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Re: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's
by Conbert H Benneck 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Kyle, I don't know where you picked up your story, but all I can say is that I ordered a new tiller from Bob Eeg, who mailed it out to me with the bill enclosed. I paid him when I received the new tiller. Since then, I have found Bob most helpful to all M-ers. He is always ready to answer a question; make a suggestion; or in my latest case when I bent my mast; he immediately e-mailed me and told me the mast section to order from Dwyer Mast, which is the one he is using for new M15s. As far as I'm concerned he's a good (though distant) friend; and I have a high regard for Bob and his products. Connie M15 #400

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last sail, maybe not
by Jerry Williams 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

I skipped out of work early and got in a short 2 hour sail, 36 degrees, 10 to 12mph winds, no gloves. I am more amazed at the M-15's performance with each use. The most enjoyable time though is sailing from or into the slip, something I was reluctant to try with my 26 footers. I installed a 2" X 6" piece of treated lumber across the front of the trailer with u bolts. I then installed an additional roller on that board to assist raising the bow into the yoke when retrieving the boat. This should solve the problem of the boat slipping under the yoke which makes winching the boat into position difficult. I'll take digital photos in case this works. I did the same thing for my McGregor and the results were that I colud pull the boat up to the yoke with a long line, never using the winch. I made sure that the additional roller is not so high that it contacts the boat once it is in the final resting position on the boards. It probably would put stress in an area not intended for weight bearing. I will probably have to pull the boat out in the next 10 days. Our marina is the only one with docks left in the water and freeze over can occur in early December. Last year I relaunched on December 6th, even though there were no docks at any ramps. Wader boots work fine to access the boat after parking the trailer. Jerry Williams M - 15

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Re: M_Boats: Resealing tiller & Rudder & Outboard questions
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

In a message dated 10/29/02 2:20:47 PM, ejeaston(a)hotmail.com writes: << Hello everyone, I am going strip & reseal my tiller & rudder this winter, but I don't know what sealer to use. My local marine shop only had a paint that would tolerate being submersed. They did not think polyurethane was appropriate. Has anyone done this before & have any suggestions. Also, am considering buying a used 1992 Honda 7.5 hp motor for my M17. Does anyone have any experience with this motor. What is it worth on the used market, and is it too big for the boat. Thanks in advance, Jim Easton >> Jim, I just stripped and resealed the rudder on my M15. Like you, I could not find any clear finish that was advertised as being suitable for below the waterline use. I did some research, and ended up doing the following: 1) removed rudder cheeks, and sanded entire board with 80 grit followed by 220 grit (being very careful to keep the foil shape exactly as it was). 2) wiped down entire board with Interlux '202 Solvent Wash' to remove any residual coatings/impurities. 3) applied two coats of 'Smith Brothers (Smith's) Penetrating Epoxy' and sanded lightly with 220 to smooth. 4) applied three coats of Interlux 'Perfection Two-Part Polyurethane Varnish' (not cheap at $49.99/qt.) I almost used Interlux 'Goldspar Varnish' (one part urethane) in lieu of the 'Perfection', but decided that the two part would likely be more abrasion and chip resistant. It is my hope that by saturating the wood with penetrating epoxy first, that any water that finds its way past the polyurethane will be blocked. I spoke at length with Smith Brothers first, and they seemed to think that this strategy was sound. Please note that Penetrating epoxy is different from normal epoxy resin. Well, time will tell, but it looks good and performed well for the few days I have had it in the water since. The M15 rudder kicks up so that in the stowed position is entirely out of the water. If I were to leave an M17 in the water long term, I think I would paint the rudder below the waterline as I would a wooden hull. I'll yield to M17 owners with respect to engine choice, but I believe the consensus is that the Honda 5 hp is more than adequate, and provides a better performance to weight ratio for the M17. If I recall correctly, the 7.5 (later replaced by the 8) is based on the same powerhead as the 9.9/10hp, and is considerably heavier. We had an older Honda 7.5 on a Cal 25. It gave great service, but seems like it might be overkill for the M17. Good luck! Scott Grometer, M15#478 'bebe'

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RE: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's
by Smith, Tom 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

Kyle, this horse has been beaten extensively. Last time it came up (and it hasn't come up for quite a while), we all agreed it was an off-list topic. But I think you have seen from the response from the list that Bob's given good service by and large. If there have been others with a bad experience they'll probably get in touch via your email rather than the list. Good luck. Tom Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Enlow, Kyle S [mailto:kenlow@indiana.edu] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:59 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's I have discovered some information that Bob Eeg has taken some people when it comes to selling boats? What is the story the information I read http://www.norsea27.com/faq.htm#just%20the%20faqs%20mamn looks pretty convincing. Who owns Montgomery boats? If you purchase one will you actually take delivery? Thanks Kyle _____ This message was scanned for viruses.

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N-27
by Steve R 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

I have three hours left at work, need to repair the computer when I get home, and must visit an on-line chat room for class discussion tonight. However, after viewing the web sites Bob listed, I likely will spend the rest of the day dreaming about a 27. Nice to know she may be towed cross country with a small V-8. Interesting mast raising set-up on the French site. Pretty. Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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Re: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's
by DDAYSTROM＠aol.com 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

Kyle, I have also purchased parts from Bob and have been pleased with the service received. He has also taken the time to answer several of my questions. -al williams > I purchased some parts from Bob E. and they were delivered >promptly. I didn't even pay until after the parts came in...

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Re: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's
by Randy Watkins 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

hello Kyle, I purchased some parts from Bob E. and they were delivered promptly. I didn't even pay until after the parts came in. If purchasing a new boat and paying for it and it not showing up is a concern you can always wait until they have a new one for sale and go out and inspect it and pay for it then or arrange for an agent to do that for you. I don't have an Mboat at present ( sailing a Ranger 20 ) but I hope to purchase another one in the future, probably a new M15. I also know of a sailor in Lake Charles that ordered a new one from the factory and it was delivered, no problem. free business advice for what's it worth- protection under the law- I'm not a lawyer, but a purchasing agent for a research ship and deal with purchasing on a large and small dollar basis. There is protection for the consumer under the UCC, article 2. You do want to ensure you have insurance for any new item or used item purchased and being transported. You normally own it once it leaves the factory or place of sale. If any thing happens to the boat or equipment it's in your court to deal with. You might want to ask for a quotation clearly showing anything being purchased in detail and the terms of transportation. take care, Randy Watkins >>> kenlow(a)indiana.edu 10/28/02 08:59AM >>> I have discovered some information that Bob Eeg has taken some people when it comes to selling boats? What is the story the information I read http://www.norsea27.com/faq.htm#just%20the%20faqs%20mamn looks pretty convincing. Who owns Montgomery boats? If you purchase one will you actually take delivery? Thanks Kyle

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Re: M_Boats: Calling all M23 owners
by Michael L Bowden 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

Dear Montgomery owners, Theo Petron and myself would like to put together a current list of all M23 owners, hull numbers, locations etc. for sharing information, upgrades, stories, etc. We are also planning on designing a T-shirt. At your leisure, please drop us a post. Both of our M23's are now on the hard up here in Minnesota. Thanks! Michael "Bones" Bowden M23 #75 1979 M17 #92 1976 M6.8 ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

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Re: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's
by Rotortom2＠aol.com 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

I have dealt with Bob Eeg on several occasions in the last few years, and have been impressed with his enthusiasitic attitude toward the boats he makes. I screwed up my rudder at the start of a 2 week vacation in Ventura, and went to Bob for a new rudder. When I called him, he said to bring my old rudder to him and he would see what he could do. When I showed up, he took one of his guys working on a new M-17 and had him take the fittings off of my old rudder and fit them to the new one, gave me a new tiller, and charged me $100 for the whole thing! I judge Bob by how he has treated me, and I would have no qualms in purchasing a M-23 from him. (assuming of course I decide on the M-23 vs a Norsea 27) Tom Woodworth M-17 "Wild Hare"

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Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
by JERRYGMAY＠aol.com 29 Oct '02

29 Oct '02

I am looking to buy a bigger boat and am thinking of selling M-17 #231 I have a trailor and a 4 stroke 6 Nission three head sails, sail and engine covers the condition is fair to good, engine is a 2000, new condition. How much should I ask? In Southeast Texas. Jerry May

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