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Columbia River Bar
by Linda Cummings 10 Dec '12

10 Dec '12

* The Columbia River Bar is rated as the 3rd most dangerous river in the world, and is home to the U.S. Coast Guard advance SAR training. Crossing the bar requires the guidance of a licensed river pilot.* * It is known as the "Graveyard of the Pacific". * * The Columbia River runs from British Columbia through Washington State and is the state line between Washington and Oregon.*

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(no subject)
by jerry montgomery 10 Dec '12

10 Dec '12

This morning, while clearing out some space in my shop for the upcoming Sage 15 I found a dusty box with some old paperwork, including a notebook entitled “history of changes”. Some of this might be interesting to some of you. If not, you have a delete button. I’m leaving out quite a bit because I know that nobody cares! M-17- # of boats made: 1973 7 boats 1974 44 boats 75 32 boats incl 2 flushdecks 76 44 boats incl 2 flushdecks 77 43 boats incl 4 flushdecks 78 19 boats incl 1 flushdeck 79 and 80- 42 boats 81 19 boats 82 20 boats 83 20 boats, slowly dropping after that. (Note the big drop in 75 and 78- these were the two oil crises! Note that production was reduced from one per week to one boat per two weeks; several of these years we shut down between Thanksgiving to New Year’s due to lack of business. Interesting times. (‘m astounded that we first started the 17 tooling in early Spring and shipped the first boat in October. Impossible! 7 months! That’s what happens when you have lots of good help working on tooling 40 hours a week, which was easy to come by in Costa Mesa in those days. The big companies were laying off people). M-15: Started tooling in June 81, two of us made the plugs working nites and weekends, guys in the mold shop did most of the finishing and mold-making. We finished the first boat Oct of the same year. Again, amazing what lots of help can do. 5 months! 1980 11 boats 81 78 boats 82 41 boats 83 34 boats 84 38 boats 85 32 boats, slowly dropping after that. Intereasting to note that the high point in national production was in 74, just before the first gas crunch. The high in numbers of non-aux sailboats was 121K boats if my memory is correct, and by the mid 80’s it was below 10K. Few of us were smart enough to figure out what was happening for years! (damn- looks like we’re having another bad year. Maybe next year). In the meantime builders were dropping like flies. In Oct 83 I changed the port seat locker to like the 17; cut out the box for access into a bilge locker. Way better, but cost more to build. Decided to do that after my first crossing of the Gulf in a 15- because it became very obvious that the extra storage was worth its weight in gold. Summer 85; # 335, Added 50 lbs of trim ballast forward, making total of 75, then changed 50 of that to a steel plate to make more room for those who wanted to install an elect pkg. The notebook had sat in various boxes in various places for almost 30 years and is quite tattered and some of the info was indecipherable, but it beats my memory! It’s been quite a trip. jerry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 7529 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

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Re: M_Boats: Fw: THE COLUMBIA RIVER IN OREGON USA.
by edarts93＠earthlink.net 09 Dec '12

09 Dec '12

The problem when crossing a river bar isn't the size of the waves (easily handled on the open sea). It's the river current, tidal flow, shifting and shallow bottom along with the hard edges of the river reflecting waves. Coming in on an ebb tide is downright foolish in a small sailboat when a big swell is running (don't ask me how I know). It's like being in a washing machine with big waves coming from multiple directions and you're only able to make 1 or 2 knots over the bottom (even though you're doing 6 knots through the water). Each wave tries to turn you broadside to the next as they work to roll you over. By the way, the water is about 50° (in the summer) and if you go in you probably won't make it home (zero chance without a PFD)! I try to always view conditions like those in the video from a safe spot on shore. :) Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith Winchester Bay, Oregon -----Original Message----- >From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >Sent: Dec 7, 2012 12:24 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fw: THE COLUMBIA RIVER IN OREGON USA. > >Who needs a surfboard when you've got a fishing boat? >Hopefully they've got a lot of fish and ice in the hold to keep them >upright... > >The real question is, how would an M15 or M17 handle that? ;-) > >thanks, >John S. > >(whose grandfather was a small-boat commercial fisherman) > >On 12/07/2012 09:43 AM, jerry montgomery wrote: >> This doesn't have much to do with sailing, but I enjoyed it! It must >> be in the pacific at the mouth of the Columbia. Incredibly long >> lense on the camera. >> >> Subj: Fw: THE COLUMBIA RIVER BAR IN OREGON USA. > >> WANT TO GO FISHING? >> > >> SEASICK ANYONE? > >> http://www.youtube.com/embed/ByGSMmenPDM?rel=0 > > >-- >John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >-------------------------------------------- >- Eco-Living - >Whole Systems Design Services >People - Place - Learning - Integration >john(a)eco-living.net >http://eco-living.net >http://sociocracyconsulting.com >

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Re: M_Boats: THE COLUMBIA RIVER IN OREGON USA.
by edarts93＠earthlink.net 09 Dec '12

09 Dec '12

The Umpqua river bar behaves like this too. We pick our days and times to cross with care realizing that when she turns foul its best to stay outside if you're out and inside if you're in!! Commercial fisherman cross whenever there is a chance to fish and sometimes pay a high price. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith -----Original Message----- >From: Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> >Sent: Dec 7, 2012 12:06 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fw: THE COLUMBIA RIVER IN OREGON USA. > >They better have good seatbelts. That and strong stomachs! > >The photog must have a zillion bucks worth of glass on that camera. > >Rick >M17 #633 >Lynne L > >On Friday, December 7, 2012, jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >wrote: >> This doesn't have much to do with sailing, but I enjoyed it! It must be >in the pacific at the mouth of the Columbia. Incredibly long lense on the >camera. >> >> jerry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subj: Fw: THE COLUMBIA RIVER BAR IN OREGON USA. >> >> >> >> WANT TO GO FISHING? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> SEASICK ANYONE? >> >> . >> >> http://www.youtube.com/embed/ByGSMmenPDM?rel=0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> </ >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Text inserted by Panda IS 2012: >> >> This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail >(spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: It is spam! >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> SPAMfighter has removed 7529 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan >http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen >>

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Re: M_Boats: (no subject)
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

Good stuff Jerry. Save it for the wall at S.M. sal In a message dated 12/7/2012 5:01:23 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: This morning, while clearing out some space in my shop for the upcoming Sage 15 I found a dusty box with some old paperwork, including a notebook entitled “history of changes”. Some of this might be interesting to some of you. If not, you have a delete button. I’m leaving out quite a bit because I know that nobody cares! M-17- # of boats made: 1973 7 boats 1974 44 boats 75 32 boats incl 2 flushdecks 76 44 boats incl 2 flushdecks 77 43 boats incl 4 flushdecks 78 19 boats incl 1 flushdeck 79 and 80- 42 boats 81 19 boats 82 20 boats 83 20 boats, slowly dropping after that. (Note the big drop in 75 and 78- these were the two oil crises! Note that production was reduced from one per week to one boat per two weeks; several of these years we shut down between Thanksgiving to New Year’s due to lack of business. Interesting times. (‘m astounded that we first started the 17 tooling in early Spring and shipped the first boat in October. Impossible! 7 months! That’s what happens when you have lots of good help working on tooling 40 hours a week, which was easy to come by in Costa Mesa in those days. The big companies were laying off people). M-15: Started tooling in June 81, two of us made the plugs working nites and weekends, guys in the mold shop did most of the finishing and mold-making. We finished the first boat Oct of the same year. Again, amazing what lots of help can do. 5 months! 1980 11 boats 81 78 boats 82 41 boats 83 34 boats 84 38 boats 85 32 boats, slowly dropping after that. Intereasting to note that the high point in national production was in 74, just before the first gas crunch. The high in numbers of non-aux sailboats was 121K boats if my memory is correct, and by the mid 80’s it was below 10K. Few of us were smart enough to figure out what was happening for years! (damn- looks like we’re having another bad year. Maybe next year). In the meantime builders were dropping like flies. In Oct 83 I changed the port seat locker to like the 17; cut out the box for access into a bilge locker. Way better, but cost more to build. Decided to do that after my first crossing of the Gulf in a 15- because it became very obvious that the extra storage was worth its weight in gold. Summer 85; # 335, Added 50 lbs of trim ballast forward, making total of 75, then changed 50 of that to a steel plate to make more room for those who wanted to install an elect pkg. The notebook had sat in various boxes in various places for almost 30 years and is quite tattered and some of the info was indecipherable, but it beats my memory! It’s been quite a trip. jerry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 7529 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

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Re: M_Boats: Fw: THE COLUMBIA RIVER IN OREGON USA.
by Stan 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

A storm jib repairs a broken rudder???? I'll be a monkeys uncle

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Re: M_Boats: (no subject)
by Neil Dorf 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

Hey Jerry if you want to get those documents to me I can scan the pages so that you can have an electronic archive and easily distribute if you want. Neil Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "Bill Wickett" <billwick(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) Date: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 5:03 pm Jerry, that is history. Don't accidentally burn that book. Have it copied, or photographed page by page. Did that with my Dad's WW2 flight log books. Thanks so much for sharing. Would like to hear more thoughts on it. Column in SCA? Hell, maybe Sail mag would want to do a write up on it/you. "2013 Best old Goat". Keep on keepin' on man. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:00 PM, jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>wrote: > This morning, while clearing out some space in my shop for the upcoming > Sage 15 I found a dusty box with some old paperwork, including a notebook > entitled “history of changes”. Some of this might be interesting to some > of you. If not, you have a delete button. I’m leaving out quite a bit > because I know that nobody cares! > > > > M-17- # of boats made: > > > > 1973 7 boats > > 1974 44 boats > > 75 32 boats incl 2 flushdecks > > 76 44 boats incl 2 flushdecks > > 77 43 boats incl 4 flushdecks > > 78 19 boats incl 1 flushdeck > > 79 and 80- 42 boats > > 81 19 boats > > 82 20 boats > > 83 20 boats, slowly dropping after that. > > > > (Note the big drop in 75 and 78- these were the two oil crises! Note that > production was reduced from one per week to one boat per two weeks; several > of these years we shut down between Thanksgiving to New Year’s due to lack > of business. Interesting times. (‘m astounded that we first started the > 17 tooling in early Spring and shipped the first boat in October. > Impossible! 7 months! > That’s what happens when you have lots of good help working on tooling 40 > hours a week, which was easy to come by in Costa Mesa in those days. The > big companies were laying off people). > > > > > > M-15: Started tooling in June 81, two of us made the plugs working nites > and weekends, guys in the mold shop did most of the finishing and > mold-making. We finished the first boat Oct of the same year. Again, > amazing what lots of help can do. 5 months! > > > > 1980 11 boats > > 81 78 boats > > 82 41 boats > > 83 34 boats > > 84 38 boats > > 85 32 boats, slowly dropping after that. > > > > Intereasting to note that the high point in national production was in 74, > just before the first gas crunch. The high in numbers of non-aux sailboats > was 121K boats if my memory is correct, and by the mid 80’s it was below > 10K. Few of us were smart enough to figure out what was happening for > years! (damn- looks like we’re having another bad year. Maybe next year). > In the meantime builders were dropping like flies. > > > > In Oct 83 I changed the port seat locker to like the 17; cut out the box > for access into a bilge locker. Way better, but cost more to build. > Decided to do that after my first crossing of the Gulf in a 15- because it > became very obvious that the extra storage was worth its weight in gold. > > Summer 85; # 335, Added 50 lbs of trim ballast forward, making total of > 75, then changed 50 of that to a steel plate to make more room for those > who wanted to install an elect pkg. > > > > The notebook had sat in various boxes in various places for almost 30 > years and is quite tattered and some of the info was indecipherable, but it > beats my memory! It’s been quite a trip. > > > > > jerry > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 7529 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen >

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Fw: THE COLUMBIA RIVER IN OREGON USA.
by jerry montgomery 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

This doesn't have much to do with sailing, but I enjoyed it! It must be in the pacific at the mouth of the Columbia. Incredibly long lense on the camera. jerry Subj: Fw: THE COLUMBIA RIVER BAR IN OREGON USA. WANT TO GO FISHING? SEASICK ANYONE? . http://www.youtube.com/embed/ByGSMmenPDM?rel=0 -- </ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text inserted by Panda IS 2012: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: It is spam! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 7529 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

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Re: M_Boats: Alternative battery location on M17?
by bownez＠juno.com 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

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THANKS - to all who have helped!
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

I sail in a race - (FUN) we set-up a little form/web page (EASY) I send out one or two emails (okay - maybe 4 EASY) and the good people on this list and another two go HEAD AND SHOULDERS above my efforts to contribute/support/help the Cause.(HEAVY LIFTING and OPEN HEARTS) Those of you who helped - My sincerest thanks to you - you are good sharing people, the kind we like to be friends with. I am glad I know and have friends like you. Thanks again. Gary H.Oberbeck (the web page sent me notice in the past when a donation was made - I was able to personally thank each supporter - appears they don't do that this year - hence the blast mail - Thanks!) Peace and Love

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