roberta and tell her we would sail the seven seas for another chance at her world famous cheese cake. Rick M23 Raven ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: Factory prepped for a big crossing....
by Bob Eeg 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

Hi Tim I don't think the owner is on this list. He is from Austria and lives in Namibia in Africa. He ordered the boat to be built to where we were ready to deck it; then he flew in for us to add his custom requirements. No engine. Were attaching custom oar locks on a sliding 1.25 inch genny track; watertight hatches, solar charging system, GPS, stainless opening ports..etc windvane (were working on the windvane project this week)..up size some of the cables, cover the rudder in glass..etc.. An interesting project. Later Bob -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Diebert <tim(a)timtone.com> >Sent: Sep 23, 2007 7:39 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: M_Boats: Factory prepped for a big crossing.... > >"We're building another Custom 17 for an Atlantic Ocean crossing. We'll get > > some > > photos of her when we finish installing the windvane. She has stainless > > opening ports and some custom work; upsized rig..etc. real neat looking so > > far. > > Fair winds > > Bob Eeg" > > > >>This just about snuck by me. > >This topic has my attention. Is the owner on this list? >This intrepid sailors plans would be fantastic to hear. > >The photos would be appreciated (at least by me) for sure....plus any other details once the project is done. > > > >Very cool. > > > >Tim Diebert M17 #369 'PUFF' > >Okanagan Lake, BC.....currently trying to squeeze as much as possible out of a fantastic (but waning) season. > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Boat Builder

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M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

The M23 for sale in Tucson AZ is STILL for sale for around $5000.00 with a roller trailer. She looks structurally sound although she needs a lot of cosmetics. This is a hell of a buy for someone. I went down and looked at her and damn near bought her as an investment, but ......well I have enough projects going and that might be pushing 'Jo a bit far! hahaha. The owner has people interested but no solid offers or down-payments yet. I SURE hope someone out there that understands how rare this boat is gets their hands on it and not just someone that wants a big 23 for $5000.00! Keep in mind that a new 23 would set you back a cool $65,0000 for the base boat. Had this boat come up for sale before I bought Dauntless I'd surely have purchased it instead. The email of the owner is _Clspark(a)aol.com_ (mailto:Clspark@aol.com) . I have spoke to the owner and he is a very nice fella and seems like a real straight shooter IMHO. Cmon guys...someone out there has to pick this old girl up! Happy Bidding! Sean ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: RE: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
by Bob Eeg 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

Gary... Am I missing something..?...I've seen dozens of older Montgomerys over the years and I've never heard or observed of problems with the stem-head fitting OR the rudder or compression post. Some occasional problems with the ballast/centerboard that needed attention; but considering some of these boats are now 32 years old, some repairs are to be expected. Sure, some problems may be caused by previous owners who failed to properly bed deck fittings or let a rudder sit out in the rain all winter but that is to be expected. What is amazing on these older boats is how structurally sound they are. No cracking, no delaminations, no soft spots. Quality counts. Bob -----Original Message----- >From: GILASAILR(a)aol.com >Sent: Sep 23, 2007 9:19 PM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer > >To the List, including someone who is not happy with their 'Montgomery >Experience' -that would be "Bill" . > >Bill, If you think the boat was so inferior on varying levels and from stem >(headstay attach to rudder) to stern - it looks like you learned a great deal >about what you want in a boat due to your experience with your Montgomery >Sailboat. That right there was worth the price of admission. Life is a learning >experience. > >Your J-22 (I have owned one # 89) has a rudder that is technically just as >'inferior' as the M-17 rudder! >I bet you sold your J-22 for a good amount. > >You seem to have made great strides in 'designer' names of the boats you >have purchased since then - you name Colgate, Kirby and Farr. Bill, How many >Colgate 26's have they built? Who constructed your Farr and Kirby ? Are they in >business today?, and trust me, those boats, ALL BOATS have their >idiosyncrasies, weaknesses and faults. Most are greater than the M-17s minor concerns. >(M-17, M-23 designer - The great - Lyle Hess) > >Please allow that Your Opinions, My Opinions and those of the Buyer who >pointed out all of the M-17 weaknesses are JUST OPINIONS - remember everyone has >one, and they are generally worth FAR less than what you pay for them. If the >buyer didn't slam your boat- he wouldn't be doing what made him feel >superior in the negotiating process now would he? My response to folk like that >(after having done the same myself for years) is to say "Well Mr. Bummer, it >looks like you really want another kind of boat because this one is not meeting >your high standards. Have you seen the Bayliner/Aquarius/Clipper for sale over >at the next Marina? Maybe they will satisfy your needs and meet your high >criteria. Thank You for looking at my boat - Have a GREAT DAY" > >Your 'Buyers' concerns are NOT FACTS! >Case in point - you are discussing a small boat - approx. 1550# unladen, >masthead rig- if the "poor headstay attachment" you refer to, is going to fail - >the headsail/halyard is MORE THAN capable of supporting the rig. The rudder >is IMHO a marvelous solution and I wouldn't be caught dead with any OTHER >version of a LAME kick-up rudder. Even the NEW IMPROVED models of Kickup rudders. > >I will not spend time on the comments about the winches, plastic fittings >and compression post - I think sir, the person needs a lesson in understanding >the loads the boat is subject to while sailing. If you want something that is >BOMBPROOF go buy a boat from the "recently auctioned for $85000 peanuts- >previously financed by wealthy investors- World Cruiser model Sailboat Company" >and try towing that thing around - or better yet, start calculating how much >fresh water tankage you need to make it to Catalina Is. from San Pedro on a >'slow' day. Oh I forgot, you will have to wait awhile while they get the World >Bruiser Sailing Vessel Company back up and running! I remember they used to >be quality boats, I truly hope they will be all that and more. But I don't >think they will build very many of them. > >For your grandsons sake, I hope his Sunfish wasn't built by the interim >builder of the 'New Deck Sunfish'. that there, that there is a weak boat - went >outta biz real quick - But then so did Alcort after many years, Chrysler etc. >And now a new Sunfish costs HOW much? >_http://www.teamvanguard.com/2005/base/content.asp?section=boats&dir=core&p… >(http://www.teamvanguard.com/2005/base/content.asp?section=boats&dir=core&pa… >&boatid=6) > Wow! I hope the VALUE of my Sunfish increases because of the >condition,location,demand and cost of replacement. But you know - it really doesn't matter >- because I didn't buy it as an "monetary investment" > >I have ranted more than enuf - IF you want something that meets all your >needs - BUILD IT. >The people on this list are here because they have an interest in a common >sport and notably a line of sailboats that have been well recvd by many people >- successful run in a VERY fickle business. >It would be nice if you respected the people on this list. But hey it is the >INTERNET and any monkey with a typewriter.......and some pee in his >cheerios............ > >Bill. You have a great day and may I suggest a nice sail in the morning. > >Gary O > >They will have to pry my cold dead fingers off the tiller of my M-17. >PS it is NFS. > > > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Boat Builder

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Price of a New Montgomery
by Scott Simpson 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

"A new Montgomery is still half the cost of a new car. (and more fun)" Fair winds Bob Continuing to add several after-market options to my new M17, means the cost of my "new car" is rapidly approaching $75,000! (good thing for me my wife doesn't read this stuff). Scott Simpson West of One 300 3rd Street, # 903 San Francisco, CA 94107 415. 328.2668 scott(a)westofone.com www.westofone.com

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Re: M_Boats: Love my M23
by Bob Eeg 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

Great story Mark, thanks.! Now post the video on YouTube. Smile. Bob -----Original Message----- >From: Roberta Dvorscak <edarts93(a)earthlink.net> >Sent: Sep 23, 2007 9:27 PM >To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: M_Boats: Love my M23 > >Time for a sailing tale! >I moved my M23 to a new marina on the Oregon coast this month. I have >enjoyed 4 great weekends of sailing. I'm not going back to that tame lake we >used to sail in. Yesterday, I took a non-sailing friend for the ride of his >life. We had cloudless blue skies with temperatures in the low 60s and a >fresh breeze screaming out of the north at 25 to 30 kts with gusts to 35 and >40. After we cleared the marina we raised a double reefed main and headed up >the river (the Coast Guard had the bar closed due to large breaking waves >rolling in). We were hard on the wind trying to claw our way up the river >against the outgoing tide. Progress was slow so I decided to raise the jib, >there was never a dull moment after that! We made pretty good time after >that but I had to sail her like a dingy with the mainsheet in my hand at all >times. The gusts hit with such tremendous force that I wound up constantly >playing the main. After we heeled past the 45° mark several times I decided >that the working jib was just too much (duh). I handed the tiller to my >nervous friend, told him not to worry the boat can take way more than we >can, and headed to the fore deck to bag the jib shouting steering >instructions back to my friend and hooting like a child on a carnival ride. >I dropped the jib into the cabin and headed back to the fore deck with the >storm jib. We got that up without incident and proceeded along nicely until >we lost a jib sheet in the middle of a tack. I don't know how the stopper >knot untied itself, but somehow the two jib sheets tangled and the windward >sheet whipped out through the block and started flailing around ahead of the >mast. Again, I hand the tiller to my friend, tell him this is all a normal >day of sailing, and head forward to retrieve the wayward sheet. My helmsman >had some difficulty controlling the tiller and jib sheet simultaneously so I >was on the foredeck with a wildly flogging jib and a flailing uncontrolled >sheet wrapping itself round and round the leeward sheet. It took some time >to catch it lose it catch it again and attempt to untangle it. I wasn't >entirely successful with the untangling process but I did manage to rethread >the sheet back to the cockpit and retake control of the boat. My greatly >relieved helmsman grabbed his cell phone and started shooting video to show >his children what a wild day he had. My friend was out with me because he >needed some time away from his marital troubles so I asked him if I was >doing a good job keeping his mind off his wife. He laughed and said he >forgot all about her the whole time he was at the helm. When we finally >turned and headed back down river on a broad reach he was amazed that things >quieted down so much. I looked down at the gps and we were holding a steady >7 kts for quite a while. My friend said "you don't really like going >downwind, do you?" I laughed and said "it depends". The main had the jib >blanketed so I dropped the jib downwind, but it sure didn't take long to get >back down near the marina. I decided to head back up river for a bit with >just the main to unwind a little before heading back in. It was a great day. >My boat handled everything that came her way (including all the skipper's >mistakes) without any complaints. I could honestly look my friend in the eye >and tell him that I never once was afraid, I had complete confidence in the >boat, and I knew we weren't in over our heads at any time. I learned a bit >more about how the M23 tacks with reduced sail and with no jib at all (she >likes to be snapped smartly through the tack so a 35 kt gust won't stall her >and turn her downwind instead). I also got to congratulate myself on the >wisdom of wearing sailing gloves on a blustery day (playing the mainsheet >could have been brutal without them). To top it off, as we motored back into >my slip my friend said "I think I'll start looking for a little sailboat, >that was a hoot". It was a great day and I am once again thankful that I >have been blessed with such a fine boat. By the way, no other sailboats left >the marina that day and my Montgomery 23 is just about the smallest boat >there. Thank you Lyle Hess and Jerry Montgomery, your boat brought the crew >safely to port again. With big smiles on their faces, I might add. >Mark Dvorscak >M23 #74 >Faith > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: RE: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
by Bob Eeg 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

Steve.....Thanks for the reminder...!...smile.. I remember those days well. It wasn't just the high interest rates (some boat loans were 16%..) But another problem was the Fuel Crisis. In a declining market caused by high interest rates and a Recession, we also had to contend with resin/fiberglass shortages along with price hikes for all Petro products. I used to drain fuel from my C-401B into my car so I could get to work. (no lines at the airport) We had an endless stream of laid-off boat craftsman applying for jobs. I remember having lunch with (the late) Buster Hammond who ran Islander Yachts. He said things were so tough they were decking Islander 36s before installing the engines because they didn't have the money (credit line) to buy the engines. All his dealers were going broke as well. Islander later went Bankrupt...(early to mid 80s I think)...along with several other boat builders. Not a good time to tool and market a new model. And you're correct; people always buy smaller boats. A new Montgomery is still half the cost of a new car. (and more fun) Fair winds Bob -----Original Message----- >From: "Steve R." <stever707(a)mail.saabnet.com> >Sent: Sep 23, 2007 5:05 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: M_Boats: RE: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer > >Few people, Jerry included, were able to sell boats when interest rates soared as high as they did in the early 1980s. Numerous firms went belly up. Jerry survived by focusing on smaller boats. > >Here is a chart from the Fed: > >Home Mortgage Rates (%): > >1977, 6.83 >1978, 9.06 >1979, 12.67 >1980, 15.26 >1981, 18.87 >1982, 14.85 >1983, 10.79 >1984, 12.04 >1985, 9.93 >1986, 8.33 >1987, 8.21 > >http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h15/data/Annual/H15_MORTG_NA.txt > >steve > >Steve R. >M-15 #119 >Lexington, KY > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
by Rotortom2＠aol.com 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

She is advertised on the Tucson Craiglist. Go to Boats and search M-23, you will find her there. Tom Woodworth M-17 "Wild Hare" ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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RE: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
by bownez＠juno.com 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

Tod, Just don't sell her! Bones

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