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Re: M_Boats: Tiller extension
by Conbert H Benneck 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

Hi John, I too, like to sit at the forward end of the M15 cockpit and find that the tiller is too short for comfort. Using the Forespar tiller extender, is a partial solution, but the angles of tiller extension to tiller itself are wrong. Yesterday, I was out sailing and came up with a mock-up of the tiller so that I could check on just how long it had to be for comfortable single-handed sailing. What I did was to lash the Forespare Tiller Extension to the tiller itself, using a bungee cord. Now I could extend the tiller extension, and play games as to length desired for comfortable sailing. I was surprised to find that what I really wanted was a tiller about 54 inches long, and with an upwards curve, maybe about 3 inches higher than where the current tiller lies. My thought is to make myself a long wedge-shaped block to sit on the top of the tiller, into which the Forespar tiller extension fits and is fastened in place with a bungee cord. Now as a lash-up, you have the best of all worlds: the length you want, and you can also play with the height by varying the angle of the wedge block. My first attempt at this was such a resounding success, I'm going out to play with the idea some more this afternoon. There is another subtle benefit to this set-up. With the much longer tiller, it is two finger sailing, and rudder delections are very much smaller because of the added tiller length. Happy sailing Connie M15 #400 LEPPO

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Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #310 - 3 msgs
by JERRYGMAY＠aol.com 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

Who is in charge of the Lake Charles, La sail-in for the M boats September 8, 9, 10? We will have to run the ICW from Port Arthur, Tx. We would like some more info. Jerry and Sue May M-17 #231

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Re: M_Boats: Short shaft vs. Long shaft for M15?
by Conbert H Benneck 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

Hi Stan, I have a Honda 2 HP short shaft on my M15, using a Fulton lift mount, and it works fine. Obviously, if you have the engine running and then go to the bow, the prop might come out of the water momentarily if you have any waves, but this is of no concern to me. I find that the short shaft Honda and the M15 are a great combination. Connie M15 #400 LEPPO

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Re: M_Boats: rot
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

The concept of gitrot is good but in practice it doesn't penetrate well. The stuff is too thick to make way through rotten wood. The method is to drill holes and fill them...then the gitrot is supposed to saturate the rest of the wood. I've tried it several times and the only places "treated" are the holes you put the resin in. You can thin the resin to help make it penetrate but that ends up with a weak structure. Besides that, it is difficult to get the wood really dry. I've played with the stuff several times (along with west systems and other brands) since it came out in the 60s and it has never been 100% successful. My suggestion is to either replace the bad wood or cut out all of the rotted wood and patch with an epoxy & fiber matrix. Teak may have too much natural oil in it to glue well unless it is old and WELL weathered.

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Re: M_Boats: rot
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

For info on wood and wood rot you might contact the USDA Forest Service Wood Products Laboratory, Technology Marketing Unit, Madison, Wisconsin. Try this site: www.fpl.fs.fed.us/tmu woodsybill

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Re: M_Boats: rot
by Steve R 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

Tod, This may be of interest, a DIY wood rot concoction: http://home.att.net/~DaveCarnell/rot.html I have not tried these suggestions. Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- "htmills(a)bright.net" <htmills(a)bright.net> wrote: >Anyone ever use a product called "Git Rot"? Satisfied? >Tod Mills >M17 #408 >"BuscaBrisas"

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Properly bedding deck hardware site
by Doug King 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

Since it's a little slow, I found a good tutorial on bedding deck hardware at a new site (also added to the MSOG links list), marinersguide.com: http://www.marinersguide.com/reviews/hardware/index.html ------------------------------------------ Doug King M-17 #404 "Vixen" Montgomery Sailboats Owners Group Web site: http://msog.org Email: mailto:msog@msog.org

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Priest Lake Rendezvous (long)
by Larry Yake 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

The first annual (hopefully) Priest Lake Interstate Rendezvous in northern Idaho was a huge success with M-boaters converging from Washington, Idaho, and Montana. The three of us enjoyed beautiful scenery, sandy beaches, sparse crowds, and fantastic sailing on one of the prettiest lakes in the northwest. The last week of June proved to be a good time to have the 20 mile lake nearly to ourselves as most people apparently were saving their vacation time for the 4th of July week. I started the week solo, launching on Monday afternoon at the southern end of the lake with a brisk tailwind that held steady for a good 4 hours into the early evening, carrying me wing and wing well up the lake with hardly another boat in sight while I fiddled around rigging a preventer and installing my new whisker pole. The winds were so steady I hardly needed them, although later in the week when things were really gusting I nearly lost the pole when the sail gave it a good shake, somehow unhooked it from the mast eye (maybe I didn't have it completely snapped), and shot it like an arrow out into the lake. I had visions of my new pole exploring the 300 foot depths of the lake, but it rebounded at the opposite angle it dove in, and by lunging to the back corner of the cockpit I was able to snag it as we wizzed by. I anchored near west Twin Island on a dead calm sea, (which was the case every night) and watched the full moon rise over the jagged Selkirk mountains. Not a soul in sight and not a care in the world. Tuesday and Wednesday were more of the same, with calm mornings and evenings and steady winds all afternoon. I shared an anchorage with a bald eagle and her not-so-small youngster Tuesday night, but forecasts of thunderstorms chased me in to a marina on Wednesday night. Priest can get real nasty in a storm and sheltered anchorages are only trustworthy if you're sure which direction the storm will hit from. On Thursday, Charless Fowlkes from Bozeman, Mt. came up with his M15 and joined me for what looked to be a blazing hot float on a calm lake. But while we were shooting the breeze at the ramp, admiring each others boats, the wind started coming up, and by the time we got him launched, my wind gauge said it was gusting to 20mph. I thought it was more, and so did the lake, because in no time 2 to 3 ft. whitecaps were rolling down the lake. We both tied in reefs before setting off and didn't regret it. It was a wild ride, and a little wet, as we headed out close-hauled for the south end of Kalispell Island. Rounding the island we came around to a broad reach, which set up a rolling, surfing action that kept you busy at the tiller. This was the first time I had sailed my M17 with a M15 and I was amazed at the difference in size. That extra 2 feet really makes a difference in room, but those 15's are impressive in the rough conditions they can handle with good speed. Charless is quite a sailor and I had to have my sails trimmed perfect to keep up with him. It wasn't until under lighter wind conditions where I could fully unfurl my 150 genoa that I could pull away from his 15 with it's working jib. On Friday, Randy Graves from Post Falls, Idaho brought his M15 up to join us for the day. We had the same strong winds and waves as Thursday, which I think was an eye-opener for Randy until he got used to them. We enjoyed some great sailing and then stopped on the lee side of Bartoo Island on a beautiful sandy beach for lunch and the usual boat talk. One advantage of those 15's is the shallower draft and kick-up rudder. They were beached long before I was done fussing around trying to get my 17 anchored and positioned with a backing line close enough to shore to wade in. After lunch, Charless and Randy headed in, which proved to be a wise call. I stayed out for another day and endured a night of pouring rain and ended up pulling out the next day without doing any more sailing. All in all, though, a great trip. We've had a couple other mini-rendezvous since then that I'll try to report on later if no one else does. If you're and inland northwest boater, get in touch and we'll plan some more. Larry Yake M17, #200 Tullamore leyake(a)juno.com P.S. Randy took some great digital pictures. Is it OK to attach them to e-mails to this list?

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Re: M_Boats: rot
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

Tod, I tried some Git-Rot on a piece of spruce that was NOT encapsulated many years ago. Results were IMHO less than adequate.( I am not an expert at anyrthing so maybe that was the problem!?) West System with preheated wood may have produced better results. I think you would do best to remove the affected wood and replace it. I know it sounds terrible but it really shouldn't be that bad and it would be 'properly' repaired. Good Luck Gary O M-17 # 316A Blue Goose Stick and Stone Technology Inst. 'yea..we can fix that.'

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San Francisco Sail July 21?
by Cordell Pool 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

I am going to be in San Francisco for business at the end of the week and have most of Sunday the 21st free. I was wondering if anyone was planning on going sailing in the Bay Area that afternoon and had room for an extra hand. Cordell Pool cordell(a)fluidyneengineering.com Bozeman MT Mongmery M-17 #304

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