August 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

RE: M_Boats: re: Pathogens and the law
by Morris, Giles 22 Aug '05

22 Aug '05

As I understand it... It is, indeed, illegal to discharge untreated sewage from any container into water inside the 3-mile limit. But it is not illegal to discharge it without the benefit without the benefit of a container. In other words, you can piddle (or whatever) into the water, but mustn't use an intermediary container -- which would presumably include using a funnel. A Google search on the name Peggie Hall, who used to run Peal Products, would show a lot of helpful links. No-discharge zones also prohibit the discharge of treated sewage. It seems as if the problem in the Chesapeake Bay isn't pathogens so much as nitrogen nutrients. Oddly enough, I've noticed that the millions of chickens teeming around the Chesapeake in farms all over the Delmarva peninsula do not usually wear diapers. The farmers must have trained them to use the bathrooms. It couldn't end up in the water, could it? Giles Morris

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Thanks for the info Jerry
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 22 Aug '05

22 Aug '05

Thanks for the info about the 23's, Jerry. I have just put a deposit on #83 in Florida. We have been searching for a 23 for a long time. I recently traveled all the way to San Francisco to look at the one that is for sale up there as well. I sailed on Monty's all through growing up. A mutual friend of ours (David Klug) was a dealer here in Lake Havasu and had a couple of 15's, 17's and a 23 which I loved. Now that I am a lot older (probably not too much wiser though!) I am finaly going to get my 23. We are having a trailer built for it right now at Pacific and in November will travel to Florida to bring her home. Thanks for making such a great boat!

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Re: M_Boats: Masthead?
by chbenneck＠juno.com 22 Aug '05

22 Aug '05

Hi Scott, I concur. When I rebuilt my mast using a Dwyer section, the old Jerry mast top fitting did not fit the new mast. I had bought the new Dwyer mast top fitting, but preferred to use the old, original one. So, I carefully cut the sheaves off the Dwyer mast top base, cut the old sheaves from the original mast top base, and put the Dwyer mast top fitting and the old Jerry fitting together, for the best of both worlds. While I was at it, I moved the hole for the forward sheave forward by a little more than 1 X hole diameter to stay in solid metal. The reason was, I wanted the main halyard to have clearance at the top of the mast, and not be dragged over the mast corner. I wanted it to come off the sheave and lead freely down the fore side of the mast. It took a bit of machining, but I accomplished my aim. The Dwyer fitting fits in the top of the mast, as designed, while on top of it sits the old Jerry fitting, giving me larger sheaves, and now a free lead downward on the fore side of the mast. Connie.

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Re: M_Boats: Boombox, etc.
by Harvey G Wilson 22 Aug '05

22 Aug '05

>>So they bring special water bottles to pee in (don't get confused!), and for #2 they wrap it in tinfoil and carry it out. These "packages" are known as burritos.<< Hi Rachel... My Canadian friend who did border patrol/interdiction duty in Bosnia did essentially the same. Dunno if they had "water bottles", but they did pack out #2...dunno what they called it <VEG> Harvey/ Ga

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Boat cover for M-15
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 21 Aug '05

21 Aug '05

Bob Hogin sold Hogin sails last year. I am betting that Margaret at the *old* Hogin Sails made your cover. I believe she did Rich Cotrell's M-15 cover as well. She is no longer there. The new Hogin Sails was looking for a canvas person last I heard. I don't know if they kept any of the old templates/designs. Scott In a message dated 8/20/05 10:55:31 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com writes: >Jim: >I had a cover for my M15 custom made from Sunbrella by Hogin Sails >1807-D Clement Ave. Alameda CA 94501 >510 523-4388. I trailered my boat to the sail maker and they measured it > >and made a pattern. The cover goes over the bow pulpit down over the bow > >and stern and halfway down the sides of the boat. There is a seam with > >fasteners running up the center line of the boat with the cover >extending up the base of the mast and tied around it. They probably >still have the patterns from which they can make a cover for you. >Murray Wood >M15 #283 > >Jim Sadler wrote: > >>Any suggestions on where to ge a cover for M-15? >>I am in San Diego but could do mail order >> >>Thanks >> >>Jim Sadler

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storage cover fabrics
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 21 Aug '05

21 Aug '05

Ditto Rachel's comments on better fabrics for storage covers. My Flicka has a full mast-up cover made entirely from Top Gun. It has seen many seasons of continuous use, and is showing virtually no signs of wear. It is much easier to clean, doesn't absorb stains or bird droppings, and is much tougher/chafe resistant overall. It is also totally waterproof--even when washed with a high-pressure nozzle. A surprising benefit of this fabric (as compared to Sunbrella) is that is folds very compactly (counterintuitive given its heft and weight). My entire three-piece cover folds very flat and compact. My friend's comparably sized sunbrella cover is huge by comparison. Also, the manufacturer claims that Top Gun actually breathes. I was skeptical about this, but then I have never experienced any condensation on the inside. I like Sunbrella for weather cloths, dodgers, sail covers, etc., but I wouldn't use it for a storage cover after having one made of Top Gun. I recently bought some additional matching Top Gun fabric to make additional sand bags, and found it to be comparable in price to Sunbrella. Scott M15 #478 PSC Flicka #392 In a message dated 8/20/05 10:55:31 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com writes: >I just have one comment here, on the Sunbrella. Although it's a >fabulous fabric - I ordered some in Erin Green to patch a bit that had > >been on a cruising boat for at least 10 years and the color matched >perfectly; that's saying a lot as the boat had been in Mexico's hot sun > >- it is very vulnerable to chafing. As such, I would probably look >into something like Top Gun (doesn't come in as many colors but is very > >chafe-resistant) or something similar for a boat cover, especially if >you might trailer with the cover in place. There is a lighter version > >(less heavy I mean) of Top Gun (Odyssey?) that might be fine for an >M-15. > >Not that Sunbrella can't work - especially if you cover chafe-prone >areas with Stamoid or something similar, but if I were starting from >scratch... > >www.sailrite.com has good info on the properties of the various >fabrics and their suitability for various boat projects, and if you >decided to order from them they're great folks. I like their paper >catalog for reference. > >--- Rachel > >Fatty Knees 7' #302 >Former owner, M-17 #334 >Former owner, M-15 #517

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question for Scott
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 21 Aug '05

21 Aug '05

Bill, Thanks--I e-mailed him direct. Scott In a message dated 8/20/05 8:18:25 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com writes: >The following message was left on the Photo Site. Scott, if you'ld like >to >respond... >"Hi there, I was admiring the site. I plan to take a boat out west to sail > >Vancouver Island northward. Scott Groemeter has an excellent article about > >cruising that area on the MSOG site. I have specific questions I would >like to ask >him. Is it possible for him to e-mail me his e-mail address so I could > >correspond with him?? If so fdurant(a)webhart.net thanks so much"

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Re: M_Boats: Masthead?
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 21 Aug '05

21 Aug '05

The Dwyer masthead definitely did not fit the older (Jerry-supplied) non-Dwyer mast section of a 1984 M-15 I worked on. I do not think it would fit my 1991 vintage M-15 either. I would suspect that the same might be true of the older non-Dwyer M17 mast sections. I bet Jerry would know for sure. Scott M15 #478 In a message dated 8/21/05 9:04:29 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com writes: >Anybody: Would the Dwyer masthead currently used by Nor'Sea for the new >Montys fit >the old mast?

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Masthead?
by jiminy 21 Aug '05

21 Aug '05

Hey folks. I was wondering if anyone knew where i could get a new masthead for my M17. Were they the same since the beginning? Mine is hull #35, so as expected, my masthead has... problems. several places, the holes are widened about a size or two larger than they should be, and it looks like someone, at some point, filled in the original holes and drilled new ones for the stays. Oh, and people wanted to know how "Rail Rider" got to hawaii. I asked the marina manager (whose sister used to own the boat) and he said that she had "bought it off some marine" that was stationed at Kaneohe bay. That was probably 5 years or more ago. I am guessing that I'm the first person to do anything to it besides get a new sail (done 2 owners ago). I just got new chainplates fabricated by a machinist here, it cost $160 for all 4. I think I will get all new turnbuckles and wires, to go with my new masthead (if you all help me find one) and spreader brackets. So, please help! Thanks, jeremy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Monty 23
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 21 Aug '05

21 Aug '05

I am currently in the process of purchasing a 1980 Monty 23 after a long search. Can anyone tell me accurately how many of these Jerry made? I have heard numbers like 20 or so, but the two 23's I have looked at have hull numbers in the 70's and 80's. Also, any ideas where I can get a replacement centerboard pivot pin? Thanks, Sean

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