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Any Info on Mystic CN Area
by Saltm17＠aol.com 09 Sep '03

09 Sep '03

I'll be headed for Mystic area the week of Sept. 22. Does anyone have local information about launching ramps? safe areas to leave a truck and trailer? great areas nearby to cruise? Of course anyone who can sail along is sure welcome. A Maine update: Lobsters are great, and it is very good to see Miss T (the original) again. On Saturday, Sept 13, I plan to launch Miss T (the sailboat) in Southwest harbor and cruise around Sommes sound, Northeast Harbor, and that area. It would be great to have company for all, or part of the trip. John Edwards Miss T M17 # 372

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Re: M_Boats: Do we need a compass anymore?
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 09 Sep '03

09 Sep '03

Never forget the basic skills. When your calculator breaks down, can you still do long division? Yes, you need a compass.

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RE: M_Boats: cloudy compass
by Smith, Tom 09 Sep '03

09 Sep '03

Hi Dale. Got the chunk 'o stuff you sent. Thank you. Won't get a chance to try it until this weekend, but I'll be sure to let you know what happens. I got a suggestion to use toothpaste. I'm going to combine that idea with Jerry's beer suggestion and rub with toothpaste and rinse with Molson. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: NummiJ(a)aol.com [mailto:NummiJ@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:49 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: cloudy compass I polish watch crystals all the time. I use "crystal Kleer " to polish them, do you want to try some? I have a little chunk I'll send you if you have a buffer. I have in the past also used Poly watch scratch remover it is a paste that you rub on. I am all out of that but I can order you a tube when I order more. Dale _____ This message was scanned for viruses.

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RE: Honda 2HP - montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7
by Harvey Wilson 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

Hi Don.. >>Has anyone else had their Honda gas cap fall off?<< I've had the gas cap on my "new" (to me) Seagull fall into the drink when I first mounted it on Stargazer. I essentially did as you did and poured in a pint and covered the opening with a baggie. That pint took me out of the slip, then back in after the sail was over <GG> Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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RE: Fenders - montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9
by Ludlow, Don 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

Randy: My storebought fenders rest in the locker under the bunk for those raft-up occasions. My working fenders are made from red "noodles", those foam tubes used by swimmers. I found one 4" OD with a 1/2" hole in the middle, cut into 18" long pieces, and ran some 1/4" poly rope through the holes. I used some 3/4" plastic washers at each end with a retaining knot at each end. Made up four of them and they fit in the cockpit lockers with the mooring lines. The red color matches my M-15 stripe. I attach them to some SS eyes screwed to the outside of my teak toerail at 3 ft intervals amidships. They work very well. My tiller tamer is a homemade plastic jam cleat on the underside of the tiller connected to a Bungie cord strung across the stern from SS eyes. One end goes through a hole in a short teak block, around the eye, and back to another hole in the block. This acts a a tension device. When I heave to, to raise or lower the sails, I stow, or unstow the fenders. Fair winds Don Ludlow M-15 Sweet Dream -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 8:21 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How to handle fenders when single-handed sailing? (chbenneck(a)juno.com) 2. Re: 17 center board (ron and cathryn goodspeed) 3. Re: Blocks (ron and cathryn goodspeed) 4. Re: Do we need a compass anymore? (n9ca) 5. M15's on Lake Coeur d' Alene, ID (GaryM.Hyde) 6. How to handle fenders when single-handed sailing? (Honshells) 7. Re: Do we need a compass anymore? (GaryM.Hyde) 8. RE: Honda 2HP - montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7 (Ludlow, Don) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:28:43 -0400 From: chbenneck(a)juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to handle fenders when single-handed sailing? To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20030907.143329.2052.2.chbenneck(a)juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Randy, When I go out sailing, as soon as I'm out in clear water, I put the boat on autopilot (my bungee cord to tiller system), and remove the fenders. My fenders - depending on length of sail, and number of people on board - have two stowage positions. If my wife is along, or the grandchildren, fenders go into the port sail locker, to clean up the cockpit floor area. If I'm sailing by myself for just an hour or two (and it's pleasant sailing - no rail under, etc.) I just leave them on the cockpit floor, at the aft end of the cockpit. There they are out of the way; but can be reached easily when I head back in to my slip at the marina. Connie ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:59:39 -0700 From: ron and cathryn goodspeed <rcgoodspeed(a)mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 17 center board To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <32451D1E-E176-11D7-9424-00039358A95E(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hello Dik, We took our M17 and hung it from the rafters in the shop using nylon web holddowns and some old wheels nested and tackwelded together. Blocked up the trailer about 15 inches using a floor jack, hooked into the aluminum toe rail, dropped and remove the trailer, slide the stands under the keel and nail/bolt some "wishbone struts" from the chainplates to the rafters so she wil not tip. Bottom PREP is the worst part, I think professional soda blasting might be the best way to go- the rolling is easy. There must be some clever boater our there who could write instructions for an NC mill to machine a bronze CB out of flat stock using the latest NACA foils. I single handed out of Richmond a ways the other day, first attempt at single handing in fact, it went well taking one turn around the opposite winch then behind [the large end] of the jamb cleat then across the cock pit to the unused cleat on the high side- I need more practice at switching te sheets and tiller behind my back! Just two more trips to the Bay before pullout- boohoo. Ron and Cathryn Goodspeed M17 "hula pie" #025 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:24:28 -0700 From: ron and cathryn goodspeed <rcgoodspeed(a)mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Blocks To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <A9CDBCC0-E179-11D7-9424-00039358A95E(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hello Dale, Pickup some Davis "Air-Flow" telltales for the jib- they include a guide to the location of the snatch blocks along the aluminum toe rails for the best sail shape. We find the Davis "Shroud Telltales" excellent also. The really trick solution would track with cars, sheaves and cams on P&S, mounted inboard. Does any one use a barberhaul for tighter jib sheet angles? Ron and Cathryn Goodspeed 1974 M17 "hula pie" #025 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 17:46:20 -0400 From: "n9ca" <n9ca(a)comcast.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Do we need a compass anymore? To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <007901c37589$79be7480$14e13b44(a)andrsn01.tn.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MessageGPS affected by weather? LORAN, for sure, but GPS? I use GPS in Carpe Ventum (M-17 # 604) , and also in my Formula One racer, and have been fortunate enough not to have had weather affect it. Maybe it's because I only fly when the sun is shining;), ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve McClellan To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Do we need a compass anymore? I totally agree with Stephen about the GPS vs. Compass, and use a GPS constantly on my M15 -- the only thing I'd like to say is this: I know that there ARE certain weather conditions when a GPS does not work -- and they happen typically to be exactly the conditions when you may not be able to navigate by sight. So don't throw the compass away unless you only go out for short trips in clear weather. O ~~~~~~~~~_/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steve McClellan M15 #152 Chicago, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Boat lifting rack pictures
by Larry Yake 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

There have been several questions recently regarding ways to raise a Monty off her trailer for bottom and centerboard work. I had to do this last year, and I had some pictures on hand, so I sent them, along with a description of the process, to Doug to post on the web site. If you don't want to spend the money for a boat lift, or don't have one available, and have to do the project outside at home like I did, you can view one method at www.msog.org under How-To. Larry

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Re: M_Boats: How to handle fenders when single-handed sailing?
by Larry Yake 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

While sailing with Tom a couple weeks ago we had a good time joking about the "landlubbers & greenhorns" who left their fenders out after leaving the docks. Until we forgot ours once. Larry On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:45:18 -0700 "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> writes: > Why did I know Larry was going to contribute his two cents on this > subject? t > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle > Sandpoint, Idaho > M15-345, Chukar > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Yake [mailto:leyake@juno.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:52 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to handle fenders when single-handed > sailing? > > > Hi Randy, > > Well it's about time you quit dragging those fenders around the > lake! > ;-) Sounds like what you really need is some version of a tiller > tamer > system so you can let go of the tiller to take care of things like > that > when you need to. There should be lots of ways to do that listed in > the > archives. > > Larry > > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:02:16 -0700 "Randy Graves" > <RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu> > writes: > > Friends, > > > > Does anyone have any good ideas of how to handle the fenders when > > > single-handed sailing? For ease and convenience I have been > leaving > > them attached while under sail. I would like to come up with a > > handy way to deploy and retrieve without letting the boat get away > > > from me in the process, or having them roll around in the cockpit > > > all day. Any ideas? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Randy Graves > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > This message was scanned for viruses. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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RE: How to handle fenders when single-handed sailing?
by Shawn Boles 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

I have 2 flat fenders that drop over the winches when at dock. I put them over the cleats to sail out, take them off as soon as I clear the docks and drop them in the port lazerette (sp) – when returning I reverse the process. cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: Randy Graves [mailto:RandyG@cite.nic.edu] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 8:02 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: How to handle fenders when single-handed sailing? Friends, Does anyone have any good ideas of how to handle the fenders when single-handed sailing? For ease and convenience I have been leaving them attached while under sail. I would like to come up with a handy way to deploy and retrieve without letting the boat get away from me in the process, or having them roll around in the cockpit all day. Any ideas? Thank you, Randy Graves

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RE: M_Boats: RE: Honda 2HP - montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7
by Smith, Tom 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

I haven't lost the cap, but I have noticed another problem related to it... The vent on top of the cap will clog up, and without that vent clear, the motor stops. Most disconcerting when you really need the motor. Disassembling the vent and cleaning it is now a springtime maintenance chore. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Ludlow, Don [mailto:LudlowD@BEK.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 6:15 AM To: 'montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com' Subject: M_Boats: RE: Honda 2HP - montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7 Hi all: Returning from a sail this Sunday (the first time I got to sail "Sweet Dream" with a reef in the main - She sailed like a champ with only the slightest bit of weather helm in the NE 15 Kt wind), as I motored to the dock my Honda 2 HP 4 cycle ran out of gas (you would think that for a thousand bucks they could put in a gas gauge). I was pushing it but singlehanding with the heavy chop, I didn't want to stop and bend over the transom to pour in gas. I took off the gas cap, letting it dangle to the side on the retaining chain and reached for the gas can when the gas cap dropped into the water. The retaining chain came loose. I quickly poured in a pint of gas, wrapped a plastic baggy around the top of the tank and fired her up just before drifting into some pilings. Has anyone else had their Honda gas cap fall off? Don Ludlow M-15 # 620 Sweet Dream -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:16 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: cloudy compass (John Fleming) 2. Wet core (Honshells) 3. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 (Derfsails(a)aol.com) 4. Re: cloudy compass (Jerry Montgomery) 5. M23 (Honshells) 6. Honda Maintenance Issue (Steve & Diana Parsons) 7. Do we need a compass anymore? (Stephen Martin) 8. Older M17 Mast (Honshells) 9. Re: Honda Maintenance Issue (Wcpritchett(a)aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:19:26 -0700 From: John Fleming <jfleming1231(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: cloudy compass To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <3F59523E.8050605(a)earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Tom, Don't despair. There is a product that does the job. It's not cheap, but it works. I believe it can be bought through West Marine. If not West Marine, then I must have got it from Sporty's, an aviation/pilot supply catalog. I used it to restore my Saturn bulkhead compass which was badly scratched, making it almost unusable. After I followed their directions, it brought the compass back to complete clarity. The product is called Nuvo-Shine Plastic Polishing Kit. The cost stamped on on the side of the box is $30. Here are the other particulars: www: nuvo-shine.com Address: Squadra Nuvolari, LLC 255 G Street Suite 250 San Diego, CA 92101 619/544-9450 If the compass lens is not too badly scratched or faded, you can try three of Meguiar's products, which you may find at auto parts stores, or once again at West Marine. They are: Mirror Glaze 18 Clear Plastic Detailer, 17 Clear Plastic Cleaner, 10 Clear Plastic Polish. I tried these first, and they were unable to work out the deep scratches on my compass lens, so I had to buy the Nuvo-Shine product. Hope this helps. John Fleming '82 M-17: "Star Cross'd" Smith, Tom wrote: > I have a bulkhead mounted compass that's apparently never had a cover > on it and it hazy. Is there a plastic polishing compound or method > anyone can recommend that might help? > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:01:07 -0400 From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: Wet core To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <003001c37433$e2b87780$b963b3cf@ajrogers> If I understand the literature correctly, if you use the epoxy-fill approach you used for your other fittings, that should solve the problem, whether the core is completely dry in that spot or not. I've read of people drilling a series of small holes, then setting up a suction system to leach out moisture, but it doesn't sound like your situation is serious enough for such a drastic cure. Your 21-days in the sun treatment seems as if it would completely dry the area in question, anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Martin" <jonmartin666(a)msn.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: M_Boats: Wet core I have an area on the cabin top of my M15 about the size of a silver dollar that has a wet core. There was a fitting screwed on to the cabin top, and I removed it and drilled out the hole, and wet wood came out. I drilled about a half-inch hole, and picked out all that I could get to. Anoyther hole above and one below were dry. I have left these holes open for about three weeks now, in the hot sun (about 95 degrees). Is this enough to sufficiently dry it out? Any ideas on what I might do? I have removed all of the fittings, drilled out the holes and filled with epoxy, then redrilled and replaced each fitting. I only found the one spot that was wet. Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:35:05 EDT From: Derfsails(a)aol.com Subject: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <93.32a8ee44.2c8b90e9(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Mark, You may want to talk with Bob Eeg, as the 23 I have purchased from him does have a bronze center board. We are scheduled to put the mast up and check the center board this coming Monday then put it in the water on Tuesday. Fred Shelley derfsails(a)aol.com

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RE: M_Boats: How to handle fenders when single-handed sailing?
by Smith, Tom 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

Why did I know Larry was going to contribute his two cents on this subject? t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Larry Yake [mailto:leyake@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:52 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to handle fenders when single-handed sailing? Hi Randy, Well it's about time you quit dragging those fenders around the lake! ;-) Sounds like what you really need is some version of a tiller tamer system so you can let go of the tiller to take care of things like that when you need to. There should be lots of ways to do that listed in the archives. Larry On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:02:16 -0700 "Randy Graves" <RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu> writes: > Friends, > > Does anyone have any good ideas of how to handle the fenders when > single-handed sailing? For ease and convenience I have been leaving > them attached while under sail. I would like to come up with a > handy way to deploy and retrieve without letting the boat get away > from me in the process, or having them roll around in the cockpit > all day. Any ideas? > > Thank you, > > Randy Graves > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses.

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