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Some M17 Questions
by Smith, Tom 17 Jan '04

17 Jan '04

Good morning fellow Montgomery owners. I recently purchased an M17 and have several questions, but none so pressing at this; when sailing the boat yesterday, I discovered that what the former owner said was true, namely that this particular M17 takes water in through the top of the CB trunk, where the CB pendent drops through. Even in what I consider pretty tame conditions (8-10 knots of wind and mild chop), a fair amount of water spouts up through the hole. When viewed from above, it certainly appeared if if the trunk was full to the top with water, which seemed odd to me, but maybe normal. I say that because the M15 cockpit actually drains through the trunk. The boat is a '75, and the cb works freely and was deployed yesterday. Simply stuffing a rag into the hole solves the problem, but I wondered if anyone else had experienced this phenomenon. Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar

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M17 line drawings
by wayne yeargain 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Jerry If you are still intrested I'd like to try to intregate your cad drawings with my system and complete any areas necessary to get a complete plan & elevation drawings. My boat is a '76 M17 and I can take measurements for items that are not on your drawings. Let me know what you think Contact me off line at saltydog(a)ev1.net Wayne

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M17 line drawings
by wayne yeargain 14 Dec '03

14 Dec '03

Hi Jerry: Sorry your e-mail bounced, don't know why it did that - I am at the same address, must have been a gremlin in the wire. Any way thanks for the M17 line drawings, I got them today, & am going to start some drawings right away. I'll send you and any one who is intrested, some copies when I'm done. Had my M17 out Sat. about 10knt wind and it just romped along like the throughbred it is......... life is sweet. Happy sails Wayne

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RE: M_Boats: stiffeners and the M17 mainsheet
by Smith, Tom 19 Oct '03

19 Oct '03

These stiffeners--I call them stringers--appear elsewhere in the older M17s besides the cabin top. They're aft on the hull beneath the cockpit too, running parallel to the lapstrake. This has probably been discussed, and I've talked offline with a couple people about it, but has anyone changed the main sheet arrangement on the M17 (the older models with the track just behind the bridge deck--I know sheeting's been moved back on the later models)? The M15 mainsheet is mid-boom sheeted too, but the sheet also runs back to the boom-end and then to a yoke across the transom. I like this setup (even though the yoke and sheet can foul under some circumstances) because I believe it distributes the main sheet stresses and provides additional mechanical advantage (maybe I'm wrong on this point--it just seems easier to sheet the main in on the M15). The M17 boom is considerably stressed and I have to think the track and cockpit floor are too. Additionally, the M17 boom is significantly less stout than the M15's and gets swayback over time. Any opinions (dumb question...)? Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses.

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RE: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects
by Smith, Tom 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

It's a portable Brother machine. I'm not sure it's going to be real happy with the projects I have planned Bill, but we'll see. I've run four layers of Sunbrella through it and it slows down some, but I believe it will work. I'm just now discovering there are specialized machines that are reasonably priced to do this work, but frankly, I can't see doing this for a living any time soon so it'll have to do. I'm going to sew various covers--compass, winch, motor, and probably a shade and various storage bags (segmented for tools, sheets, and like that). I've discovered a source for inexpensive Sunbrella, the only drawback being the material is roll ends from projects, so you have to takes what you can gets for colors. It'll be a grand experiment as I have a reputation for having more thumbs than fingers. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Wcpritchett(a)aol.com [mailto:Wcpritchett@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:09 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects Tom, I recently bought a new portable Mercury walking foot sewing machine on ebay for $200 delivered. It's a clone of the straight stitch Sailrite machine and works great on Sunbrella. What type machine are you using and what projects? Bill _____ This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Re: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

Tom, I recently bought a new portable Mercury walking foot sewing machine on ebay for $200 delivered. It's a clone of the straight stitch Sailrite machine and works great on Sunbrella. What type machine are you using and what projects? Bill

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RE: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects
by Smith, Tom 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

Exactly Bill. V69 will do the trick. I'll check on the Thread Exchange. Sailrite is a neat site though...lots of how to and like that. Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Wcpritchett(a)aol.com [mailto:Wcpritchett@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:07 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects Tom, Here's another source for bonded polyester thread. This place sells the same thread but is much less cost than Sailrite. I've purchased V92 from both and sew Sunbrella. I don't know what size you are looking for but probably V69 with a home machine. Bill P. The <http://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TT…> Thread Exchange, Inc.: Special Bonded Polyester _____ This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Re: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

Tom, Here's another source for bonded polyester thread. This place sells the same thread but is much less cost than Sailrite. I've purchased V92 from both and sew Sunbrella. I don't know what size you are looking for but probably V69 with a home machine. Bill P. <A HREF="http://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TT…">The Thread Exchange, Inc.: Special Bonded Polyester</A>

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RE: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects
by Smith, Tom 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

Right. I forgot about these guys. Excellent source. Thanks. Tom Smith Electric Systems Itron Inc. 509-891-3674 tom.smith(a)itron.com www.itron.com -----Original Message----- From: Morris, Giles [mailto:giles.morris@unisys.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:52 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects www.sailrite.com I've made several of their kits (including a sail cover) as well as using them for a source of components. -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Tom [mailto:Tom.Smith@itron.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:35 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects I know several people on the list have constructed sail covers and sun shades and stuff like that. I'm sewing a couple things over the winter and I need recommendations on thread types and sources. Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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RE: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects
by Morris, Giles 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

www.sailrite.com I've made several of their kits (including a sail cover) as well as using them for a source of components. -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Tom [mailto:Tom.Smith@itron.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:35 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Thread for canvas/Sunbrella projects I know several people on the list have constructed sail covers and sun shades and stuff like that. I'm sewing a couple things over the winter and I need recommendations on thread types and sources. Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar

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