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Fw: Questions
by Robert Hall 22 Dec '12

22 Dec '12

From: Robert Hall Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 8:56 PM To: Jerry Montgomery Subject: Questions Hi Jerry. I enjoy reading e mails from you on the Monty site and learn a lot from them and those of other owners . I have two questions which probably only you can answer. First my M 15 was built in 1981 and has a 19 ft mast. You have given the rig dimensions on the owners site as I 15.33 J 4.58 P 16.83 and E 7.83 for the M-15. Do those measurements hold true for a boat with a 19 ft mast which I believe is slightly shorter than used on your later boats? Next my boat takes on water into that box- like space approximately under the thwart in the very bottom of the boat. I suppose the space holds about a gallon of water and it requires pumping out about every 10 days. The water accumulates faster if the boat has been heeling a lot. The top appears to be well sealed to the hull along the gunwales,no evidence of leaking there.. There is no sign of damage on the hull or keel and of course at 6 ft 2 in and 82 years of age there is no way I can get a look into that interior space.My boat is on the hard under a snow drift till April, but a younger,smaller, boat savvy friend and I will try again to discover the source of the leak come spring . Have you any advice on any techniques or tricks which we might employ to diagnose the problem ? Your advice will be much appreciated The leak poses little danger to those using the boat, but it is a bloody nuisance, particularly because if we can’t find the source we certainly cannot fix it. From a frustrated M –15 sailor. Have a good holiday season and all health in 2013. RTH. PS the M-15 has been a great boat for me and a source of great interest and admiration among the” big boat” people at my yacht club.

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Re: M_Boats: Questions
by bownez＠juno.com 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

Hello Bill, The marine head is in the V berth, starboard side. The small square holding tank sits forward of the head with a vent and deck pumpout leading up to the toerail. I modified the holding tank years ago to be removable and only to be used for "liquids". This was for the benefit of female passengers and my bride. I used a plastic gas tank and modified the fittings. This way, I could remove the tank and empty it at the marina dump site. I returned the system to stock form before my trip to the North Channel in Ontario to be legal. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50d3dbe221df55be114b8st02vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Questions
by bownez＠juno.com 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

Howard, My 1976 M17 #92 has a marine head and holding tank. It is the only system allowed in Ontario, Canada. My M17 probably came from Sailboats, Inc. (a long time ago). Bones ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50d38d12108a3d117069st02vuc

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Re: M_Boats: questions on a 21'
by Stan 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

What a great idea. You could be the #1 man to the # 2 business!

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questions on a 21'
by jerry montgomery 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

If you were interested in buying a new boat of about 21', maybe a 2500 lb boat, what would be the ideal beam for you? keep in mind that all interstate highways now have a 9" max, but some state highways still have an 8' max. even tho I've heard that the 8' limit, where applicable, is not inforced. Remember that there should be a relationship between beam and freeboard, so more beam is more bigger. Also keep in mind trailering. A beam of 9' is hard to see around w/o really wide mirrors, even with a pickup truck.. It would probably be a keel/centerboarder so maybe it would sit high enough on the trailer so that your line of vision would be mostly under the widest part. maybe. This is a hypothetical boat; i've picked 21' mainly because of what I'd want in the interior, and beam really wouldn't be a big factor other than visually. The Catalina 22, Montgomery 23, probably all of the larger McGregors, etc, are all 8' in beam. Maybe my question should have been "do you want to go wider than these boats"? Within the 9' max there really wouldn't be a big difference in performance that couldn't be controlled with sail area. I made up an index many years ago on the relationship between length, beam, and freeboard, for trailerable-sized boats, taking into account only sailing qualities and asssuming the market would not be a factor (which never happens), and the beam according to that index comes out to be 8' 3". I don't claim the index to be correct altho I had many hours of input from Lyle Hess and Ron Holder over lunches and beers and there IS a lot of thought into it, for what that's worth. jerry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 7577 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

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Dinghy for Montgomery 15
by David Grah 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

I just get the digest version of this group so may be sending this a bit late. We use a cheap 2 person inflatable in our Montgomery 15. We don't need to row a long way in it or go out in really rough water (but have used it to float whitewater) but it works great. It inflates and deflates with a battery powered inflater in a minute or two and stores easily under the left side of the cockpit. It is comfortable for one but two fit fine. I've rowed it a half a mile or so, and although not efficient, it was doable. We don't tow it because it easy enough to bring out and put away. It is interesting to ready about the other options, but I can't imagine anything better for our purposes. David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California

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Re: M_Boats: questions on a 21'
by bownez＠juno.com 19 Dec '12

19 Dec '12

Jerry and Listers, Sorry about the incomplete previous message, I have a new laptop and the keyboard is more sensitive than my old workhorse. Anyway, my size 13 canoes for feet can negotiate the M23 side deck, but, one must be careful. As I understand it, you were never very pleased with the coachroof on the original M23 anyway. Thus, to answer your question, 8' beams fine with me. Are you designing a new sailboat Mr. Montgomery? See you in Havasu. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50d26d96f085b6d960c79st04vuc

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Dingy for M15?
by Jim Sadler 19 Dec '12

19 Dec '12

Any skippers have ideas for a small dingy that I can carry on my M15? Just need to row from the anchorage to the dock approx 50 yards. Captain ePoohJim skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15

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Free NOAA charts
by Daniel Rich 18 Dec '12

18 Dec '12

I am preparing for the Port Townsend Small Boat Sailing Academy next weekend, and am doing some homework before the event. One thing I have never had to do is navigate and really read a chart, so I am learning about that with some excellent books I have purchased. It turns out that you can download very useful charts directly from NOAA as printable booklets at this link: http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/staff/BookletChart.html Some of you probably already know a great deal about this, but I just figured I would share this nice link. These things are really good, and are slightly smaller than the real thing. I have the real chart for Tomales Bay, which is chart #18643, but the booklet version is really nice. I can look at it on my iPad, or print it. My color printer does 2 sided printing, which is what the pdf is designed for, and it prints really well. Opposed pages line up. So, if you did not know about this free resource, there you are. I have downloaded a few more, including the Port Townsend chart for my upcoming trip. Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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Re: M_Boats: Free NOAA charts
by W David Scobie 18 Dec '12

18 Dec '12

Larry H.: almost all of the charts are there ... public record thing so we can download and print for 'free'. direct link to the 'Sac. river' charts - (warning - VERY LARGE PFD download) http://ocsdata.ncd.noaa.gov/BookletChart/18661_BookletChart.pdf the link in Daniel's post below is the 'home page' for the US charts. see the regions links (Atlantic Coast, Gulf Coast, Pacific Coast, Alaska, Great Lakes) in the middle of the page. i used this service to make a set of paper charts for my trip to Long Beach this past week. :: Dave Scobie --- On Tue, 12/18/12, Hughston, Larry@DGS <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> wrote: > > Daniel, are charts for the Delta and > Sacramento River available through NOAA also? > > ---Larry Hughston M-15 > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of Daniel Rich > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:34 PM > > I am preparing for the Port Townsend Small Boat Sailing > Academy next weekend, and am doing some homework before the > event. One thing I have never had to do is navigate and > really read a chart, so I am learning about that with some > excellent books I have purchased. It turns out that you can > download very useful charts directly from NOAA as printable > booklets at this link: > > http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/staff/BookletChart.html > > Some of you probably already know a great deal about this, > but I just figured I would share this nice link. > > These things are really good, and are slightly smaller than > the real thing. I have the real chart for Tomales Bay, which > is chart #18643, but the booklet version is really nice. I > can look at it on my iPad, or print it. My color printer > does 2 sided printing, which is what the pdf is designed > for, and it prints really well. Opposed pages line up. So, > if you did not know about this free resource, there you are. > I have downloaded a few more, including the Port Townsend > chart for my upcoming trip. > > > > Daniel Rich > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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