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to weather / size of centerboard area
by MC Carpenter 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

when you look at the side view of the M17 with the boat down it seems so small a difference, what is that perhaps 1 square foot. It seems that is such a small area and yet be so effective to prevent lee drift. Can the underwater rudder area be increased to help prevent lee drift

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RE: M_Boats: down haul with lazy jacks
by Randy Graves 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

MC Carpenter, We have rigged a down haul for our mainsail on our M-15. We purchased a longer section of rope for raising the main and looped it back around, attaching the other end back onto the mainsail apx 3 feet from the top (at spx. the second sail slug from the top). The line loops back to the cockpit on the starboard side and has cam-cleats for both the up and down line, also a couple of blocks between the base of the mast and cleats, to keep the line flowing smothly. It works very well for getting the mailsail up and down, but we don't use it for anything other than raising and lowering; it does not substitute for a reefing system on our boat. We experimented with where best to attach the down-haul line and found it we attached it to the very top of the sail the metal bracket at the top of our sail would tweak/twist/bind coming down. Attaching it at apx. the 2nd or 3 rd sail slug works well but you have about 3 feet triangle of sail still showing when the line is pulled all the way down to the boom. We also had to come up with some way to keep the sail slugs in the track when raising and lowering the main, otherwise you would have to go up to the mast and re-insert the sail slugs each time you wanted to raise the main (same when reefing). To keep the slugs in we first tried a piece of shock cord streatched around the mast like a rupper band; this didn't work reliably. We also purchased and trail sail-stops; those wound up at the bottom of the lake. lastly, we drilled a semi-small hope and used a push pin through the mast just at the point the sail track opens wider. Randy Graves M-15 #407 -----Original Message----- From: MC Carpenter [mailto:southisland2@earthlink.net] Sent: Sat 11/1/2003 9:28 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: Subject: M_Boats: down haul with lazy jacks has any one set up a down haul with lazy jack so you can reduce sail while sitting in the cockpit. sort of release the main halyard and pull down haul and the sailboat keeps on sailing in choppy waters without going on deck _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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club footed jib
by MC Carpenter 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

any one put a club footed jib on a M17. its a self tending jib

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RE: M_Boats: Push, pull, push, pull.....
by Smith, Tom 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

Regarding your downhaul, four feet off the deck is probably no big deal. I attach my downhaul to the second rather than top sail hank to avoid fouling and I bet I've got 3 or 4 feet still up too, come to think about it. I've not seen a wire to rope headsail halyard but what do I know. Less windage and all that I guess. You'd want to make sure the sheave in the block is designed for wire, but I don't see any reason to change it out otherwise. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed PS: Connie, the FIRST thing I did when I rigged the boat was put a downhaul on, but thanks for the tip anyway! I have wire halyards though and they won't let the downhaul come all the way down. They stop about 4 feet from the tack, should I replace them? Thanks again, -R. ===== "In a power boat you may get there faster, but in a sailboat you are already there." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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down haul with lazy jacks
by MC Carpenter 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

has any one set up a down haul with lazy jack so you can reduce sail while sitting in the cockpit. sort of release the main halyard and pull down haul and the sailboat keeps on sailing in choppy waters without going on deck

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Re: M_Boats: Push, pull, push, pull.....
by chbenneck＠juno.com 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

Craig, Heaving to was originally created to solve the heavy weather problem. If the wind is blowing too hard; you're tired of bashing into it; you want some peace and quiet; or you just want to snooze in the middle of the ocean, while not going anywhere; then just heave to, and the problem is solved. See the Pardey's book, or almost any long distance sailor's book and they will all give you a detailed description of how to do it; why you want this in your bag of sailing tricks; and when to use it. You can really use it almost anytime you feel like parking the boat; slowing down the motion; or just sitting there admiring the scenery without going anywhere. Try it, you'll like it. Connie

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RE: M_Boats: heaving too
by Smith, Tom 02 Nov '03

02 Nov '03

I have more experience in an M15 than an M17, but both boats heave too well. The M15 can get pretty active hove too in gusts because it is so light, but with the main reefed I'd trust it in almost any condition. My sense is the M17 behaves as well or better. Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed

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Re: M_Boats: Omega 14
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

Try a JY 14 or JY 15, the 14 is more stable and easier to rig. Not easy to find but well worth the effort. May be manufactured by Hunter at this time. Good Luck G.O M-17 #316A Damn near perfct

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Re: M_Boats: Push, pull, push, pull.....
by chbenneck＠juno.com 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

Hi Rusty, Glad to hear you had a successful Baptismal sail. With growing familiarity, and confidence, it just keeps getting better and better.................. To heave to you need the jib. First you sheet in the jib; then tack so that the jib is back winded in it's sheeted position. Now tie off the tiller to counteract the effect of the jib, and there you are, sitting quietly and peacefully, making some leeway, but most comfortably. By playing with the tiller position, you will quickly find the optimum tiller position for minimum leeway. Jib halyard: Mine is a rope halyard, so when I drop the jib, I can use the down haul to secure it to the deck. My main halyard was a combined rope / wire halyard, but I have re rigged it to be an all rope halyard. The main reasons were: I am no longer limited in travel by the eyes in the wire hitting the sheaves: Gives me greater flexibility controlling the main. It rides better in the masthead sheaves. I can end-for-end it when it wears. Connie

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RE: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17
by Smith, Tom 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

I use a long shaft Honda 2 on an M17. I believe it's all the ob power that's required, and up to the job in conditions beyond calm water. You just learn the limitations of a smaller motor and abide by the rules. Our M17 is a '75 with the transom cutout, but the motor is mounted on an adjustable bracket and very easy to raise and lower. There doesn't seem to be any clearance problems motor to rudder. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sylvester [mailto:wmcsyl1@cox.net] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:36 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17 Connie, If I understand correctly, you have a Honda BF2. How would it work on our M-17 as a calm water kicker? I am concerned about a bigger motor interfering with the action of the rudder. When we brought the boat from the slip to the trailer, we used a 50lb thrust Minn Kota that is presently with the boat. We never used more than half of the power and everything was OK. I know this question has been kicked around by this group for a long time. I feel that I can actually use the outboard cutout on the transom if the motor is small enough. What do you think, will the BF2 cut it? Have you heard of the new Honda BF 2.3? Bill Endelig M-17 #279 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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