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RE: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1
by John L. Gonzalez 02 Aug '05

02 Aug '05

Subj: RE: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1 Christian, I have a new M-15 (628, delivered in Jan.), and she's a piece of cake to rig and derig. I have a CDI roller furler, which requires a bit of effort to control during mast raising and lowering. But, the roller furler eliminates hanking on the jib, and makes for easy setting and dousing of the jib. To rig, it takes me 20 minutes, and I don't try to move fast. To derig, it takes me 15 minutes. I keep my main on my boom, which I carry on my trailer, down by the right wheel (it takes too much effort and time to fit the boom into the cabin, in my experience). I keep my rudder in the cabin. I keep my sidestays attached, and use velcro strips to keep the roller furler fast to the mast. I keep my boat in my garage. To allow her to fit in my short, not deep garage, I had to shorten the forward mast crutch, and I have to unpin the forestay/roller furler from the mast hound and slide the roller furler back along the mast, such that the roller furler drum is even with the foot of mast at the forward mast crutch. The loose footed main performs well, and it's easy to adjust her via the outhaul and my added on boom vang. Fine choice of boat, Christian! Sincerely, John -----Original Message----- From: johgonzalez48(a)sprintpcs.com [mailto:johgonzalez48@sprintpcs.com] On Behalf Of John L. Gonzalez Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:07 AM To: John Gonzalez Subject: FW: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: 8/2/05 6:13 am To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subj: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hawaii (jiminy) 2. RE: galvanic (Tom Smith) 3. RE: galvanic (htmills(a)bright.net) 4. Re: Re: Hawaii (Craig F. Honshell) 5. Re: galvanic (Craig F. Honshell) 6. Re: Re: Hawaii (Larry E Yake) 7. RE: M15 setup (cdfusselman(a)frontiernet.net) 8. Re: RE: M15 setup (Rik Sandberg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: jiminy <jiminypricket(a)yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Hawaii To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20050801184852.80044.qmail(a)web30709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Craig, I own a 17' montgomery, hull #35 with a fixed keel. She's named "Rail Rider" and is berthed at Kaneohe Marine Corps Base Marina, I'm in the navy. The only other montgomery I know of here is a 15' that is at keehi small boat harbor. I think that one has been up for sale now for over 6 months. -Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:19:54 -0700 From: "Tom Smith" <tsmith(a)nextit.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: galvanic To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BB38C5E6C3D048489CCDEAD474C5406880ACF2@pslap> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I use permatex as well. Regardless of brand however, the higher the copper content the better. Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/064--Unnamed I use COPPER ANTI-SIEZE lubricant from Permatex. It has worked well so far but I haven't been using it long enough to claim a good test. The stainless screws have been in the aluminum boom for 2 1/2 years - so far no signs of corosion. Thanks Doug --- "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> wrote: > > I'm assuming you use that stuff on the threads to prevent galvanic > corrosion, right Doug? What do you use? Thanks, Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Kelch > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:20 PM > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Jiffy reefing system > > Sandra, > > Tod has the link correct. I did not install the cheek block in the > picture. I did put the pad eye in front of the cheek block in for the > second reef point. I do not use pop rivets. I use self taping > stainless steel screws with a corosion preventing grease on the > threads. > > Thanks > > Doug Kelch > > --- htmills(a)bright.net wrote: > > > Sandra, > > > > Perhaps you are thinking of Doug Kelch's funtigo site? > > > > > http://www.funtigo.com/dkelch?b=215326&p=start&c=1802951 > > > > Tod > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:23:54 -0400 From: <htmills(a)bright.net> Subject: RE: M_Boats: galvanic To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <002401c596e7$b4401ec0$d19ddb42@HTM031103> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" two other options are: tef-gel duralac No idea which is the best option, although someone on the Tartan list recently favored duralac. Tod Mills M17 #408 BuscaBrisas -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.comm m] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: galvanic I use permatex as well. Regardless of brand however, the higher the copper content the better. Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/064--Unnamed I use COPPER ANTI-SIEZE lubricant from Permatex. It has worked well so far but I haven't been using it long enough to claim a good test. The stainless screws have been in the aluminum boom for 2 1/2 years - so far no signs of corosion. Thanks Doug --- "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> wrote: > > I'm assuming you use that stuff on the threads to prevent galvanic > corrosion, right Doug? What do you use? Thanks, Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Kelch > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:20 PM > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Jiffy reefing system > > Sandra, > > Tod has the link correct. I did not install the cheek block in the > picture. I did put the pad eye in front of the cheek block in for the > second reef point. I do not use pop rivets. I use self taping > stainless steel screws with a corosion preventing grease on the > threads. > > Thanks > > Doug Kelch > > --- htmills(a)bright.net wrote: > > > Sandra, > > > > Perhaps you are thinking of Doug Kelch's funtigo site? > > > > > http://www.funtigo.com/dkelch?b=215326&p=start&c=1802951 > > > > Tod > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:21:37 -0400 From: "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Hawaii To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <001701c596f8$27f37690$894db3cf@D89X0M51> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Excellent, Jeremy, thanks for the reply! Also great to read that one of the early fixed-keelers is still sailing. Must be fabulous sailing the islands. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: jiminy To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: M_Boats: Re: Hawaii Craig, I own a 17' montgomery, hull #35 with a fixed keel. She's named "Rail Rider" and is berthed at Kaneohe Marine Corps Base Marina, I'm in the navy. The only other montgomery I know of here is a 15' that is at keehi small boat harbor. I think that one has been up for sale now for over 6 months. -Jeremy ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:24:14 -0400 From: "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: galvanic To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <002001c596f8$85b032a0$894db3cf@D89X0M51> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd like to know more about galvanic corrosion, if any M-List metallurgists can explain: Why would copper prevent galvanic corrosion between steel and aluminum, and why wouldn't copper cause galvanic corrosion to both? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Smith To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: galvanic I use permatex as well. Regardless of brand however, the higher the copper content the better. Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/064--Unnamed I use COPPER ANTI-SIEZE lubricant from Permatex. It has worked well so far but I haven't been using it long enough to claim a good test. The stainless screws have been in the aluminum boom for 2 1/2 years - so far no signs of corosion. Thanks Doug --- "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> wrote: > I'm assuming you use that stuff on the threads to prevent galvanic > corrosion, right Doug? What do you use? Thanks, Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Kelch > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:20 PM > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Jiffy reefing system > > Sandra, > > Tod has the link correct. I did not install the cheek block in the > picture. I did put the pad eye in front of the cheek block in for the > second reef point. I do not use pop rivets. I use self taping > stainless steel screws with a corosion preventing grease on the > threads. > > Thanks > > Doug Kelch > > --- htmills(a)bright.net wrote: > > > Sandra, > > > > Perhaps you are thinking of Doug Kelch's funtigo site? > > > > > http://www.funtigo.com/dkelch?b=215326&p=start&c=1802951 > > > > Tod > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:09:16 -0700 From: Larry E Yake <leyake(a)juno.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Hawaii To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Cc: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20050801.200916.1024.9.leyake(a)juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeremy, We'd love to hear the history of your boat. How long you've owner her, where she came from, how she got to Hawaii, etc., if you'd like to share. Larry On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:48:52 -0700 (PDT) jiminy <jiminypricket(a)yahoo.com> writes: > Craig, > > I own a 17' montgomery, hull #35 with a fixed keel. > She's named "Rail Rider" and is berthed at Kaneohe Marine Corps Base > Marina, I'm in the navy. > > The only other montgomery I know of here is a 15' that is at keehi > small boat harbor. I think that one has been up for sale now for over > 6 months. > > -Jeremy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 01:42:56 -0400 From: "cdfusselman(a)frontiernet.net" <cdfusselman(a)frontiernet.net> Subject: M_Boats: RE: M15 setup To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20050802014256.pus8coc4kos48wo8(a)webmail.frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I'm going to buy a new Montgomery 15 next year. I sail a larger boat now and want to downsize... I've heard the M15 sets up pretty quickly. Any thoughts on how long it takes to set up and take down from your experience would be appreciated. I guess the new ones have a loose footed main any thoughts on that change? I'm looking forward to being an M15 owner and have enjoyed reading all the posts here. Thanks for your input. Christian Fusselman ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:12:41 -0500 From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: M15 setup To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <42EF7149.5070607(a)earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Christian, Once you have put a little thought into how you set your boat up for trailering, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to set her up in 15 or 20 minutes. You will only have 3 mast stays and the only stay you really need to disconnect for trailering is the forestay. We have a "Johnson lever" on our forestay and that makes setting up and taking down without stay adjustments every time, very quick. The side stays remain attached all the time and are held in place with a single bungie to the bow pulpit when we trailer. We store our boom with the sail on it in the cabin. The halyards and topping lift are all tied back to themselves and tied up snug on their cleats. The trolling motor and rudder also go in the cabin. We have a short mast carrier that fits in the rudder gudgeons. I put in a plug at the rear of the cockpit so hooking up the wiring for the motor is a 10 second job. The first few times you set up, it will probably take a bit longer. But, as you do it more and get practice, you will figure out easier ways of doing things and get the right little lines and bungies made up so everything just fits nice and goes quick. I like the loose footed mains'l. I've been thinking about having one made for our Flicka too. Much simpler. Rik cdfusselman(a)frontiernet.net wrote: >I'm going to buy a new Montgomery 15 next year. I sail a larger boat >now and want to downsize... > >I've heard the M15 sets up pretty quickly. > >Any thoughts on how long it takes to set up and take down from your >experience would be appreciated. > >I guess the new ones have a loose footed main any thoughts on that >change? > > >I'm looking forward to being an M15 owner and have enjoyed reading all >the posts here. > >Thanks for your input. > >Christian Fusselman > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1 ***********************************************

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New Material
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 02 Aug '05

02 Aug '05

Hi All, I'd sure like to post pictures of the M-17 "Rail Rider" (in Hawaii) on the Photo Site. I'll bet most of us have never seen a fixed keel M-17 and would love to see the shape of the keel. Anyway, I did ask to be included for pictures when Rail Rider (great name for a Monty) is pulled for bottom work next time. Randy Graves sent me two discs of the refit of his new M-17 and of the recent NW San Juan Islands cruise. The latter disc had photos from several of the cruisers. It will be a challenge to pick the best shots to create an album. In addition, I've been busy clicking away. I've added a second page to "Tipperary" and will be posting more pics soon. Thanks for all the words of encouragement... Bill

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M15 setup
by Rick Langer 02 Aug '05

02 Aug '05

I nuerotically time myself each time I launch. My best time, so far, is 18 minutes from the time I step out of the truck to the time I get back in ready to put the boat in the water. I don't rush. My setup includes boom with main, jib and outboard. I leave the rudder until the boat is in the water. Packing up the boat, after the a sail, seems to be key in how quickly you can set it up the next time. I leave as much in place as possible. My last time out I noticed a partially flat trailer tire upon pulling the boat out of the water so I packed up as quickly as I could (8 minutes). When I got home I stepped the mast. I had quite a mess for the time I saved and while rushing I keep thinking I was forgetting something. I still have not figured out what it was that I forgot. Rick Langer M15 #337 Hudson River

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Hawaii
by Larry E Yake 02 Aug '05

02 Aug '05

Jeremy, We'd love to hear the history of your boat. How long you've owner her, where she came from, how she got to Hawaii, etc., if you'd like to share. Larry On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:48:52 -0700 (PDT) jiminy <jiminypricket(a)yahoo.com> writes: > Craig, > > I own a 17' montgomery, hull #35 with a fixed keel. > She's named "Rail Rider" and is berthed at Kaneohe > Marine Corps Base Marina, I'm in the navy. > > The only other montgomery I know of here is a 15' that > is at keehi small boat harbor. I think that one has > been up for sale now for over 6 months. > > -Jeremy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: Hawaii
by jiminy 02 Aug '05

02 Aug '05

Craig, I own a 17' montgomery, hull #35 with a fixed keel. She's named "Rail Rider" and is berthed at Kaneohe Marine Corps Base Marina, I'm in the navy. The only other montgomery I know of here is a 15' that is at keehi small boat harbor. I think that one has been up for sale now for over 6 months. -Jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Priest Lake trip report
by Larry E Yake 01 Aug '05

01 Aug '05

Just got back from another week of sailing Priest Lake. No grounded boats, lost skippers, jet-ski rescues, or stormy waters this year. Just a lot of great sailing and beautiful relaxing evenings watching the sunsets and then the stars. Anchored out each night. (I use an 11# Bruce copy with 12' of chain and up to a couple hundred feet of rode. Usually much less.) Spent the week alone, with my wife joining me on the weekends. According to my GPS, I traveled 134 nm, 120 of which was sailing, and much of that was while reefed down due to the strong gusty winds which started at 10:30 each morning and ended abruptly at 4:00 each afternoon. Priest gets real rough when the winds are strong, but the good thing is that chases all the power boaters to shore. Combined with the San Juan / Gulf Island trip and a couple other weekends, that's around 400 nm and 23 nights aboard in the last 2 months. (Sailing season is short here in the Inland Northwest. Gotta cram it in.) When I talk about living aboard a boat, my wife jokes that I already am. This spring, I built a set of hinged cabin doors which I am really enjoying when staying aboard. Those hatchboards are good for what they do, but are a real hassle when going in and out of the cabin a lot. I'll send some updated pictures of Tullamore to Bill Lamica to post for those who are interested. Those of you who were on the list last year may remember my report on the grounded boat and the lost sailor. His body was never found. During the search of the cold depths of Priest Lake with side scan sonar and remote submersibles they did find TWO other bodies. One apparently a drowned sailor from 20 years ago, and another from 5 years ago who was riding in a boat being towed and wasn't in the boat when they got to the end of the lake. Can you imagine? Getting a tow from somebody, falling out of the boat, and then watching helplessly as they drag your boat away oblivious to your plight? Larry Yake M17, #200 Tullamore

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