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floatation ring
by MC Carpenter 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

does any know who or where I can get the floatation ring that fits around the boat like the one that is shown on the Walker Bay Boats, I called the company and the girl that answered said it only comes with the dinghy they sell.

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Dry Ice for a small freezer
by Ludlow, Don 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Re: Dry Ice - I don't know about the impact of dry ice on the FRP hull but I would assume that enough insulation would solve the problem. A word of caution though, dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide (that horrible greenhouse gas only released by US industry which is destroying the planet)As the dry ice melts (sublimes) it turns into CO2 gas and fills the interior of the boat, displacing oxygen. This can kill you. Re: mast rail - I saw a picture of a Potter 14 with a handrail around the mast. Looks cool and probably wouldn't get in the way of rigging the mast. You would have to route the jib sheets in a way that they would not hang-up on the handrail. Re: Floatation rings - pool noodles sound great. I use them for bumpers, cut in 2 ft lengths with a line through the hole (plastic washers hold the line) red matches my stripe. I'll check Walmart for the big ones. Re: Lift of my M-15. Doug, thanks for the response. I may try the bow and mid cleats for a trial lift but with the mast up, I'm thinking that special lift eyes may be the answer. I agree that straps would wedge between the hull and trailer bunks but would use them if I went under the boat while she was lifted. Fair winds - Don Ludlow -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:26 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 9, Issue 17 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. mast hand rail (MC Carpenter) 2. fiberglass and dry ice (MC Carpenter) 3. floatation ring (MC Carpenter) 4. Re: floatation ring (Howard Audsley) 5. Re: floatation ring (Rachel) 6. RE: gel battery (Smith, Tom) 7. Re: floatation ring (The Tentmakers) 8. Re: floatation ring (Mark Escovedo) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 23:55:51 -0500 From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2(a)earthlink.net> Subject: M_Boats: mast hand rail To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000701c3a422$441695c0$cb154bab@D60D0Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" seen today in San Diego, a short small handrail about nine inches high on the deck and 3/4 of the way around the mast (( curved around the front -bow- to both sides but not on the stern side )). safety plus - not only to hold on to but also to tie lines. do you think something like that would get in the way of stepping the mast ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:39:03 -0500 From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2(a)earthlink.net> Subject: M_Boats: fiberglass and dry ice To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000b01c3a428$59808d70$e81c4bab@D60D0Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" does any one know if using dry ice near on or on the fiber hull will cause and damage to the structural integrity to the resin fiberglass hull, If I was to build in a small freezer. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 00:58:55 -0500 From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2(a)earthlink.net> Subject: M_Boats: floatation ring To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000701c3a42b$132ef7a0$e81c4bab@D60D0Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" does any know who or where I can get the floatation ring that fits around the boat like the one that is shown on the Walker Bay Boats, I called the company and the girl that answered said it only comes with the dinghy they sell. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 05:32:52 -0600 From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation ring To: Montgomery Boats List <montgomery_boats(a)lists.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BBCF8D84.4134%haudsley(a)tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The "poor mans" version of this is to make your own out of a set of those hollow center boat bumpers. Pick the size you want. Just string them together like popcorn at Christmas. You can use eye bolts along the gunnels to hold them up. They float and act as bumpers to hold the hard dingy off the mothership. Howaard On 11/5/03 11:58 PM, "MC Carpenter" <southisland2(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > does any know who or where I can get the floatation ring that fits around > the boat like the one that is shown on the Walker Bay Boats, I called the > company and the girl that answered said it only comes with the dinghy they > sell. > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:12:10 -0800 From: Rachel <penokee(a)cheqnet.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation ring To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <F999CBBB-1073-11D8-B326-0003938281E0(a)cheqnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi, I checked into this for my 7' Fatty Knees dinghy also. IIRC, the first place I checked (Add-a-Bouy?) didn't make them anymore or was out of business. Then I got a link for another place, that I can't remember, but that had a name that had something to do with "doggie." I let that go because it was going to be prohibitively expensive ($400? $700? it was so expensive I immediately put it out of mind). I also considered the fender idea that Howard describes, but I don't have that many small fenders, so it had the disadvantage of being a bit on the pricey side - unless you already have all the fenders and need a place to store them ;-) They're also slightly heavy. That idea still lurks as an option though. The idea I'm working on now (still in progress) involves two large "pool noodles" -- the brightly-colored foam tubes kids play with. This spring Wal-Mart had some extra-fat ones for $5 apiece. I bought a couple and immediately rigged them up temporarily, just to try them out, one just under each gunwale the length of the boat. They're hollow, so you can run ropes through the middle. The added flotation was amazing. As in, you could just about stand on the gunwales without tipping the dinghy or filling it with water. The next thing I did was buy a couple of feet of clear hose and cut it into ~6" lengths, which I jam fit into all the ends, to reinforce them. At this point you could use them as is, with perhaps one strap-eye mounted below the middle section, to keep them from riding up. I haven't gotten this far yet. Since I have some Sunbrella-type scraps, I'm considering sewing some sleeves for them which would incorporate a couple of tie down points. We'll see. This project is going hand-in-hand with the one where I'm just adding a smaller gunwale pad for everyday use. I envision the noodles for snorkeling and/or heavy loads in rough weather. Were you thinking of this for your M-15 or for a dinghy? FWIW --- Rachel Former owner, M-17 #334 Former owner, M-15 #517 Currently cruising on Westsail 32 #412 On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 03:32 AM, Howard Audsley wrote: > The "poor mans" version of this is to make your own out of a set of > those > hollow center boat bumpers. Pick the size you want. Just string them > together like popcorn at Christmas. You can use eye bolts along the > gunnels > to hold them up. They float and act as bumpers to hold the hard dingy > off > the mothership. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 08:23:18 -0800 From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: gel battery To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <E15906480B361D4BAA27ADC6EDCAB9EE16DA7F(a)spokane-mx3.itron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I don't have the magazine in front of me right now, but I think in this month's issue of Sail, on the things that work page, someone talks about using one of those emergency starting units as a boat battery. Sorry for the lack of info and context on this, but for those without charging systems and just short term use requirements, this might be of interest. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Harvey Wilson [mailto:HarveyWilson@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:54 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: gel battery Hi.. The Optimas come in 3 varieties...red is starting batteries, the blue is the deep discharge (house batt) Can't remember what the yellow is...maybe a combination?? Do a Google search on Optima and you'll find their website and more info then you want to know about batteries. Oh yes...you _DO_ have a good idea of what your current drain is, (hopefully) ?? I've only used West Marines little gel cell, and charge it after everyuse. Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 10:25:40 -0700 From: "The Tentmakers" <the_tentmakers(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation ring To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <Law10-F118s8FSA4Ale000453d8(a)hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/montgomery_boats/attachm ents/20031106/95f4b4e6/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:25:20 -0800 From: "Mark Escovedo" <m_escovedo(a)msn.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation ring To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV55tZu9IVdRO0007fb63(a)hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If it's added buoyancy your trying to achieve you may want to look at the inflatable bags that are installed on the "OPTIMIST" sailing dinghy. They are installed forward of the midship thwart along the inside rail of the boat. Granted the OPTIMIST is a tiny boat but maybe you could double up the number of bags. They are collapsible so when you're not using them they can be deflated to give you more interior space. I'm not sure who makes the bags but they should be no problem to locate. the INTERNATIONAL OPTIMIST is the largest one design sailboat class in the world. Good Luck Mark Escovedo 'Chunky Dory" M17 F/D #103 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rachel To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation ring Hi, I checked into this for my 7' Fatty Knees dinghy also. IIRC, the first place I checked (Add-a-Bouy?) didn't make them anymore or was out of business. Then I got a link for another place, that I can't remember, but that had a name that had something to do with "doggie." I let that go because it was going to be prohibitively expensive ($400? $700? it was so expensive I immediately put it out of mind). I also considered the fender idea that Howard describes, but I don't have that many small fenders, so it had the disadvantage of being a bit on the pricey side - unless you already have all the fenders and need a place to store them ;-) They're also slightly heavy. That idea still lurks as an option though. The idea I'm working on now (still in progress) involves two large "pool noodles" -- the brightly-colored foam tubes kids play with. This spring Wal-Mart had some extra-fat ones for $5 apiece. I bought a couple and immediately rigged them up temporarily, just to try them out, one just under each gunwale the length of the boat. They're hollow, so you can run ropes through the middle. The added flotation was amazing. As in, you could just about stand on the gunwales without tipping the dinghy or filling it with water. The next thing I did was buy a couple of feet of clear hose and cut it into ~6" lengths, which I jam fit into all the ends, to reinforce them. At this point you could use them as is, with perhaps one strap-eye mounted below the middle section, to keep them from riding up. I haven't gotten this far yet. Since I have some Sunbrella-type scraps, I'm considering sewing some sleeves for them which would incorporate a couple of tie down points. We'll see. This project is going hand-in-hand with the one where I'm just adding a smaller gunwale pad for everyday use. I envision the noodles for snorkeling and/or heavy loads in rough weather. Were you thinking of this for your M-15 or for a dinghy? FWIW --- Rachel Former owner, M-17 #334 Former owner, M-15 #517 Currently cruising on Westsail 32 #412 On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 03:32 AM, Howard Audsley wrote: > The "poor mans" version of this is to make your own out of a set of > those > hollow center boat bumpers. Pick the size you want. Just string them > together like popcorn at Christmas. You can use eye bolts along the > gunnels > to hold them up. They float and act as bumpers to hold the hard dingy > off > the mothership. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: floatation ring
by The Tentmakers 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

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RE: M_Boats: gel battery
by Smith, Tom 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

I don't have the magazine in front of me right now, but I think in this month's issue of Sail, on the things that work page, someone talks about using one of those emergency starting units as a boat battery. Sorry for the lack of info and context on this, but for those without charging systems and just short term use requirements, this might be of interest. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Harvey Wilson [mailto:HarveyWilson@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:54 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: gel battery Hi.. The Optimas come in 3 varieties...red is starting batteries, the blue is the deep discharge (house batt) Can't remember what the yellow is...maybe a combination?? Do a Google search on Optima and you'll find their website and more info then you want to know about batteries. Oh yes...you _DO_ have a good idea of what your current drain is, (hopefully) ?? I've only used West Marines little gel cell, and charge it after everyuse. Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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fiberglass and dry ice
by MC Carpenter 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

does any one know if using dry ice near on or on the fiber hull will cause and damage to the structural integrity to the resin fiberglass hull, If I was to build in a small freezer.

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mast hand rail
by MC Carpenter 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

seen today in San Diego, a short small handrail about nine inches high on the deck and 3/4 of the way around the mast (( curved around the front -bow- to both sides but not on the stern side )). safety plus - not only to hold on to but also to tie lines. do you think something like that would get in the way of stepping the mast

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Stern Rail
by Seawitch 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Question for anyone on the list who might know the information. I am interested in having a stern rail installed on my M15. The rigger I intend to use has said that if I knew the manufacturer he could get if for me and it would be less costly than having to build one. ===== Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

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gel battery
by Harvey Wilson 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Hi.. The Optimas come in 3 varieties...red is starting batteries, the blue is the deep discharge (house batt) Can't remember what the yellow is...maybe a combination?? Do a Google search on Optima and you'll find their website and more info then you want to know about batteries. Oh yes...you _DO_ have a good idea of what your current drain is, (hopefully) ?? I've only used West Marines little gel cell, and charge it after everyuse. Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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RE: M_Boats: wick stove/galley mods
by Smith, Tom 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

Speaking of the M17 galley, has anyone considered modifying this structure? Aside from being a convenient catch all for a very limited size-range of items, the sink is useless and the galley structure itself is (with the exception of the the nice work surface foreward of the sink, upon which an Origo 1500 fits perfectly) wasted space. I'd just as soon eliminate the thru-hull, saw the sink off at the same level as the work surface, and build in some real storage beneath. I'm not tackling this project tomorrow or anything. I just think that with all the innovative thinkers on the list, a discussion would bring in some ideas that might result in a more useful interior. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Woodsybill(a)aol.com [mailto:Woodsybill@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:16 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: wick stove I have a single burner alcohol (wick) Optimus and it works great. Consider all pros and cons and the alcohol wick type is still the safest. It fits perfect in space aft of the sink in my 1975 M-17. A two burner would be nice but would need more space. Bill K _____ This message was scanned for viruses!!

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M15 - sculling, sweeping, motor mounts
by Doug Kelch 06 Nov '03

06 Nov '03

I had a fine weekend overnight in light airs, beautiful fall foliage and abnormally high temperatures (80 deg). The winds were forecast to be light so I took my longish oar for sculling or sweeping messing about. But first the motor mount. I was sailing in company with a Sea Pearl whose motor mount was in fact on the rudder. It is mounted near the head of the rudder on a bracket that off-sets the motor to the port side of the rudder. Since it is off to the side it does not interfere with the kick up rudder and it is steered with the normal tiller.. The Sea Pearl 21's gudgeon and pintels are twice the size of the M15 to handle the strain of the engine so my conclusion would be that the M15's gudgeons and pintels are not up to snuff for mounting an engine off of the rudder. The extra weight on one side of rudder is difficult to get used to when heeled or when steering. With the extra weight in light winds the tiller feeling was lost. Sculling the M15 - I have a temporary fixture with an oar lock I can mount on the transom. The oar I was using is pretty poor for the application however with little past success in sculling I was able to get the M15 up to 1 kt. My guess is if you were actually go at it you could get closer to 1.6 or even 2 kts for short periods. Sweeping - I have a couple of cleats on each coaming outside of the cockpit for sheet to tiller steering. I used these to hold both ends of a line with a rolling hitch around the oar. I used a seat cushion under the oar to avoid damaging the coaming. The technique was brute force and I was able to get up to 1.2 kts but the rudder pressure required to continue in a straight line was severe. Unless you want to go with a pair of oars the sculling approach is probably more sustainable if you can master the technique. Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

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