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Re: M_Boats: RE: SF Bay sailing
by Saltm17＠aol.com 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

I sailed my M17, Miss T in SF Bay for four days last summer and had a very enjoyable time. There is an area called the slot where winds can get to 30 ks mid day (or possibly more) but maxed out at about 25 Ks while I was there. You may want to talk with someone who has sailed the area in a wider variety of conditions, but my experience was that the winds were very steady and didn't shift around much at all, and the waves were regular. I would think a M15 would be able to handle it without any trouble with ordinary precautions. John Edwards

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RE: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question
by Hughston, Larry 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Hmmm. A rough road. I need to sandblast and paint the trailer so I think I will attempt to block up the hull. Much is left to do. Thanks. ---L -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Yeargain [mailto:saltydog@ev1.net] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question My CB freed up while on the trailer by my loosening the pendant and traveling a rough stretch of highway Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question > Bob, I have tried that but it appears frozen after four years of > disuse by the previous owner. I think will have to lift the boat off the trailer > entirely and work on it (safely) in that condition. -----L M-15 hull # > 189 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob [mailto:Bobeeg@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:24 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question > > > Larry > You should be able to pull the centerboard line and ' bump' the board > up a bit while on the trailer. Bump it up and down about 1/4 inch. > > Hughston, Larry wrote: > > >Brian, On my M-15 I have not yet tested to see if the centerboard > >drops. I just got this M-15 a few weeks ago and needs some minor but > >time consuming work before I launch. My question is, should I be > >concerned about visible rust coming through the gelcoat at the > >centerboard pin? Is this replaceable or should I not worry about it? > >This Monty has been in a good deal of salt water in the San Diego > >area by > the previous owner. > > > >Thanks for any information on this. Larry, hull # 189, Sacramento. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Brian Ripley [mailto:brian_ripley@yahoo.com] > >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:55 AM > >To: jvandrey(a)pocketyacht.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > >Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question > > > > > >I replaced mine while anchored. It took a few dives, with nothing > >more than a face mask, but wasn't too difficult. It would have been > >even easier if I had realized early on that the end of the rope > >needed to be decored in order to get it to fit in the hole in the > >centerboard. > > > >Brian Ripley > >'88 M15 > >Roseville, CA > > > >--- Jobst Vandrey <jvandrey(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > >>How does one inspect and change the painter on the M15's > >>centerboard? > >> > >>Can this be done on the trailer, or does it require use of a travel > >>lift. > >> > >>Thanks for any insights > >> > >>Jobst > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > >_______________________________________________ > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > >_______________________________________________ > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: RE: SF Bay sailing
by Hughston, Larry 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Hm, Out there with big boys. It's been decades since I sail just a couple of time on a "rental dog"....got caught in the ebb tide for about 3 hours going from Tiberon to Angel Island. I need to take some navigation and safety (in the Bay) classes. Not ready for the Bay just yet. ---Larry ---- hull # 189 -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Allgrove [mailto:gordonallgrove@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:34 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: SF Bay sailing Yes, I have. Typically 12 meter or larger. Sometimes wet berthed in Brisbane (West side of the Bay) or the Brickyard on the East Side. I/We used to get requests from foreign Business visitors to sail in the 'Pacific Ocean'. That is technically past the one mile Buoy. On an ebb Tide (evening after work situation), you can blow right through the Golden Gate (it is helping you 'big time'). However if it is still an Ebb tide when it is time to go home (guests are tired and ready to get sleep), then you'll be using full motor throttle to make headway. So Please Pay attention to the tides through the Golden Gate. Staying inside the Bay is fine in fair weather. I just had an invite to 'stick my head into the office at Port of Redwood City. I used to sail out of Pete's harbor quite a bit also (takes forever to reach open water). So Enjoy!! ga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Ripley" <brian_ripley(a)yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: M_Boats: RE: SF Bay sailing > While I haven't sailed the M15 in the SF bay I have sailed a 35 footer > and a 26 footer > out there. I don't see any reason why the M15 couldn't handle it. Strangely enough > the only time my mast touched the water was on Folsom; normally a > pretty placid lake > but it sure was white capping that day. I only had the main up at the time; I can't > remember if it was reefed or not. The iron genoa got me off the lake > soon after > playing with lay downs. > > In some ways I would think the bay would be better than an inland > lake. Wind driven > waves are more predictable than water skier generated chop. > > Brian Ripley > '88 M15 > Roseville, CA > > --- "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> wrote: > > A far braver man than I captain. Have you done any sailing on the > > SF bay > > with the big boys ? That is my goal after adequate training. > > ----LH. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Ripley [mailto:brian_ripley@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:43 AM > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Subject: RE: M_Boats: M-15 Boat Review > > > > > > Larry, > > > > The Thetford PP 135/235 is a perfect fit in the M15. I believe > > there is a > > slight gap between the pottie and the plywood cover when everything > > is in > > place. I see there is even a marine model 735 that has hold down clamps; of > > course that isn't necessary in the M15 since, as hard as I've tried, > > I haven't been able to turtle it. I did manage to put the mast down > > on the > > water once; I was so impressed with how well it came back up that I sheeted > > in and layed it down again; the head was never an issue during all > > this. > > > > Brian Ripley > > '88 M15 > > Roseville, CA > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: M-15 Boat Review
by Hughston, Larry 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

A far braver man than I captain. Have you done any sailing on the SF bay with the big boys ? That is my goal after adequate training. ----LH. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ripley [mailto:brian_ripley@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:43 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M-15 Boat Review Larry, The Thetford PP 135/235 is a perfect fit in the M15. I believe there is a slight gap between the pottie and the plywood cover when everything is in place. I see there is even a marine model 735 that has hold down clamps; of course that isn't necessary in the M15 since, as hard as I've tried, I haven't been able to turtle it. I did manage to put the mast down on the water once; I was so impressed with how well it came back up that I sheeted in and layed it down again; the head was never an issue during all this. Brian Ripley '88 M15 Roseville, CA --- "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> wrote: > Brian, > > I want to get the Thetford 135 for my M-15 but does this model allow > you put the plywood cover and cushion in place and level with the > starboard and port berths? --Larry, hull # 189, 1981 model > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Ripley [mailto:brian_ripley@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:46 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Boat Review > > > My '88 M15 still has its original Thetford Porta Pottie 235. The 235 > has the same dimensions as the 135 with the addition of a locking lid > and a level indicator on the waste tank. The level indicator is > pretty handy for knowing when to empty but the locking lid probably > doesn't add much since the head is fit so snugly in its place. > > Brian Ripley > Roseville, CA > > --- Jerry Montgomery <jmbn(a)innercite.com> wrote: > > Originally tooled for the Porta Potti 35, which became obsolete a > > year > > or two later, replaced by the PP 135. At that time I re-tooled the > > floorpan to fit the 135. Don't know if they still make the 135 or > > not. > > > > You can fit the 135 into the early pans by heating the head and > > forcing it in; I used a hair dryer but others claim good results by > > filling it with hot water. > > > > Jerry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> > > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:15 AM > > Subject: RE: M_Boats: M-15 Boat Review > > > > > > > Jerry, as you know by now I am the new owner of hull#189 M-15. > > > Can > > > you tell me which portapotty fits in that space? It seems VERY > > > short if I > > want > > > to place the plywood and cushion back over the portapotty. Thanks for > > > making a very sturdy little boat. I am still "dry > > > sailing"....it's > > > great! ----Larry H. Sacramento > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question
by Hughston, Larry 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Good advice, thanks all. ----L. M-15 hull #189 -----Original Message----- From: doug [mailto:dougl20002001@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:57 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question Larry I went through a similar experience this spring after purchasing my m-15 in January. The boat had not been sailed for 3 or 4 years and when I got it home to Nebraska from Houston, the board would not deploy. I took it to the local sailboat shop with a hoist and lifted the aft end to try to pry the board out. It turned out that the 4 little nuts holding the main sheet block to the plank above the drain had backed off and washed into the drain and therefore the center board trunk. As you well know, the space between the board and the trunk is next to nill. After much prying and cussing we got the nuts out and the board deployed. A few weeks later, I left the boat uncovered on the trailer one night and it rained. The next time out the board would not deploy. After 2 or 3 hours in the water, whatever was binding in the trunk was flushed out and the board deployed. I now keep the boat covered or in the garage at all times and also fashioned a screen cover for the drain. Anything that does find itself in the cockpit and washed down the drain gets caught by the screen. I agree with Bob, the first thing I would try would be to sail it and hope after awhile the board will deploy. Actually, I was amazed at how well it sailed without the board deployed. If after an afternoon on the water the board still doesn't deploy then look for someone/someplace with a lift/hoist. Also you might want to get underneath and try a preasure sprayer. You Don't actually have to have that much room. Have fun and be careful. I also tied a knot about a 1/2 inch before full deployment so the board sits on the knot and not the CB pin. I don't know if this affects performance or is a silly precaution but I feel better not having it ride on the pin. Have fun Doug --- Bob <Bobeeg(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > You might try putting her in the water first. > Sometimes the water will lubricate the board and > loosen up > those nesting mud dobbers. > > Bob > > Hughston, Larry wrote: > > >Bob, I have tried that but it appears frozen after > four years of disuse by > >the previous owner. I think will have to lift the > boat off the trailer > >entirely and work on it (safely) in that condition. > -----L M-15 hull # > >189 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Bob [mailto:Bobeeg@earthlink.net] > >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:24 AM > >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > >Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question > > > > > >Larry > >You should be able to pull the centerboard line and > ' bump' the board up a > >bit while on the trailer. Bump it up and down about > 1/4 inch. > > > >Hughston, Larry wrote: > > > > > > > >>Brian, On my M-15 I have not yet tested to see if > the centerboard > >>drops. I just got this M-15 a few weeks ago and > needs some minor but > >>time consuming work before I launch. My question > is, should I be > >>concerned about visible rust coming through the > gelcoat at the > >>centerboard pin? Is this replaceable or should I > not worry about it? > >>This Monty has been in a good deal of salt water > in the San Diego area by > >> > >> > >the previous owner. > > > > > >>Thanks for any information on this. Larry, hull # > 189, Sacramento. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Brian Ripley [mailto:brian_ripley@yahoo.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:55 AM > >>To: jvandrey(a)pocketyacht.com; For and about > Montgomery Sailboats > >>Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question > >> > >> > >>I replaced mine while anchored. It took a few > dives, with nothing more > >>than a face mask, but wasn't too difficult. It > would have been even > >>easier if I had realized early on that the end of > the rope needed to be > >>decored in order to get it to fit in the hole in > the centerboard. > >> > >>Brian Ripley > >>'88 M15 > >>Roseville, CA > >> > >>--- Jobst Vandrey <jvandrey(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>How does one inspect and change the painter on > the M15's centerboard? > >>> > >>>Can this be done on the trailer, or does it > require use of a travel > >>>lift. > >>> > >>>Thanks for any insights > >>> > >>>Jobst > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>__________________________________ > >>Do you Yahoo!? > >>Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > >>http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > >_______________________________________________ > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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RE: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question
by Hughston, Larry 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

You just answered my "SF Bay sailing" question. Thanks, L -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ripley [mailto:brian_ripley@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:10 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question My M15 has never tasted salt water so I haven't had those worries. Centerboard pin maintenance is a good topic for Jerry; or, come to think of it, it has probably already been covered in the archives. I am guessing that the pin can be removed by knocking off the gelcoat covering the end of the pin but I have never had to do it. I would think this would be more of a fix on failure item as long as the board still pivots and the pendant is still attached. The centerboard trunk on my M15 sits right on top of a trailer roller which is good in that you won't accidentally drop the centerboard while on the road but it makes it more difficult to maintain. I think I managed to inspect mine on trailer once by putting floor jacks under the back of the trailer and pushing the boat back just far enough to clear the roller. Be very careful! Brian Ripley '88 M15 Roseville, CA --- "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> wrote: > Brian, On my M-15 I have not yet tested to see if the centerboard > drops. I just got this M-15 a few weeks ago and needs some minor but > time consuming work before I launch. My question is, should I be > concerned about visible rust coming through the gelcoat at the > centerboard pin? Is this replaceable or should I not worry about it? > This Monty has been in a good deal of salt water in the San Diego area by the previous owner. > > Thanks for any information on this. Larry, hull # 189, Sacramento. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Ripley [mailto:brian_ripley@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:55 AM > To: jvandrey(a)pocketyacht.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question > > > I replaced mine while anchored. It took a few dives, with nothing > more than a face mask, but wasn't too difficult. It would have been > even easier if I had realized early on that the end of the rope needed > to be decored in order to get it to fit in the hole in the > centerboard. > > Brian Ripley > '88 M15 > Roseville, CA > > --- Jobst Vandrey <jvandrey(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > How does one inspect and change the painter on the M15's > > centerboard? > > > > Can this be done on the trailer, or does it require use of a travel > > lift. > > > > Thanks for any insights > > > > Jobst __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question
by Smith, Tom 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

I agree with Brian, if it hasn't failed, don't worry about it. If the position of the knot in the cb lanyard has been mentioned, forgive my noting that this knot is key to keeping the cb deployed at the proper depth. If the knot is not placed correctly, the cb hangs on the pivot pin, works against the leading edge of the cb trunk, and eventually beats the pin out of its housing. Bad. t Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Porta Potti
by Steve R. 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Some sailors need a powerful blow dryer. Alas, some do not. I filled mine with warm water and assumed the user position. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY "Jerry Montgomery" <jmbn(a)innercite.com> wrote: ... I used a hair dryer but others claim good results by filling it with hot water. Jerry

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RE: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question
by Hughston, Larry 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Brian, On my M-15 I have not yet tested to see if the centerboard drops. I just got this M-15 a few weeks ago and needs some minor but time consuming work before I launch. My question is, should I be concerned about visible rust coming through the gelcoat at the centerboard pin? Is this replaceable or should I not worry about it? This Monty has been in a good deal of salt water in the San Diego area by the previous owner. Thanks for any information on this. Larry, hull # 189, Sacramento. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ripley [mailto:brian_ripley@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:55 AM To: jvandrey(a)pocketyacht.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 and Centerboard Question I replaced mine while anchored. It took a few dives, with nothing more than a face mask, but wasn't too difficult. It would have been even easier if I had realized early on that the end of the rope needed to be decored in order to get it to fit in the hole in the centerboard. Brian Ripley '88 M15 Roseville, CA --- Jobst Vandrey <jvandrey(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > How does one inspect and change the painter on the M15's centerboard? > > Can this be done on the trailer, or does it require use of a travel > lift. > > Thanks for any insights > > Jobst __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: M-15 Boat Review
by Hughston, Larry 22 Jul '04

22 Jul '04

Brian, I want to get the Thetford 135 for my M-15 but does this model allow you put the plywood cover and cushion in place and level with the starboard and port berths? --Larry, hull # 189, 1981 model -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ripley [mailto:brian_ripley@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:46 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Boat Review My '88 M15 still has its original Thetford Porta Pottie 235. The 235 has the same dimensions as the 135 with the addition of a locking lid and a level indicator on the waste tank. The level indicator is pretty handy for knowing when to empty but the locking lid probably doesn't add much since the head is fit so snugly in its place. Brian Ripley Roseville, CA --- Jerry Montgomery <jmbn(a)innercite.com> wrote: > Originally tooled for the Porta Potti 35, which became obsolete a year > or two later, replaced by the PP 135. At that time I re-tooled the > floorpan to fit the 135. Don't know if they still make the 135 or > not. > > You can fit the 135 into the early pans by heating the head and > forcing it in; I used a hair dryer but others claim good results by > filling it with hot water. > > Jerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:15 AM > Subject: RE: M_Boats: M-15 Boat Review > > > > Jerry, as you know by now I am the new owner of hull#189 M-15. Can > > you tell me which portapotty fits in that space? It seems VERY > > short if I > want > > to place the plywood and cushion back over the portapotty. Thanks for > > making a very sturdy little boat. I am still "dry sailing"....it's > > great! ----Larry H. Sacramento __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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