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Re: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
by Rmceagrella＠aol.com 23 Sep '07

23 Sep '07

Here, here Sean! 'nuff said. From the friend you met sailing the Islands. Rick M23 Raven ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
by Eeeisen＠aol.com 23 Sep '07

23 Sep '07

Sean, You are certainly right! We are not interested in giving away our fixed keel M-17. Maybe some day we'll be more interested in considering offers, but not anytime soon. We are still talking about the great sailing and the great people that we met on the San Juan Cruise. Those M-23s are great boats!! Love all that room. ( A woman's prospective) We are now back home in Texas waiting for the next cruise. Dorothy Motu iti ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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RE: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
by Bob Eeg 23 Sep '07

23 Sep '07

Bill.... Keep in mind that NADA and other bluebooks for boats require Dealers to report selling prices of boats on a quarterly basis. Those numbers in those books are 15 years old..! 1. Most Montgomerys get sold via private party. No reporting to NADA. 2. Our boats are sold factory direct. No reporting to NADA. 3. We have sold several newer model used Montgomerys and in the $15,000 to $18,000 range and NO reporting to NADA. (or anyone else) Once in a great while, someone gets some health issues or money problems and they end up selling their boats at a lesser price. Those deals are rare. Most people are prepared to wait for a buyer who knows what he wants and isn't going to grind away at the asking price. Used prices for older Montys have doubled the last 5 years. Asking people to lower the price only hurts everyone who has a Montgomery for sale. The value is there; the quality construction is there and nothing outsails a Montgomery. Bob -----Original Message----- >From: bill safford <free_willy62(a)hotmail.com> >Sent: Sep 22, 2007 2:41 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: RE: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer > > >Sean > >Some of the 17's I've seen advertised lately should take a page from Tucson 23's book. Asking prices are too high if your Montgomery is on the market more than 2 weeks. I offered $13,000 cash for a 2005 model M17 in June that later sold in August for $11,000. > >The average year model for 17's currently advertised on the net is 1980. The average ASKING price is $6,042. The average selling price is $3,472. The average NADA for a 1980 M17 is $2,058 to $2,297 (not including trailer or motor). The BUC Valu price for a 1980 M17 $3,850 to $4,450. > >M23's were never popular--nothing like the M17. And, the Montgomery market is quite narrow. Not everybody wants one. There are certainly better values if you're just looking for a good quality tailerable sailboat. A used Com-Pac or Nimble are way better values than a Montgomery--they just don't have the "look". Hunter and Catalina also make respectable boats and because of thier numbers are outstanding values. > >If you really want to sell that M17 today and you want cash and a fair offer--send me an email. I'll answer within 24 hours. But, be prepared to NEGOTIATE! > >Willy> From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:35:00 -0400> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer> > The M23 for sale in Tucson AZ is STILL for sale for around $5000.00 with a > roller trailer. She looks structurally sound although she needs a lot of > cosmetics. This is a hell of a buy for someone. I went down and looked at her and > damn near bought her as an investment, but ......well I have enough projects > going and that might be pushing 'Jo a bit far! hahaha. The owner has people > interested but no solid offers or down-payments yet. I SURE hope someone out > there that understands how rare this boat is gets their hands on it and not > just someone that wants a big 23 for $5000.00! Keep in mind that a new 23 would > set you back a cool $65,0000 for the base boat. Had this boat come up for > sale before I bought Dauntless I'd surely have purchased it instead. The email > of the owner is _Clspark(a)aol.com_ (mailto:Clspark@aol.com) .> > I have spoke to the owner and he is a very nice fella and seems like a real > straight shooter IMHO.> > Cmon guys...someone out there has to pick this old girl up! Happy Bidding!> > > Sean> > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >_________________________________________________________________ >Get the new Windows Live Hotmail! >http://www.discoverhotmail.com/Hotmail/Default.aspx?Locale=en-SG#2 >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 22 Sep '07

22 Sep '07

Sean, Am I correct in recalling the boat in Tucson (one of my favorite towns) has an 'Owner Completed" interior? If this is the case that may be some of the reason why it is moving slowly (or not at all). The boat appeared clean, the roller trailer is not my first choice but hey at $5000 +- it is a GREAT deal (we talked about getting divorced by our wives if we were foolish enough to 'bring it home'. As to the value of 17's - or any sailboat -they are indeed worth what the market will bear at the moment - these things are not a necessity of life, and there are plenty of them sitting in driveways and backlots! (got a line on a 198? m-17 down the street) To address 'Freewillie's' concern - after spending more than 30 years in the sailboat business - there was only one reason I bought expensive BUC and NADA sailboat pricing guides - because somebody else wanted to see one! They were usually shocked and dismayed by the listing of the product they had an interest in or owned - NO WAY it CAN'T be worth THAT! Depending on whether you are buying or selling, I didn't see many happy faces after they looked up their boat. Catalina - Good boat, many on the market - diluted value due to high inventory of resale. Hunter- fair boat - wacky styling and built at the other end of the country for this market - less inventory. Compac- Honest boat - but does not sail as well as ANY Montgomery. Check the resale prices of S2 6.7's, 6.9's and 7.9's yeah shoulda,coulda, didn't buy enuf of em did we? I think one needs to realize that a part of the value in these boats is - Cult inspired - probably well founded by the history of the product (Montgomery). Supply and Demand being what it is - see Cult history, and pricing of new boat compared to resale. Is the gasoline today worth 10X what it was in 1970? Same dinosaur juice - yes it is worth 10X and its a deal at that. Some of my musical instruments have appreciated 800% in the exact same time period as my M-17! Best method is to wait and find what you want, then strike the deal. The above is my "rant" based on 30+ years in the marine retail business selling sailboats including Catalina, Montgomery, Beneteau, S2, JY, Capri, Spirit, Reynolds, etc. If you want a used M-17 or 23 or 15 look at it like this - once you own one you are on the RIGHT side of the fence so to speak - and you can enjoy the 'value' of your boat! These are just toys. Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing Gary O M-17 #316a Team Geezer Racing...Old and in the Way. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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M-15 Spirit
by Scott Simpson 21 Sep '07

21 Sep '07

Good for you Ron! I'm happy to hear that you finally got your sails & cushions and are pleased with the quality. Bob e-mailed saying the cushions for my M17 are also finished and ready for delivery. I hope I can report the same positive experience as yours next week. Enjoy your fully-completed boat! Scott Simpson West of One 300 3rd Street, # 903 San Francisco, CA 94107 415. 328.2668 scott(a)westofone.com www.westofone.com

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M-15 Spirit
by judy casino 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

Dear Fellow Monty Owners and Admirers, Our new M15 "Spirit" is now fully furnished with sails and cushions. The sails arrived by UPS last week and Bob Eeg drove the cushions down to us on Sunday evening (thank you Bob, that was a very nice thing to do). Sails and cushions are both of very high quality. We still need to varnish the teak. Bob has recommended an oil-based polyurethane called "Defthane," and it does appear to be a good sealer/finish that is also pretty easy to apply. We just have to decide between Satin and Semigloss! We have a 2008 Honda 2 hp four stroke on order, and I am about to install flotation under the cockpit and in the forward part of the hull under the liner (through the forward-most storage hatch). These projects are labors of love, of course; and as I'm retiring in a few days, I'll have more than enough time to do them. Will keep you all posted on her first launch, which is probably a couple of weeks away. Regards, Ron C. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7

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Main slugs vs mast opening
by lester＠snowcrest.net 17 Sep '07

17 Sep '07

Hello all: On M15 Sirius, need input on how to manage mainsail slugs vs mast opening, probably discussed previously, but hoping owners of the NEWER M15s will respond with additional input. We take mainsail down and motor to mooring; without something closing off the mast slot the slugs fall out. On the newer M15 you can't hammer close and reopen the slot lower on the mast, as it is neither flared open nor a symmetrical slot. Have used the 'bungee around the mast' system to hold things up. I work standing on the cushions in the cabin and getting sail down, taming it and having it stack above the bungee at the top of the slot means I'm on tiptoes with big stretch at absolute end of my reach to do this. Any ideas for this? Thanks. Paula Lester --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using SnowCrest WebMail. http://www.snowcrest.net

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Main slugs vs mast opening
by Rick Langer 17 Sep '07

17 Sep '07

Paula, The issue before the latest Small Craft Advisor has an article on the subject which shows a fabricated gate that closes the slot opening. It's pretty simple, just two pieces of stainless plate riveted on each side of the slot. Frank Durant is working on fabricating a gate for his boat, so if your not in a hurry he'll probably work it out. Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:22:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: lester(a)snowcrest.net > Subject: M_Boats: Main slugs vs mast opening > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > <3086.66.53.186.252.1189977779.squirrel(a)webmail.snowcrest.net> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello all: > On M15 Sirius, need input on how to manage mainsail slugs vs mast opening, > probably discussed previously, but hoping owners of the NEWER M15s will > respond with additional input. We take mainsail down and motor to > mooring; without something closing off the mast slot the slugs fall out. > On the newer M15 you can't hammer close and reopen the slot lower on the > mast, as it is neither flared open nor a symmetrical slot. Have used the > 'bungee around the mast' system to hold things up. I work standing on the > cushions in the cabin and getting sail down, taming it and having it stack > above the bungee at the top of the slot means I'm on tiptoes with big > stretch at absolute end of my reach to do this. Any ideas for this? > Thanks. > Paula Lester

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Re: M_Boats: Main slugs vs mast opening
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 17 Sep '07

17 Sep '07

Do you possibly have the boom to low? When placed correctly the slot is just above the boom and gives no problem with reefing. The only time the stop comes out is when you put the sail on or take it off. I guess another way is installing a small strap eye in front of the mast...then thread a short bungee loop through and put those hard balls on each end that grab each other. The strap eye would capture the bungee and keep it fast and handy without being loose. There are variations of eyes and hooks that could be done this way. You can always do the hole with cotter pin through it. I have a 22'r done that way. It isn't exactly proper but it works and costs nothing. Someday I'll put a real stop in. bp ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: Main slugs vs mast opening
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 17 Sep '07

17 Sep '07

For under $10 you can buy a purpose made "track stop" that fits inside the slot and keeps the slugs in. Any marine supply can get one. It has a thumbscrew for easy removal to hank sails on or off. If you want to see several go to the westmarine dot com web site and put the keyword sail track stop in their search window. Another way is to drill a small hole through each side of the slot and insert a cotter pin in to bridge the slot. Bill P. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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