October 2002 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: Resealing tiller & Rudder & Outboard questions
by Michael L Bowden 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Hey Jim, A 7.5 hp may be too heavy for the M17. I use a Yamaha 4hp 4 stroke with my M17 and seems ideal. I do have a spring assisted motor bracket. On the M23 I use a Mariner 8hp 2-stroke electric start. It pushes her just fine. Depending upon the seaways you're navigating, I prefer a smaller motor to keep transom weight low. Older M17's will suffer from water coming in the scupper with too much weight in the cockpit and a heavy outboard. A newer 4 stroke is the "green" way to go, my old Johnson 6hp 2 stroke was very dirty as far as polution and spitting fuel. The Mariner 8hp on the M23 will be replaced with an '85 Honda 10hp 4 stroke for next season. No more mixing gas for me. Both motors weigh the same, 78 lbs. Later, Bones ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

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Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #413 - 11 msgs
by Michael L Bowden 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Jerry, In my opinion, a M17, trailer, 4-stroke, in OK sailable condition should sell for $5500 to $6500. Perhaps less if it needs a bottom job or has a stuck centerboard. What are you considering? Connie will remark that bigger is not always better. Hard to beat a M17 for the fun factor. Bones

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Re: M_Boats: Calling all M23 owners
by Michael L Bowden 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Hi Jeff, Thanks for the reply! Glad you're adjusting to your M23, as I am to mine. As the list falls together, I will keep you informed. Of course, I'm jealous because you're sailing and I'm not. Temp here 36 degrees. Later, Bones in Mpls ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

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RE: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's
by Smith, Tom 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

There aren't any off-limit subjects on the list so far as I know Kyle. But the topic's been discussed, and as is often said regarding things that have been explored exhaustively (like towing rigs and which motor or anchor is appropriate), go to the archives. If you want to talk to people who have a problem with Bob, send that message to the list, then take it up with them off-line. The subject isn't sensitive, it's just tiresome. To write off a Montgomery simply because of the guy who happens to be building new ones is silly. I sail an M15 because Jerry Montgomery designed and built a terrific boat. There are many used ones out there--you don't have to buy a new one. tom Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Enlow, Kyle S [mailto:kenlow@indiana.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:31 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's I am new to the list so I didn't know that this issue was off limits. I was interested in the m17 because I read some things that said it was a very good boat. I read most of this off the msog.org website. I am sure that many of you are very happy with your boat and the way you have been treated by Mr. Eeg. However, I am surprised at the number of emails I have received from people that were less than happy or unhappy. I haven't written this boat off yet but I am actively looking for a comparable alternative. Sorry to touch on a sensitive subject. Kyle -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Tom [mailto:Tom.Smith@itron.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 2:06 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's Kyle, this horse has been beaten extensively. Last time it came up (and it hasn't come up for quite a while), we all agreed it was an off-list topic. But I think you have seen from the response from the list that Bob's given good service by and large. If there have been others with a bad experience they'll probably get in touch via your email rather than the list. Good luck. Tom Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Enlow, Kyle S [mailto:kenlow@indiana.edu] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:59 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Robert Eeg's I have discovered some information that Bob Eeg has taken some people when it comes to selling boats? What is the story the information I read http://www.norsea27.com/faq.htm#just%20the%20faqs%20mamn looks pretty convincing. Who owns Montgomery boats? If you purchase one will you actually take delivery? Thanks Kyle _____ This message was scanned for viruses. _____ This message was scanned for viruses.

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RE: M_Boats: Resealing tiller & Rudder & Outboard questions
by Smith, Tom 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Maybe I'm crazy, but I simply varnish my rudder and use no undercoat at all. Although I keep my M15 in the water all summer, I stow the rudder after each outing. I've noticed no degradation whatsoever over the past summer. I dismantle the whole thing in the winter and sand and re-apply three or four coats of Epiphanes. tom Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Don Haas [mailto:dshaas@sprintmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:43 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Resealing tiller & Rudder & Outboard questions I took my M-15 rudder apart 4 years ago, srtipped the old finish, sanded and restained it. I final coated it with a product called Dura-Tuff. The label says "Replaces varnish, More Scratch Resistant, Faster cure and Greated UV protection." Anyway its been on for four years and still looks very nice. I dry sail most of the time and when I do moore the boat for the summer, the rudder/tiller is stowed in the cabin. Still, I would use the stuff again on any similar project. Don Haas M15-248 "E. James Easton" wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am going strip & reseal my tiller & rudder this winter, but I don't know > what sealer to use. My local marine shop only had a paint that would > tolerate being submersed. They did not think polyurethane was appropriate. > Has anyone done this before & have any suggestions. > > Also, am considering buying a used 1992 Honda 7.5 hp motor for my M17. Does > anyone have any experience with this motor. What is it worth on the used > market, and is it too big for the boat. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Easton > > _________________________________________________________________ > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses.

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RE: M_Boats: Resealing tiller & Rudder & Outboard questions
by Jorge, Maria 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Tod: I am about to start on my rudder. What epoxy did you use, how many coats and what varnish?. I have West marine two part epoxy since I am over drilling and back filling all the holes on the deck. Can I use this on the rudder? All details/tips would be highly welcomed. Thanks. Maiki -----Original Message----- From: htmills(a)bright.net [mailto:htmills@bright.net] Sent: None To: >Mboats< Subject: Re: M_Boats: Resealing tiller & Rudder & Outboard questions Hi, Jim This summer I sealed my new rudder with epoxy, coating the epoxy w/ varnish for UV protection. My boat is dry-sailed. Not sure what the 7.5 weighs, but a former owner of BuscaBrisas who sailed her from Port Angeles, WA to Bella Coola, BC and back started out with a Honda 5 with no alternator and then traded outboards with someone he met along the way. The outboard he traded for was a Honda 8 with an alternator (Rod wanted the alternator for battery charging). After I came to own her (buying her without an outboard), Rod mentioned that the 8 hp was noticably too heavy for the boat. Maybe you can compare the weight of the 7.5 to the 8 (79# dry for longshaft) and the 5 (61# dry for longshaft). Hope this helps, Tod Mills M17 #408 "BuscaBrisas" ---------- > Hello everyone, > > I am going strip & reseal my tiller & rudder this winter, but I don't know > what sealer to use. My local marine shop only had a paint that would > tolerate being submersed. They did not think polyurethane was appropriate. > Has anyone done this before & have any suggestions. > > Also, am considering buying a used 1992 Honda 7.5 hp motor for my M17. Does > anyone have any experience with this motor. What is it worth on the used > market, and is it too big for the boat. > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Easton > > _________________________________________________________________ > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Nor'Sea 27 in Good Old Boat and thanks
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

In a message dated 10/29/02 6:48:17 PM, chonshell(a)ia4u.net writes: << Is "Good Old Boat" going to feature the M23, too, or does it just have the pic on its website? I thought someone had mentioned a printed article on the 23' was to appear in GOB (???) . . . I agree, "Good Old Boat" is great: It's one "flaw" is that it's bi-monthly . . . Six issues a year just aren't enough. >> As it happens, I spoke with Jerry at GOB today. Yes, they are going to do a feature on the M23. Apparently the article has been written, and photos taken. Scott Grometer, M15 #478 'bebe

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Resealing tiller & Rudder & Outboard questions
by E. James Easton 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Hello everyone, I am going strip & reseal my tiller & rudder this winter, but I don't know what sealer to use. My local marine shop only had a paint that would tolerate being submersed. They did not think polyurethane was appropriate. Has anyone done this before & have any suggestions. Also, am considering buying a used 1992 Honda 7.5 hp motor for my M17. Does anyone have any experience with this motor. What is it worth on the used market, and is it too big for the boat. Thanks in advance, Jim Easton _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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Nor'Sea 27 in Good Old Boat
by Morris, Giles 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Just a small heads-up: The latest Good Old Boat magazine arrived last night, and I found a rather good article on the Nor'Sea 27 in it. If I hadn't wanted one before, I would now. Giles Morris

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Robert Eeg's
by Honshells 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

I own an '84 Montgomery Marine Montgomery 17', a boat Bob didn't build (I don't know when Nor'Sea acquired the M17 molds: I think the answer is on www.norseayachts.com) Nevertheless, I have talked to Bob repeatedly via phone and email and he has been exceptionally patient, responsive and helpful. If Bob is so responsive to me, who has never been a Nor'Sea customer, much less a Nor'Sea 27'/37' customer, I am convinced he is genuine. I only scanned the disgruntled customer's web-page briefly, but he alludes to "seven other" unhappy parties besides himself and I'm sure that if you were able to poll all NS27/37 customers, you'd find the majority are as supportive of Bob as the Montgomery owners on this mailing list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conbert H Benneck" <chbenneck(a)juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Robert Eeg's Kyle, I don't know where you picked up your story, but all I can say is that I ordered a new tiller from Bob Eeg, who mailed it out to me with the bill enclosed. I paid him when I received the new tiller. Since then, I have found Bob most helpful to all M-ers. He is always ready to answer a question; make a suggestion; or in my latest case when I bent my mast; he immediately e-mailed me and told me the mast section to order from Dwyer Mast, which is the one he is using for new M15s. As far as I'm concerned he's a good (though distant) friend; and I have a high regard for Bob and his products. Connie M15 #400

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