October 2002 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Dulcibella arrived in good shape
by David Fann 15 Mar '03

15 Mar '03

The truck carrying Dulcibella, my shiny new Montgomery 17, reached Gainesville (FL) late this afternoon. Boat and trailer are in excellent condition. We started getting compliments even as the unloading proceeded in a mall parking lot. At home, we found she is just a hair too large for the garage. On to Plan B for storage... Now for some boat rigging. The mast/boom package was nicely bubble wrapped, so tomorrow will be like an early Christmas, with presents to open. Thanks, Montgomery Boats! David Fann M17 Dulcibella

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RE: M_Boats: New sails & mast light plug
by Richard Conn 03 Nov '02

03 Nov '02

Giles, If you go with Quantum make sure you know what you'll be paying. I was surprised by their Richmond, CA loft with a tab of something over $360 for slugs and a second reef point on my main. Rich M-17 "Beatrice" #613 >From: "Morris, Giles" <giles.morris(a)unisys.com> >Reply-To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >To: "'montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com'" ><montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: RE: M_Boats: New sails & mast light plug >Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:28:54 -0500 > > >Are there any sail makers you'd recommend or recommend against? > >I've only bought sails once, and am far from an expert on them, but am >happy >with the main and (furling) genoa that I bought from Mack Sails of Florida >for Dolphin. (http://www.macksails.com/) A friend is happy with his sails >from Quantum (I forget which loft, but it is in the Chesapeake area. >Oxford?) and I was impressed when I visited their Annapolis loft. > >Giles Morris >Arlington VA >Vancouver 25 "Dolphin" >Montgomery 15 "Umiaq" >Sundry small craft > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
by Conbert H Benneck 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

Bones, The only reason I say bigger is not better, is because I've been there and done that. However, all this is a function of many variables: size of family; what you want to really use the boat for - day sailing; overnighting ; longer periods of cruising; what you are willing to live with for trailerability. This determines whether or not you need an M15 or an M17 Our 29 footer was an ideal boat for four; and we spent many happy summers sailing her, but traileralble - no way. Now I am at the other end of the size scale. A Jetta wagon for a tow vehicle, and an M15 as the playtime sailboat. No marina charges; no launch or hauling charges; no mast storage charges. The M15 lives next to the garage. I can work on it easily. If I need a drill or a screwdriver, it is a short trip down into the cellar to get what I need. Parts are small and light - a one person operation. The cockpit is long enough for the Admirable to stretch out and enjoy a snooze while I'm on a beam reach across Lake Champlain, dreaming of foreign lands that appear over the horizon (Vermont!). In short, I've optimized my sailing experiences: same fun; same adventures; at almost 0 cost. The M15 allows me to go to cruising grounds where I would have had to spend a week's vacation just getting there. Now it is a few hours up or down the Interstate cruising, hard on the wind at 65 to 70 MPH! Vacation time is spent sailing, not in getting to the new cruising grounds! The pleasure is the same: only the costs for the pleasure have gone from $3K per season ('92 prices) to almost $0. I also no longer have to maintain an engine and it's cooling system; a toilet and holding tank system; the fresh water system, galley stove and the refrigerator system; dinghies; and all the ancillary equipment that goes with a bigger boat. Nor is it like moving a three room apartment, when you have to empty the boat at the end of the sailing season. The M15 is small, light weight; low on equipment requirements for it's operation, and my 2 HP Honda is a great little auxillary power unit. It is an ideal compromise and a great return on investment, for the pleasure it provides. If you need new equipment or new "toys" for the boat, again, we are talking in small sums. A friend of mine bases the cost of his toys on the price of martinis. If his latest toy cost $10; it was a two Martini toy. The M15 is similar. I have yet to exceed the 6 Martini limit on new gadgets, gilhickies, or dodads, needed to decorate and further enhance an M15, but my bent mast will alter that equation. But even there, the cost of a new mast will not break the bank. M sailing is pure unadultrated fun.......... Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's
by Rotortom2＠aol.com 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

Since my sailing experience has been limited to my M-17, my knowledge of really bad boats in the 17 foot range is extremely limited. Perhaps some of you out there in M-land have ideas as to the really crappy boats in that size range which we can recommend to Kyle. I think the Potter 19 is far too good for him!

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Re: M_Boats: Nor'Sea 27 in Good Old Boat and thanks
by Conbert H Benneck 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

Hey gang, If you want interesting reading - wildly varying subjects: from model boat sailing in New Zealand to articles on dinghies (should have had that 30 years ago then I wouldn't have had to painfully learn everything that the article mentions); to Phil Bolger articles; to interesting boat experiences and adventures, plus a free classified section for subscribers; subscribe to Messing About in Boats 29 Burley St. Wenham, MA 01984-1943 Subscription cost: $28.00 per year for two issues a month.......... I gave up the "glossies" long ago, with their endless articles: "the pointy end is called the bow; and the blunt end is called the stern........" Messing About in Boats is a lot more fun to read and enjoy. Connie

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rudder
by dik lang 01 Nov '02

01 Nov '02

I have my boat next to my garage for the winter and want to do some work on the rudder. Is there a template available or can I make one to create the proper foil shape? Dik Lang Sweet Pea M-17 _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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Re: M_Boats: New Member with a question
by Francene Lebowitz 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

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New Member with a question
by Gordon Allgrove 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hello All, Thank You for the 'Welcome' email. We just bought a 1982 Vintage Montgomery 8 Sailing Dinghy that has been slightly neglected and slightly modified. I am encouraged by the MSOG & web site and the few emails I've already seen. FYI - We've named our little one Coba (the Mayan word for 'Water stirred by Wind'). There wasn't any name or Sail number on her except the Hull Vessel ID # (so no break with 'boat naming' tradition). Other than the daggerboard, she looks complete. My Background: We are based inland from Santa Cruz, CA in a little town called Scotts Valley. We usually do mostly fresh water boating from here (e.g. Lake Vasona near Los Gatos) to Lake Tahoe or 'wherever' we want to take in some 'more water' such as Clear Lake, Shasta Lake, Lake Naciemento, etc. - some people call it "lookyloo" . Ocassionally we sail on Monterey Bay (e.g. with friends or charter). We have four small boats at the moment, 2 sail (1940 Vintage Snipe in restoration & now the Montgomery 8) and 2 power (aluminum fisher and I/O Bayliner). All trailerable. I've been on the water since I was a teen (e.g. Sea Explorers w/ 50 ft ex Coast Guard picket ship & whatever). I completed the Coast Guard Aux training years ago. Later I had a fixed keel sailor wet berthed in Moss Landing and enjoyed Monterey Bay, San Francisco Bay & the coastal sailing for many years (before Divorce with Wife #1). In recent years there were too many working hours with clients to justify having a larger boat (7x12 makes it rough to even check on your boat). FYI - The wife, Pam loves to decorate our home with her Sea Shells (her favorite collection hobby) and Nautical stuff throughout (like a model sailboat on the mantle). One might get the 'bends' in our downstairs bathroom. My question is about the daggerboard for the Montgomery 8. The previous owner thought the daggerboard was too long for fishing, so he took a saw to it and lopped of a piece. I'd like to either Buy another 'or' make another one to the original spec length. Can anyone tell me who might have one 'or' what length to make the next one?? TallTrees (of the Santa Cruz Mountains) Gordon

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Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
by Conbert H Benneck 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hi Wes, Sorry to have to disappoint you, but I live, and the M15 lives, in Connecticut. We head for Essex, NY and use that as a base for doing some sailing on Lake Champlain during our vacation, but the rest of the summer, LEPPO, our M15 is sailed on Lake Pocotopaug which is in East Hampton, CT. But, if you ever pass through the Hartford, CT area, we are 15 minutes from downtown, and I'd be glad to show you an M15. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Nor'Sea 27 in Good Old Boat and thanks
by Conbert H Benneck 31 Oct '02

31 Oct '02

Hi Steve, The answer to your question is yes: I wrote an article about buying a boat sight-unseen, and MAIB published it. That was the story of the M15 I bought in Panama City, FL. Been happy as a clam with my wonderful M15 ever since. Connie M15 #400

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