November 2003 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

RE: M_Boats: stanchions
by The Tentmakers 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

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Avoiding the Adjustable Bracket
by Honshells 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

Speaking of which, can an outboard be retrofit with a folding prop? I know I'll receive several posts about how getting the shaft out of the water using an adjustable bracket is preferable, however, suppose you wanted to leave the shaft IN the water, but reduce drag (I have a good reason for wanting to do this, but don't care to explain). Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1(a)cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: New old M-17 Tom, I am glad to get your reply. If you were to use the transom cutout for the Honda, would there be enough clearance for the rudder and tiller? I am hoping to be able to avoid using(buying and installing) an adjustable bracket unless I have to. Thanks, Bill Endelig M-17 #279 On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 10:18 AM, Smith, Tom wrote: I use a long shaft Honda 2 on an M17. I believe it's all the ob power that's required, and up to the job in conditions beyond calm water. You just learn the limitations of a smaller motor and abide by the rules. Our M17 is a '75 with the transom cutout, but the motor is mounted on an adjustable bracket and very easy to raise and lower. There doesn't seem to be any clearance problems motor to rudder. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sylvester [mailto:wmcsyl1@cox.net] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:36 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: New old M-17 Connie, If I understand correctly, you have a Honda BF2. How would it work on our M-17 as a calm water kicker? I am concerned about a bigger motor interfering with the action of the rudder. When we brought the boat from the slip to the trailer, we used a 50lb thrust Minn Kota that is presently with the boat. We never used more than half of the power and everything was OK. I know this question has been kicked around by this group for a long time. I feel that I can actually use the outboard cutout on the transom if the motor is small enough. What do you think, will the BF2 cut it? Have you heard of the new Honda BF 2.3? Bill Endelig M-17 #279

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Bilge Water
by bownez＠juno.com 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

Greetings Listers, I am presently dealing with a problem with my M23 which could also apply to the M17. Mid summer I started taking a small quantity of water into my bilge, enough to pump out, which had never been the case the previous season. My boat slip is 75 miles away so usually it sits in the water for a week before I have time to visit and sail. The water amount would vary, but it finally got to the point where I installed a Rule automatic bilge pump. The way the M23 centerboard trunk is constructed is there is a chamber at the rear of the keel which can collect any water which finds its way inboard and then can be manually pumped out. There is no path between the swing keel cavity and the bilge. Well, it seems that there is enough wear in the stop pin to keel to allow a small amount of water to gravitate up through the laminations in the keel to vent inside the hull, then it flows aft and into the bilge area. My M23 is in the slings right now with the stop and hinge pins removed and it is apparent this is the leak path. So, the solution we have arrived at is to enlarge the pin holes, contruct small "sleeves" of epoxy/graphite/fiberglass material to form the bearing surface of the stainless pins. These will be glassed back into the keel and provide a stronger support for both the pins. At the same time, the swing keel is being cleaned and repainted. Now, the M17 swing keel functions in the same general manner, but there is no access to the keel bilge area on the M17. Has anyone installed a small access hole/port into the liner on their 17 to view/ pump water that has somehow found its way into that area? It seems by tapping that the aft portion of the M17 keel is hollow. I would like to check my M17 to see if there is indeed water trapped below the liner. When I have taken water before in my 17, it would seem to flow toward the transom and I could use my whale handheld to pump it overboard. Anyone out there with a wet M17 on the inside? Winter is on its way to Minnesota, 29 degrees for a high on Thursday. Later, Bones ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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RE: M_Boats: M15 - sculling, sweeping, motor mounts
by Smith, Tom 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

I agree with Tod. I've been reading this thread and wondering why on earth anyone would want to do such a thing. My goal is to diminish the role of an ob in my life, why would I want to mount the damn thing on my rudder, my baby, my lifting foil? t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed

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Re: M_Boats: stantions
by The Tentmakers 04 Nov '03

04 Nov '03

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Re: M_Boats: New old M-17
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

I just removed and refurbished my centerboard. I replaced the 1/4' line with a 3/8" line thinking bigger was better. The resulting bowline knot on the shackle was so thick that the centerboard stuck. So I replaced it with a new 1/4" line. Now it works fine. Bill K M-17 (055)

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Tiller Master
by MC Carpenter 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

Does any one have any spare parts or an electronic diagram for repairing a "TillerMaster" electronic tiller steering for small sailboats.. -the company apparently went defunct about ten years.

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Rudder Skulling an M-15
by Ludlow, Don 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

Hi guys: This weekend I tried rudder skulling my M-15. Worked well crossing the slip with no wind but very slow. I would hate to have to go any distance this way. I was going to try the paddle but with Sweetie on board (her first trip) I didn't want to make her nervous. BTW - She was concerned about going on the boat but soon found how stable an M-15 was. As we motored out the channel, We got the usually attention from the other boaters, "what a pretty little boat". Before long, Sweetie had the tiller in her hand and a big smile on her face. We hit open water with a light chop and a head sea but "Sweet Dream" cut through the waves with hardly a bobble. The only bounce we got was when the Marine patrol cut across our bow at high speed in their 30 ft cutter. I found that Captain Sweetie can talk like a sailor. She loves the new Bimini top. On the subject of small, open sailboats, I used to sail an Escape Rumba because it was so easy to set up. The sail fits over the mast in a sleeve but the mast has a roller furling device so you pull a cord and it furls or unfurls around the mast (great for reefing too). Very stable but I did get knocked down once. On the subject of jib downhauls, my jib drops without one. Perhaps this is because the hanks, forestay, sheaves, etc are all new. I did try one but it was something else to set up so I eliminated it. Fair winds Don Ludlow M-15 #620 Sweet Dream" -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 9:40 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. alternative propulsion (Honshells) 2. Re: Push, pull, push, pull..... (wayne yeargain) 3. Re: club footed jib (wayne yeargain) 4. Omega 14 (Honshells) 5. RE: down haul with lazy jacks (Randy Graves) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:23:04 -0500 From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: alternative propulsion To: "For and about MontgomerySailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000601c3a155$3692fa80$f555b3cf@ajrogers> I'm intrigued by this electric outboard I first saw advertized in "Sailing" magazine . . . http://www.ecycle.com/eMI/eCycleMarine.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:33:57 -0600 From: "wayne yeargain" <wayne(a)ev1.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Push, pull, push, pull..... To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <009501c3a156$bbf8a5c0$47e428d8@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I replaced my wire to rope halyards on my "76 M17 the sheaves were worn and the wire wouldn't stay in the groove, and it seems to me the little reduced windage aloft is not worth the hassle of dealing with the wire. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:32 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Push, pull, push, pull..... Regarding your downhaul, four feet off the deck is probably no big deal. I attach my downhaul to the second rather than top sail hank to avoid fouling and I bet I've got 3 or 4 feet still up too, come to think about it. I've not seen a wire to rope headsail halyard but what do I know. Less windage and all that I guess. You'd want to make sure the sheave in the block is designed for wire, but I don't see any reason to change it out otherwise. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed PS: Connie, the FIRST thing I did when I rigged the boat was put a downhaul on, but thanks for the tip anyway! I have wire halyards though and they won't let the downhaul come all the way down. They stop about 4 feet from the tack, should I replace them? Thanks again, -R. ===== "In a power boat you may get there faster, but in a sailboat you are already there." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 09:37:08 -0600 From: "wayne yeargain" <wayne(a)ev1.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: club footed jib To: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2(a)earthlink.net>, <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <00a801c3a157$2e7d5be0$47e428d8@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd like to hear if any one has tried it, probably would reduce top speed somewhat due to a smaller jib but would be intresting to try. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2(a)earthlink.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: M_Boats: club footed jib > any one put a club footed jib on a M17. its a self tending jib > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:33:17 -0500 From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: Omega 14 To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <002801c3a156$a3cbaec0$f555b3cf@ajrogers> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No one boat can fill all needs . . . Personally, I want a stable . . . :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: wayne yeargain To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: Omega 14 Hi Honshells Not to detract from the excellent sailing characteristics, and salty beauty of the M boats, I admit to also owning another brand. I didn't choose the Omega particularly, rather it choose me when the previous owner, decided after two unsucessful attempts to sail, he didn't like sailing and offrered it very cheap. I couldn't afford not to buy it. Its a nice little boat east to tow, easy to rig, and easy to sail, there are lots of daysailers that fit this catagory, go out and find one that speaks to you. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Honshells To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: Omega 14 I'm looking for small, open, but very stable sailboat, incredibly simple to rig and easy to singlehand, to sail on small inland lakes . . . My M17 is more suitable for Lake Michigan sailing, and I dry-sail it (store it mast-up on the trailer) to avoid the hassles of trailering and rigging . . . Anyway, could the Omega 14' be the small-lake boat I want? ----- Original Message ----- From: Debaene To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: Omega 14 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: no such e-mail address Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:25:46 -0600 From: Wayne <Wayne(a)ev1.net> To: Debaene <sukenaja(a)netscape.net> -----Original Message----- From: Debaene [mailto:sukenaja@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:57 AM To: wayne yeargain Subject: Omega 14 Hi Wayne, I've tried to find other Omega 14 owners on the internet . . . not much luck, so it's nice to find another owner who's willing to communicate. My boat is from '82 I believe. We bought it from an old fellow who moved into an assisted living facility. He hadn't sailed it for quite a few years and the part to hold the centerboard in place is missing. I've jerry-rigged something with a dowl and a rope around the mast to keep the centerboard in place, but it is less then ideal. I was wondering if you could give me the measurements of that part and perhaps a picture of what it looks like. We love the little boat, we can fit all 5 of us (2 adults, 3 children) and had a lot of fun with it already (bought it in Sept. this year). We still have a Banshee (~12ft, cat-rigged), which is not nearly as roomy, dry or forgiving for family sailing. Looking forward to your reply. Regards, Jan wayne(a)ev1.net wrote: Hi Jan Glad to hear you have a Omega, I have one also, great little boat mines a '78, also have a Sunfish of indeterminate age, and a '76 M17. Sometimes if i'm going to a place where I know there is little wind (most state parks for example) I'll take the Omega, it does well in light winds. Regards Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Debaene To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:26 AM Subject: Gas filling.. We have one of those gas cans described below. It is wonderful! Never, ever spilled gas anymore! The only downside is that it doesn't work on cars, only on lawnmowers or other similar gas tanks. Jan Paul Debaene Capri Omega 14 (dreaming of a Montgomery) the_tentmakers(a)hotmail.com wrote: Hi. We're new to the list ... own a 1974 Montgomery 17 that has been restored and has some improvements. I noted the item about filling tanks on small motors: Briggs and Stratton makes [or made] a one gallon can with a patented fill tube that shut off automatically when the receiving tank was full. No muss .. no fuss .. no bother. I think they are still available at good lawnmower shops etc. H. Dale and Gloria L. Lilly San Carlos Community Church

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Fw: Coast Guard Aids to Navigation
by MC Carpenter 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

Forward: Information to Montgomery group. Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: Coast Guard Aids to Navigation Mike, Your email to Dwight Cornell has been forwarded to me. I am in charge of the communications center at Coast Guard Station Lake Worth Inlet, Florida. Most of the info you requested is contained in a Coast Guard publication called the LIGHT LIST. It is printed by the U. S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C. 20402. The Omega and similar systems have gone by the wayside with the advent of newer more high tech systems such as GPS and LORAN. As of January 2001, only 1 Coast Guard operated traditional marine radiobeacon remains. That is located at Ediz Hook, WA. LORAN A also has gone by the wayside. LORAN C has replaced that. We have a LORAN transmitting station 16 miles north of our station. It is located in Jupiter, Florida. LORAN C is a chain of transmitting stations separated by several hundred miles. There are 3 to 6 stations in a chain. One is the Master, and the other stations are the secondary stations. The secondary stations are indicated by Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, or Zulu. The newer systems are the GPS and DGPS. (differential GPS) These systems are extremely accurate and can tell you your course, speed, position, way points, and some of that same information on other ships in the area. GPS can now be interfaced into the newer VHF radios and show and transmit your position if you are in distress. You can also interface your GPS into your 406 EPIRB. Some new 406 EPIRBS have a GPS built right into them thus cutting down on the notification time, and constantly updating your position. Takes the "search" out of search and rescue. Notification time went from up to 6 hours with the 121.5 EPIRB, down to 1 hour with the 406 EPIRB, and now down to about 5 minutes with the new global satellite 406 EPIRB with GPS built in. Just like the telephone went from dial to push button, and from wired to wireless, and now to cellfones and even cellfones with video pictures, the electronic aids to navigation are making great strides to improve their capability. If you are a boating person, you appreciate this even more. Aircraft and vehicles also have GPS units. I hope this information is what you were looking for. Chris Abernethy

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radar reflector on sail cloth
by MC Carpenter 03 Nov '03

03 Nov '03

Looking for radar information: if I wrap aluminum foil around the battens in the sails would that be enough of a flat surface to make a big blimp on some ones radar screen. A local fisherman here in Mazalan told me he sometime cannot see a small sailboat, that's scary???? How big a metal part is needed ???

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