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RE: Honda 2HP - montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7
by Ludlow, Don 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

Hi all: Returning from a sail this Sunday (the first time I got to sail "Sweet Dream" with a reef in the main - She sailed like a champ with only the slightest bit of weather helm in the NE 15 Kt wind), as I motored to the dock my Honda 2 HP 4 cycle ran out of gas (you would think that for a thousand bucks they could put in a gas gauge). I was pushing it but singlehanding with the heavy chop, I didn't want to stop and bend over the transom to pour in gas. I took off the gas cap, letting it dangle to the side on the retaining chain and reached for the gas can when the gas cap dropped into the water. The retaining chain came loose. I quickly poured in a pint of gas, wrapped a plastic baggy around the top of the tank and fired her up just before drifting into some pilings. Has anyone else had their Honda gas cap fall off? Don Ludlow M-15 # 620 Sweet Dream -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:16 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: cloudy compass (John Fleming) 2. Wet core (Honshells) 3. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 (Derfsails(a)aol.com) 4. Re: cloudy compass (Jerry Montgomery) 5. M23 (Honshells) 6. Honda Maintenance Issue (Steve & Diana Parsons) 7. Do we need a compass anymore? (Stephen Martin) 8. Older M17 Mast (Honshells) 9. Re: Honda Maintenance Issue (Wcpritchett(a)aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:19:26 -0700 From: John Fleming <jfleming1231(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: cloudy compass To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <3F59523E.8050605(a)earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Tom, Don't despair. There is a product that does the job. It's not cheap, but it works. I believe it can be bought through West Marine. If not West Marine, then I must have got it from Sporty's, an aviation/pilot supply catalog. I used it to restore my Saturn bulkhead compass which was badly scratched, making it almost unusable. After I followed their directions, it brought the compass back to complete clarity. The product is called Nuvo-Shine Plastic Polishing Kit. The cost stamped on on the side of the box is $30. Here are the other particulars: www: nuvo-shine.com Address: Squadra Nuvolari, LLC 255 G Street Suite 250 San Diego, CA 92101 619/544-9450 If the compass lens is not too badly scratched or faded, you can try three of Meguiar's products, which you may find at auto parts stores, or once again at West Marine. They are: Mirror Glaze 18 Clear Plastic Detailer, 17 Clear Plastic Cleaner, 10 Clear Plastic Polish. I tried these first, and they were unable to work out the deep scratches on my compass lens, so I had to buy the Nuvo-Shine product. Hope this helps. John Fleming '82 M-17: "Star Cross'd" Smith, Tom wrote: > I have a bulkhead mounted compass that's apparently never had a cover > on it and it hazy. Is there a plastic polishing compound or method > anyone can recommend that might help? > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:01:07 -0400 From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: Wet core To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <003001c37433$e2b87780$b963b3cf@ajrogers> If I understand the literature correctly, if you use the epoxy-fill approach you used for your other fittings, that should solve the problem, whether the core is completely dry in that spot or not. I've read of people drilling a series of small holes, then setting up a suction system to leach out moisture, but it doesn't sound like your situation is serious enough for such a drastic cure. Your 21-days in the sun treatment seems as if it would completely dry the area in question, anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Martin" <jonmartin666(a)msn.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: M_Boats: Wet core I have an area on the cabin top of my M15 about the size of a silver dollar that has a wet core. There was a fitting screwed on to the cabin top, and I removed it and drilled out the hole, and wet wood came out. I drilled about a half-inch hole, and picked out all that I could get to. Anoyther hole above and one below were dry. I have left these holes open for about three weeks now, in the hot sun (about 95 degrees). Is this enough to sufficiently dry it out? Any ideas on what I might do? I have removed all of the fittings, drilled out the holes and filled with epoxy, then redrilled and replaced each fitting. I only found the one spot that was wet. Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:35:05 EDT From: Derfsails(a)aol.com Subject: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <93.32a8ee44.2c8b90e9(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Mark, You may want to talk with Bob Eeg, as the 23 I have purchased from him does have a bronze center board. We are scheduled to put the mast up and check the center board this coming Monday then put it in the water on Tuesday. Fred Shelley derfsails(a)aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: RE: Honda 2HP - montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7
by s.mcclellan＠comcast.net 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

Don is so right. I've never actually lost the gas cap from my Honda 2-hp -- but I have noticed how EASY it is to pull the plastic "retainer" right out of the tank. It doesn't take much of a pull. So I always just pull the cap off and set it down in the boat when re-filling on the water. I don't know if others have the same kind of plastic retainer as I do, but if so, I wouldn't trust it. You'd think they could have done a better job designing it. And yeah, if there is ANY doubt in my mind about how much fuel is left in the tank, I always try to fill it up, or check it at least, before dicey maneuvers near rocks or pilings in heavy weather. BAD time to have your motor quit on you. ____________________O____________ ~~ ~ ~ ~ (\_ ~~ Steve McClellan~~M15~#152~~Chicago > Hi all: > Returning from a sail this Sunday (the first time I got to sail "Sweet > Dream" with a reef in the main - She sailed like a champ with only the > slightest bit of weather helm in the NE 15 Kt wind), as I motored to the > dock my Honda 2 HP 4 cycle ran out of gas (you would think that for a > thousand bucks they could put in a gas gauge). I was pushing it but > singlehanding with the heavy chop, I didn't want to stop and bend over the > transom to pour in gas. I took off the gas cap, letting it dangle to the > side on the retaining chain and reached for the gas can when the gas cap > dropped into the water. The retaining chain came loose. I quickly poured in > a pint of gas, wrapped a plastic baggy around the top of the tank and fired > her up just before drifting into some pilings. > Has anyone else had their Honda gas cap fall off? > Don Ludlow > M-15 # 620 Sweet Dream > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:16 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7 > > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: cloudy compass (John Fleming) > 2. Wet core (Honshells) > 3. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 (Derfsails(a)aol.com) > 4. Re: cloudy compass (Jerry Montgomery) > 5. M23 (Honshells) > 6. Honda Maintenance Issue (Steve & Diana Parsons) > 7. Do we need a compass anymore? (Stephen Martin) > 8. Older M17 Mast (Honshells) > 9. Re: Honda Maintenance Issue (Wcpritchett(a)aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:19:26 -0700 > From: John Fleming <jfleming1231(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: cloudy compass > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <3F59523E.8050605(a)earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Tom, > > Don't despair. There is a product that does the job. It's not cheap, > but it works. I believe it can be bought through West Marine. If not > West Marine, then I must have got it from Sporty's, an aviation/pilot > supply catalog. I used it to restore my Saturn bulkhead compass which > was badly scratched, making it almost unusable. After I followed their > directions, it brought the compass back to complete clarity. > > The product is called Nuvo-Shine Plastic Polishing Kit. The cost > stamped on on the side of the box is $30. Here are the other particulars: > > www: nuvo-shine.com > Address: > Squadra Nuvolari, LLC > 255 G Street Suite 250 > San Diego, CA 92101 > 619/544-9450 > > If the compass lens is not too badly scratched or faded, you can try > three of Meguiar's products, which you may find at auto parts stores, or > once again at West Marine. They are: > > Mirror Glaze 18 Clear Plastic Detailer, > 17 Clear Plastic Cleaner, > 10 Clear Plastic Polish. > > I tried these first, and they were unable to work out the deep scratches > on my compass lens, so I had to buy the Nuvo-Shine product. > > Hope this helps. > John Fleming > '82 M-17: "Star Cross'd" > > > Smith, Tom wrote: > > I have a bulkhead mounted compass that's apparently never had a cover > > on it and it hazy. Is there a plastic polishing compound or method > > anyone can recommend that might help? > > > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:01:07 -0400 > From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Wet core > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <003001c37433$e2b87780$b963b3cf@ajrogers> > > > If I understand the literature correctly, if you use the epoxy-fill approach > you used for your other fittings, > that should solve the problem, whether the core is completely dry in that > spot or not. I've read of people > drilling a series of small holes, then setting up a suction system to leach > out moisture, but it doesn't sound > like your situation is serious enough for such a drastic cure. Your 21-days > in the sun treatment seems as if > it would completely dry the area in question, anyway. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Martin" <jonmartin666(a)msn.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:47 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Wet core > > > I have an area on the cabin top of my M15 about the size of a silver dollar > that has a wet core. There was a fitting screwed on to the cabin top, and I > removed it and drilled out the hole, and wet wood came out. I drilled about > a half-inch hole, and picked out all that I could get to. Anoyther hole > above and one below were dry. I have left these holes open for about three > weeks now, in the hot sun (about 95 degrees). Is this enough to > sufficiently dry it out? Any ideas on what I might do? I have removed all > of the fittings, drilled out the holes and filled with epoxy, then redrilled > and replaced each fitting. I only found the one spot that was wet. Thanks, > Jon > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 15:35:05 EDT > From: Derfsails(a)aol.com > Subject: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 3 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <93.32a8ee44.2c8b90e9(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Mark, > > You may want to talk with Bob Eeg, as the 23 I have purchased from him does > have a bronze center board. We are scheduled to put the mast up and check > the > center board this coming Monday then put it in the water on Tuesday. > > Fred Shelley > derfsails(a)aol.com >

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Re: M_Boats: RE: Honda 2HP - montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 7, Issue 7
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 08 Sep '03

08 Sep '03

Be VERY careful of fire when this happens. The very same thing happened to me with an old vintage 3hp Johnson. Fuel sloshed out on the cowl during this episode and I thought it was wiped clean. Just enough went down in the cracks to ignite when I started the motor. It flashed up and I actually unscrewed the motor and dunked it in the water to stop the flames. This was on a ply skiff and I had no fire extinguisher aboard. The motor got some "char" marks but otherwise nothing was hurt. This makes a good case for external tanks. Bill

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M15's on Lake Coeur d' Alene, ID
by Gary M. Hyde 07 Sep '03

07 Sep '03

In addition to my boat ('Vanilla'), currently on my dock near Conkling Park near the south end of the lake, I spotted another M15 moored in the marina. Its name is 'Shrunken Treasure'. Anyone know who it belongs to? I couldn't find it in the registry. --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla'

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Re: M_Boats: Blocks
by NummiJ＠aol.com 07 Sep '03

07 Sep '03

Thanks, its an old boat, but it sure looks like fun. Dale

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17 center board
by dik lang 07 Sep '03

07 Sep '03

I am a do- it- yourselfer most of the time. Ive got my Monty-17 on the trailer and now am trying to figure a way to raise ii enough to unstick and drop the center board. I plan on doing the full sandblasting, coating, and epoxy of the trunk and board. I have a few hair-brained ideas on how to lift the boat enough but am interested to hear if any one else has a sure fire way before I get in more trouble than my wife might like! Dik Lang Sweet Pea M-17 _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental

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Re: M_Boats: Do we need a compass anymore?
by chbenneck＠juno.com 07 Sep '03

07 Sep '03

Hi Steve, Glad to know that there still are others out there who know how to run a slide rule. That was always a part of my navigator's tool kit. You can drop it, and it can get wet, but it always functions - and doesn't need AA batteries! GPS is really spoiling the world. It does so much, so elegantly, in such a small package! and it isn't sensitive to steel objects in it's vicinity...................! Years ago on our big boat, my compass was mounted on the bridge deck - between cockpit and companionway. If I was on the look out for traffic, buoys, light houses, or other aids to navigation I would stand at the front of the cockpit with the tiller between my legs and I could brace myself by holding the edges of the companionway. One time I was heading East on Long Island Sound, for Fisher's Island Sound, in the above described piloting position, when I noticed that I was way off my desired heading - but the compass course was correct. I changed heading (at this point it was all visual piloting in home waters) and when I got to Noank and moored the ship, my next question was, why was the compass so far off? Why did it give me a false reading? Some head scratching later, and several trips into the cabin and out again made me realize that as I went down the companionway, the compass heading changed. Why? I emptied my pockets. Still the same compass behavior. Then I had a flash of inspiration and grabbed the small magnet I always carried in my tool box, and checked the brass belt buckle on the webbed military belt I was using to hold up my pants. BINGO! The magnet stuck to "brass" belt buckle. So, my buckle, that I had bought at an Army / Navy store was not brass, as it appeared to be, but was brass plated steel. Buckle was removed and given a mighty heave into the ocean. Then I went back to the store and complained about their brass buckles being made of steel, and the problems that it caused. However, the clerk probably never was on a boat; and he didn't know what a compass was................................. So, I checked their buckle supply with my magnet, and finally bought a new one that was brass, and that passed the magnet test.................... .................but if I had been trying to find my way home in the fog...........................????? Connie M15 #400

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Re: M_Boats: How to handle fenders when single-handed sailing?
by chbenneck＠juno.com 07 Sep '03

07 Sep '03

Hi Randy, When I go out sailing, as soon as I'm out in clear water, I put the boat on autopilot (my bungee cord to tiller system), and remove the fenders. My fenders - depending on length of sail, and number of people on board - have two stowage positions. If my wife is along, or the grandchildren, fenders go into the port sail locker, to clean up the cockpit floor area. If I'm sailing by myself for just an hour or two (and it's pleasant sailing - no rail under, etc.) I just leave them on the cockpit floor, at the aft end of the cockpit. There they are out of the way; but can be reached easily when I head back in to my slip at the marina. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: How to handle fenders when single-handed sailing?
by Larry Yake 07 Sep '03

07 Sep '03

Hi Randy, Well it's about time you quit dragging those fenders around the lake! ;-) Sounds like what you really need is some version of a tiller tamer system so you can let go of the tiller to take care of things like that when you need to. There should be lots of ways to do that listed in the archives. Larry On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:02:16 -0700 "Randy Graves" <RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu> writes: > Friends, > > Does anyone have any good ideas of how to handle the fenders when > single-handed sailing? For ease and convenience I have been leaving > them attached while under sail. I would like to come up with a > handy way to deploy and retrieve without letting the boat get away > from me in the process, or having them roll around in the cockpit > all day. Any ideas? > > Thank you, > > Randy Graves > >

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RE: M_Boats: Do we need a compass anymore?
by Randy Graves 07 Sep '03

07 Sep '03

Steve & Group, I have found the same to be true. I have both a bulkhead mounted compass and a handheld GPS. I have a simple shock-cord mount for the GPS on my top hatch board. At a glance the GPS give me; current heading, current speed, max. speed, time of day, and distance traveled. I use a Garmin GPS-12 which is several years old and cost around $150 when new. I am not sure about battery life, I seem to change them twice per season .... when I remember to turn it off when done sailing! Per the recent discussions, I was using the GPS yesterday to verify my compass. The compass and GPS agreed within +/- 2 degrees. Randy, M-15 Post Falls, ID -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Martin [mailto:cadenzaboat@hotmail.com] Sent: Sun 9/7/2003 6:00 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Cc: Subject: M_Boats: Do we need a compass anymore? I suppose this will be considered nautical heresy, but here goes: When my wife and I first started cruising about 5 years ago we were careful to calibrate (swing) the compas and make a deviation chart, etc. Mounted next to the compass was our GPS unit. After all that we had read about the importance of the compass it suprised us that in 4 years of cruising I don't think we ever looked at the compass once. We eventually quit taking the cover off. On the other hand, the GPS was used constantly. Instead of heading, the GPS gives you your track, which is what you really want to know. Of course, some of the other benefits are that it gives you true speed (no need for a knot meter, which only gives you relative speed), position, tells you if you're on course, and tells you if your anchor is dragging. I suppose one could argue that the compass is low tech, doesn't require batteries, and is more reliable. But I remember making the same argument for holding onto my slide rule. I still keep it stowed away somewhere in case the batteries die on my calculator. On our new M15, insead of a compass, I'm considering either just carrying a handheld GPS or possibly mounting one on the bulkhead. Of course, I will still keep a small handheld compass stowed away for the day when the batteries die or the satellites fail. Maybe I will keep it with my slide rule. Steve Martin, M15 "Cadenza" _____ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. <http://g.msn.com/8HMJENUS/2728??PS=>

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