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Indelicate subject
by B. Mayer 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

Most of my M15 sailing has been day-sailing, on a lake in California. The first time I took the boat up there I was amused to find floating latrines, aptly named "S.S. Relief". You simply pull up along side and hop aboard! Bobbie

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Boombox, etc.
by David W. Wood 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

> I have to believe dropping solid waste in a lake is a no-no about > everywhere. Open ocean--different story. Yeah, I figured solid waste disposal was verboten. But what about, um, not-so-solid waste? Number 1? The stuff that makes yellow snow yellow? All that's left after those $5 martinis and 20-year-old port? Anybody got the, er, straight poop on that? Sorry. I guess I should see about some counseling too. David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David W. Wood -=- dwood(a)dwoodworks.com 1981 M15 -=- Hull #163

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Re: M_Boats: The Bucket
by JazzYachts＠aol.com 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

>>>>>>It has an ancient marine head below, right smack under the center of the V-berth. All kinds of scary looking old hoses, and no holding tank. It does have a lot of keen looking bronze cylinders, plungers, levers, and the like though :-) >>>>>>>>>> Those old marine heads are Truly Horrifying to maintain.

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The Bucket
by JazzYachts＠aol.com 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

Yes, 'tis indelicate, but a welcome discussion among users of very small boats. The Folkboat Chimpanzee II has a bucket with a toilet seat on top. Even before I got the boat in the water, I bought a nice chemical head. I didn't get around to installing it, so I used the bucket all last Fall. NOW, I think I'm going to keep using the bucket. It's convenient and clean. The formula is to dip some water into the bucket, then pour in a slug of the same head chemical you use in the porta-potties. When you're done, overboard it goes, discreetly. The bucket tends to stay perfectly clean, but it has a lid, anyway. At age 33 I'm probably more environmentally conscious than most. But I and other "green" people I know have no compunction about pitching it overboard, as long as you're not in a crowded anchorage where people might be swimming, etc. (On the Chesapeake, anchorages like that tend to be near places with marinas and their free heads and showers. I go ashore there.) I stopped worrying about the issue years ago, when an environmentalist friend pointed out the quantity of unfiltered waste that went into the water courtesy of the Canadian geese who make the Chesapeake their home. If I ever get a bigger boat (god forbid) with a holding tank, I do think that's an even better solution, as pump-out stations are available everywhere these days. Cheers, John

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Re: M_Boats: Boombox, etc.
by JazzYachts＠aol.com 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

Studying the reports on the Boombox and ancillary supplies, I've got to say that that sounds better even than the humble bucket. I think I'm going to look into that system for the Folkboat. Cheers, John

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Boombox, etc.
by David W. Wood 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

Thanks for the info on the Boombox, Tom. Since the v-berth space on my old M-15 doesn't seem to accommodate any of the newer porta- potties, that (with the Wag Bags) seems like a good alternative. And at the risk of descending even lower down the scatological ladder, I have a question about ecologically correct boating that I have not seen addressed anywhere. To put it bluntly: Is it OK to pee over the side (to leeward, of course) while sailing on an inland lake? My guess is that it's probably against various state and/or federal laws. But I'm just looking for confirmation here. And yes, it was a hoot sailing with our resident photo maven, Bill Lamica yesterday. He told me that he felt like my M-15 actually out- performed his (now Tom's) M-17. But I kept telling him that it probably just felt that way because he was so much closer to the water. :-P David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David W. Wood -=- dwood(a)dwoodworks.com 1981 M15 -=- Hull #163

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RE: M_Boats: Galley of Jtb
by Tom Smith 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

It's not an indelicate topic at all Rachel. As it happens, I used to guide raft trips on the Main Salmon mid-70s through mid-80s, and we used a big ammo box with a seat jerry-rigged for comfort. The Boombox (http://www.eco-safe.net/) is set up to wash out like a camper or RV toilet, but I use bio-degradable Wag bag human waste disposal kits (http://www.wagbags.com/) inside the box rather than contaminate the container. I buy the bags at an outdoor-type store in my area. They are a bit pricy, about 3 bucks a pop, but they're good for a few days. I just twist the bag closed with a wire tie after each use, push the bag down into the box and secure the screw-on lid. The bags are bio-degradable, which means you can drop them into a vault toilet or a dumpster or our your neighbor's trash can legally. Each bag has a powder inside that gels the waste. It works well. Of course you have to set it up (a minute maybe) and break it down after use, but that's easy. t Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rachel Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:16 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Galley of Jtb Hi Tom, > > I carry a portable crapper called a boom box rather than the potti > that came with the M15... > We use it for extended whitewater trips on rivers were carrying out > all waste is a requirement... I'd like to hear more about this (sorry if it's a bit indelicate...). I've been considering the simple bucket for my next boat (not a Monty, but still space-challenged and the head is in some prime real estate right now). I was remembering back to my whitewater days, during which I took a raft-supported trip down the Salmon River and we used 5-gallon buckets. We used some sort of mixture (lime?) that we sprinkled in to the bucket between uses and it actually wasn't too hideous. I mean, the first person to use the bucket has it just fine, but assuming you can't immediately jettison the contents, then what? This powder kind of ... stabilized things since in that case we actually had to use each bucket until it was full. Of course a smaller container would be much better for a small boat with one or two people on it... So, I'm curious to know more about the boom box, and also if you use the powder I remember and what was it, actually? I never knew. In the case of the river trips (in case anyone's still reading ;-), we had to pack *everything* out, so we just used the buckets until they were full, then put the lid on and ran a bead or two of duct tape around the joint between lid and bucket, just for extra security. Then we started a new bucket... And to think I was writing about ice cream and 20-year-old port just yesterday :-) --- R. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Galley of Jtb
by Tom Smith 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

The wagbag www address I sent is wrong. It's www.thepett.com t Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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RE: Re: M_Boats: Galley of Jtb
by Tom Smith 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

I carry a portable crapper called a boom box rather than the potti that came with the M15. We use it for extended whitewater trips on rivers were carrying out all waste is a requirement. It's fairly compact (about the size of Connie's k-mart tool box) so it stores almost anywhere. That leaves the space beneath the v-berth where the traditional potti goes free for other things. It would be perfect for a galley of the type we've been discussing for the M17. It could be built to drop into the recess the potti occupies for security. If you took this approach you wouldn't have to lose any berth space. I know drop-in facilities like this aren't for everyone, but I think this is a viable aproach. Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of tynerjr(a)gmpexpress.net Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 6:21 AM To: Craig F.Honshell; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: Re: M_Boats: Galley of Jtb ----------------------------------------------------------- Use http://www.onspeed.com/?A=web2mail to transform dial up connections to near broadband speed. Reccomended by Web2Mail ----------------------------------------------------------- Yes, John Harris did something similar, but the galley he made (fiberglass and plywood) fit in place of either of the underberth access covers on his/my M-15. It held a propane burner on the galley surface with the bottle hanging underneath, had an opening for the valve, a small cutting board, and slots cut in the plywood for storing plates, utensils, etc. Looks very nice, and I have a file somewhere with photos and text I created for, but which never made it on, the MSOG site. Unfortunately, when in place you lose the berth, and have to do something with the berth cushion (like leave it home), so it appears only practical for single-handing. It's too tall to turn upside-down and store within the berth (and stuff would fall out anyway), which I think would be ideal. You'd still have to do something with the berth cushion when you set up the galley, though. If you're reading, John, correct anything I've got wrong, as I've never actually used the galley or sailed with it in pla ce. Ask John about it when you see him at the wooden boat show (whoever that was going), and I'll e-mail the file to anyone wanting it if you'll e-mail me offline at tynerjr(a)gmpexpress.net. John Tyner > > Chimpanzee's former owner did something very similar to that, didn't he? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Smith > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:58 PM > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Galley of Jtb > > I like the idea of being able to move the galley around Rachel, even > off > the boat if necessary. I've also thought of building a galley that > drops in where the porta potti fits on the M15, which is better use of > that space IMHO. t > > Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle > M15/345--Chukar > M17/496--Unnamed > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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M-15 test sail...
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 19 Aug '05

19 Aug '05

Hi All, Seems lots of people on the list are independently getting the twofootupitus and trading in their M-15 for the M-17. Must be a national epedemic. And here I am going the otherway. Special thanks to David Wood and M-15 "Margarita" for my test sail yesterday. Just for information... when I first sailed the M-15 with Bob Becker two years ago, I was most recently familiar with the Potter 15 and was delighted in the M-15. This time however, things were different. My most recent boat to compare against is #496 M-17. The P-15 was absolutely no comparrison and I wrote a most derogitory report on the P-15 while speaking very highly of the M-15. Here's my feelings today about the M-15: Jerry M... you did good! David & I sailed for a couple of hours on Southern Oregon's Howard Prairie Lake with white caps and near 20 knot winds. We didn't bother to reef and hiked out as far as possible to keep her flat and flew across the lake. David says he felt a little cautious when he first got Margarita, but after seeing how she gets into the groove, and handles the heavy winds, has become confident in her abilities. We had a great time and I'm certain now, I'll be ordering a new M-15. Fortunately I'll be borrowing Margarita while I'm in Oregon as the Monty Factory is backordered a number of boats . Just as well, this gives me the time to decide on what options to get and how I want her outfitted. Someday I'll make a list of the reasons why the M-15 is better for me and post them. Until then as everyone knows, the best boat is the one that suits "you" best. Bill www.msog.funtigo.com

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