August 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

M-15 CB Repair
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

When John Harris owned #412 M-15 he did Centerboard repairs which were well documented with pictures. Look for album "M-15 Centerboard Repair" or follow the link, http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=275915&c=1789789&p=start&cr=1

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re: Pathogens and the law
by Steve R. 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

David, It is illegal to discharge raw sewage into coastal or inland navigable waters. It has been illegal since 1978, when the Federal Clean Water Act Amendments came into force. I have been told the fine is $5,000. I have also been told that the legal interpretation is that just about everything eventually drains into a navigable waterway, so a discharge almost anywhere may result in a violation of the CWA. In the late 1990s states were given the authority to declare Non Discharge Zones (NDZ) where the discharge of treated wastes is prohibited. There are strict standards as to what constitutes treated wastes. Like everything else, there are places where this is enforced vigorously. And places where it is not. http://www.epa.gov/region5/water/cwa.htm steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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Dinks & Flush Deck Brochures
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

Steve Schenkel sent me a disc with scans of old M-Boats Brochures. I've got a couple of them posted on the Photo Site. Flush Deck 17 with "Coyote" pictured and one of the M-Boats Dinks. I dont know exactly what year they are so I guessed 1975. If someone can correct that, please Email me on or off list. Go To: http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=277173&c=1789789&p=start&cr=1 And To: http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=277183&c=1789789&p=start&cr=1 or go to the lower left under "Maintenance & Modifications".

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Re: M_Boats: Boombox, etc.
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

In a message dated 8/19/2005 11:40:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, dwood(a)dwoodworks.com writes: Sorry. I guess I should see about some counseling too I used to backpack quite a lot and my older sister got me a "Bathroom" coffee table book called "How to shit in the woods". Sorry to bring all that up but I had mention the book because it says that urine is sterile and is no problem to add to the soil or plants anywhere. I suppose it would be prudent not to be to close to the nettles (that's a plant - ouch). My guess is that the fish may be a bit miffed, but it probably doesn't hurt anything unless you get cited for overexposure - ouch again I'm not signing this one.

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question for Scott
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

The following message was left on the Photo Site. Scott, if you'ld like to respond... "Hi there, I was admiring the site. I plan to take a boat out west to sail Vancouver Island northward. Scott Groemeter has an excellent article about cruising that area on the MSOG site. I have specific questions I would like to ask him. Is it possible for him to e-mail me his e-mail address so I could correspond with him?? If so fdurant(a)webhart.net thanks so much"

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Re: M_Boats: An indelicate subject
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

Here in the South, lime is used instead of sawdust. Often nothing's hauled away, either. Steve Tyree In a message dated 8/19/2005 1:14:07 PM Central Daylight Time, penokee(a)cheqnet.net writes: I've used a sawdust toilet in an outhouse at a friend's house. I say outhouse because it was out of the house, but it didn't have a pit like a traditional outhouse. He just lined a five-gallon bucket with a garbage bag (then it had a seat on top) and you'd toss in some sawdust after each use. After the bag got full he buried them in a deep, deep pit on his property. Not sure how ecological that was on account of the bags, but it all goes somewhere in the end, I guess. It's not like we don't throw a zillion plastic bags away every day anyway. Now, the outhouse wasn't right next to the bed like on a boat, but I will say it was a *lot* fresher smelling than the typical outhouse.

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Pathogens and the law
by David W. Wood 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

OK, so it seems pretty obvious that we're not going to be causing any environmental damage by Freeing Willy over the side. But what I'm really more interested in is the law. If I'm anchored in some cove for the night and hear the call of nature, will I be in placing myself in jeopardy should the county sheriff come cruising by while I'm flushing my bilge? Not much chance of that, I know. But all things being equal, I'd just as soon follow the regulations, if there are any. So does anybody know if there are any maritime laws about venting bodily fluids into inland waters, and if so, where one might go to get a look at them? Is this sort of thing different from state to state, or do the Feds have jurisdiction over my personal plumbing? Sorry if this is straying far afield from the usual M-Boats discussions. But this is something I've wondered about, especially on those days when the marina is a long way upwind. David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David W. Wood -=- dwood(a)dwoodworks.com 1981 M15 -=- Hull #163

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Re: M_Boats: An indelicate subject
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

Lime is simply finely ground limestone. Hydrated lime is heated, which changes it chemically and makes it more reactive. Way back when, sometimes farmers made their own hydrated lime over big wood fires. Incidentally, hydrated lime is what's sometimes used in conjunction with portland cement to make concrete. I think mainly what lime does in the privy is dry things out and render the environment toxically alkaline. Without bacterial growth, you shouldn't get any odors. Lime is very, very cheap if you go to an ag place like the farmer's coop. There's not much cheaper out there than rocks. Steve Tyree In a message dated 8/19/2005 1:14:07 PM Central Daylight Time, penokee(a)cheqnet.net writes: I'm still wishing I knew what it was we used on the river trip. Not sawdust. I thought it did something chemically to dessicate the #2 or something. I do think it was lime or something in combination with lime. And I vaguely remember reading a murder mystery (or was it the book Helter Skelter years ago) wherein a corpse was dissolved with lime (see now we're really getting indelicate!), so maybe there's something to it, chemically. Or maybe the lime is now known to be worse than the original material you're trying to dissolve.

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Re: M_Boats: An indelicate subject
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 20 Aug '05

20 Aug '05

In a message dated 8/19/2005 1:08:37 PM Central Daylight Time, hammerguy(a)mindspring.com writes: According to the book, if the contents are heated to 140 degrees, pathogens are killed and it's safe to bury. It seems to get almost that hot in my car when the windows are rolled up...maybe some kind of black bucket with a glass or plexi top? Still, I think I may opt for some heavy-duty plastic bags and a clandestine trip to a dumpster whenever possible. Unless you're sick, there shouldn't be any pathogens present in the first place. We've been conditioned to fear all microbes for the past few generations. In reality, there are very few pathogens out there, and most of those have a real hard time surviving outside the human body for any length of time, so don't worry; have fun sailing instead. Cheers Steve Tyree

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Re: M_Boats: Indelicate subject
by Frederick M Berthrong 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

Bill, Well spoken. I have from reliable sources confirmation of the sterile qualities of urine. Also of note, the NPS in the Grand Canyon REQUIRES that rafters and boaters pee in the river as opposed to on land. No. 2 requires "Oscar" the code name for a 5-gal bucket lined with a collection of plastic bags, one inside another. By collapsing one bag after each significant event one avoids almost all of the odor (but not all). A five day trip pushes the limit of Oscar. Professional guides use fancier potties but they aren't much better than Oscar. Fred Dulce M17 #300 On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:11:27 -0400 "William B. Riker" <wriker(a)mindspring.com> writes: > Okay, here's my take on #1. A few years ago, I read a survival > story about > people stranded in a desert who reverted drinking each other's #1. > Some > actually survived! Some didn't but it wasn't the #1. The author > consulted > a physician who explained that liquid waste for one person would be > waste > for another so the "recycling" wasn't doing much good. But, at > interest > here, is his explanation that the human kidney is very efficient. > Certain > chemicals will pass through, but urine is sterile. In other words, > no > bacteria or viruses will be present unless the donor has an > infection > downstream from the kidneys. > > So mine goes over the side. > > On heavier note, I have the M15-standard Thetford 135 and am often > amazed at > all the nights spent with my nose inches from the disgusting mess > contained > therein, with no hint of disgusting aroma. > > I will say no more. > > Bill Riker > M15 - #184 > Storm Petrel > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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