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Thanksgiving
by Conbert Benneck 26 Nov '16

26 Nov '16

Hi gang, In Connecticut I have observed wild turkeys flying from one field to another. They have big powerful wings. The thought just struck me; with Thanksgiving today, maybe you should make certain to keep all the turkey feathers you can get from your turkey and those of your neighbor's. When all the Black Friday hoorah is over, and the dark winter days are here, then you might consider stitching your saved turkey feathers together to make a wonderful, very light weight and effective feather spinnaker for your M15 for the coming sailing season, instead of watching the TV and football. Just think, you'll be the envy of your fellow sailors for the original idea, and for its effectiveness when sailing in whisper breezes.... So, save the turkey feathers, recycle them and put them to good use, and have a great Thanksgiving. Connie

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thanksgiving
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 24 Nov '16

24 Nov '16

Hi Connie, Thanx much for being a consistent and reliable source of information, and thanx for sharing your experiences. As I get older, it's enjoyable to share your memory with my own. Be well. salngail

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Re: M_Boats: Thanksgiving
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 24 Nov '16

24 Nov '16

chbenneck(a)gmail.com writes: When all the Black Friday hoorah is over, and the dark winter days are here, Connie and list members, A Happy Thanksgiving to you, your family friends and crew, The Sailing season is anything but 'dark' here in the desert southwest. We start a series of three regattas here a little over a week from today - The Governors Cup. That event is followed by the -(you guessed it) - Arizona Yacht Club Birthday Regatta/Leukemia Cup also known as the WrinkleBoat Intergalactic Championship Regatta and Ran-Tan for 2017 February 15-17 (note date change - still on a holiday weekend) Not cold and certainly not dark, thankfully for those of us who sail in the desert. If the winter time is getting to your mental health, taxes, election, general malaise got you down and you need a fix of Sailing? Check out the new web site at: _www.wrinkleboat.wordpress.com_ (http://www.wrinkleboat.wordpress.com) Do you think we have the 'blues' on those weekends?? Peace - Save our Water, gary O. PS - There is a half fast 1/2 yellow 1/2 white M-17 available to sail if you can't make it out from some snowy distant location or are a youthful person aspiring to race or... Boat w/crew and provisions avail - priority to youth sailor(s) and then skippers distance from event. PM me if you want to play sailor rockstar and just show up - walk onboard and have it all ready to go!!. (only hitch is - I crew !?!)

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Re: M_Boats: Standing rigging stowage while trailering.
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 18 Nov '16

18 Nov '16

Excellent idea - Please - make sure the halyard/downhaul and block/shackle are up to the task as it sux to 'drop the stick' and someone could get hurt. I don't yet use a downhaul regularly, but do use the halyard(s) as I have two headsail halyards - thanks for sharing. GO (concerned about that safety stuff....) In a message dated 11/18/2016 10:04:49 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, drifkind(a)acm.org writes: As an aside, I found an quick and (my favorite part) no-hardware way around the ticklish part of mast raising. Before the mast goes up, bend the jib downhaul to the working end of the jib halyard, where you’re going to need it later anyway. Run it through its bow block then straight back over the cabin top to the jib halyard winch and cleat. Once the mast is up (by the Iwo Jima method) pull it tight and cleat it off. The downhaul and halyard act as a temporary forestay, will hold the mast up even in wind, and provide enough tension if you haul on them to make attaching the forestay easy. Works in reverse when lowering the mast.

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Standing rigging stowage while trailering.
by Josh ua 18 Nov '16

18 Nov '16

On Honeybee (M15 hn 115) I gather all three together in an approximately 18 inch diameter coil and securely suspend the coil from the cradled mast near their attachment points using caution to avoid kinks and chafe. Just curious to hear how you do it.

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Re: M_Boats: Water through centerboard hole
by Jazzy 18 Nov '16

18 Nov '16

Oooh, looking at the pics, mine has been "altered". The corner of the trunk is roughly cut out and the line exits there. It doesn't have the clean, neat plastic sleeve. It's just a biggish hole. Also my winch is to the right of the cleat, so the line has to go over the cleat and then down through the hole. The water doesn't drain anywhere, just sits on the sole and tries to rot the wood at the base of the v berth. So I towel it out. Jazz On Jun 15, 2016 4:42 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: FYI folks ... Jazz has an older M17 with a cast iron board and the centerboard pennant comes out of the trunk inside the cabin. picture linked below shows the setup. http://m17-375.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=35000941 -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:54 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Do you guys get water splashing inside from the centerboard hole? I get > it > > sailing and when raising it. What are your solutions? > > > > Also, got some help (on account of my pissed off back) and El Nino is > > looking smart and capable in his new home! > > > > Jazz >

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Standing rigging stowage while trailering
by David Grah 18 Nov '16

18 Nov '16

On my Montgomery 15 I leave the shrouds attached and connect the bottom of the forestay to the bottom of the starboard shroud. Then, with the mast down and on its crutches, I pull the middle portion of the cables forward and pull them with a loop of line forward toward the bottom of the mast. Doing this is fast and keeps them clear of rubbing on anything. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 11:04:37 -0800 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Standing rigging stowage while trailering. Message-ID: <7bf469fc-a948-2d76-fed3-59d8caa9383c(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On my M17, the mast is raised and lowered forward, not aft. It came set up that way, and I like it for various reasons. One is that the head of the mast is at the front of the boat. So after the mast comes down and is slid back onto the crutch at the rear, I just collect the stays & shrouds starting at the mast head up at the bow, and working down the mast/aft on the boat. I bungee them along the mast as I go along. The shrouds & forestay I keep bundling to the mast towards the bottom/stern, until the remaining slack forms a large/soft "U," just a bit aft of the companionway. The backstay (which you haven't got on an M15) I just run all the way to the bottom/aft, bundling it to the mast along with the halyards & topping lift. cheers, John S.

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Re: M_Boats: Standing rigging stowage while trailering & mast raising, lowering
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 17 Nov '16

17 Nov '16

A Ranger 20 is a great boat IMO - I have had two (one for rental fleet) my personal one was built by Intermountain Design and was some of the highest quality laminating I have seen on a boat for it's era. I believe the deck mold was a seven part piece as the cockpit seats (among other areas) were undercut to allow for a large seat platform and a larger cockpit sole. The early boats had Kenyon spar sets with EXCELLENT hard black anodizing Hood narrow panel sails (way cool in the day" full teflon boltrope and highest quality deck hardware. Great sailing boats esp. in a moderate to very heavy breeze. PLUS full floatation and standing headroom under the cabin dodger !! If you are looking for a larger boat than a 17 - check them out. The ONLY thing I didn't like was the clipper-type bow - otherwise an 22 on a scale of 10! Stored mine mast-up on the hard - yes - the mast stepping is less than easy due to huge 'companionway'. Enuf of my rant on a non WrinkleBoat. PS very hard to sail to rating in light air but fine above that - + built like a tank (not overweight but STRONG+) GO In a message dated 11/17/2016 4:50:02 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: You're welcome...kids, do try this at home, first... :-) It works on the M17 because the shrouds attach almost beside the mast. If they attached further aft - as they do on some boats - they would have to be detached, or loosened some at least, or the mast would pull them tight before getting fully vertical and couldn't go any further up. On the M15 I think the shrouds attach a bit further aft of the mast...? Looks like it from the line drawing, and from what I remember of being on Larry's boat recently, and Daniel's long ago. So this may not work on an M15, unless you put a lever-lock or some kind of appropriate quick-adjust on the shroud to leave enough slack to get all the way up. You wouldn't want to just detach them, because they're what keeps the mast from just tipping over sideways as you get it up... A friend and I tried raising from bow on a Ranger 20 he used to own - one set of the shrouds had been moved to a further aft mounting point (a not uncommon Ranger 20 mod apparently) and so it just couldn't go up from bow (unless we undid the one set of shrouds, which was more trouble than worth). cheers, John S. On 11/17/2016 03:26 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > thanks for the details, John. I will consider converting to that. Getting > rid of the gin pole and its attendant lines would be fine with me. > Tom B > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 4:36 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > >> My split backstay wires come together at a stainless steel ring. The >> single backstay goes from ring to masthead, and it's the single backstay >> that I connect/disconnect, at the ring. >> >> So it's only the single backstay that I bundle to the mast. The split >> part, connected at the ring, stays attached to the stern. >> >> My backstay connection setup may be different than some...the standing >> rigging was supposedly inspected and refurbished some years ago at a yard >> in Seattle, by the previous owners, it may have gotten changed the...what >> is OEM split backstay hardware/setup for a 1974 M17? :-) >> >> Raising/lowering mast I can just do solo, no A-frame or gin pole or >> anything needed. I run a safety/belay line from end of (single part of) >> backstay through a U-turn on the mast crutch and forward to the bow. The >> mast is just light enough that while standing at the bow I can bring it up >> with a lift to my shoulder, then the line starts to be effective; but >> mostly I just push it up from the first lift to my shoulder and then it's >> more than halfway up and real easy from there on. The line is really just >> for safety, going up - I keep the slack out of it, basically. Once mast is >> up the line secures it there for the minute it takes me to connect the >> backstay. >> Coming down, same setup, but the line actually takes the weight at first >> as the mast starts down and I move up to the bow. Then it's down far enough >> where I switch the support from safety line to me, and again it's just >> light enough that I can lower it the rest of the way OK. >> >> Being up on the bow, one is lifting starting from higher up, and can reach >> higher all the way along, both raising and lowering. >> Also, the few steps from bow to mast step (or vice versa) are fewer and >> much easier to negotiate (especially when walking mast up or down!) than >> from stern to mast step. >> It probably also helps some that I'm 6' 3" tall. I can reach to support >> the mast at a higher angle, so the downward weight is less, and then take >> it down slowly and my reach becomes less and less as the weight I have to >> support increases. >> But still, the leverage and height at the bow and the ease of moving >> towards or away from the step on the foredeck, compared to from cockpit, is >> a big advantage in any case. >> >> Another plus with raising from bow, when rigging in your typical launch >> ramp lot, is that the mast sticks out over the tow vehicle, rather than out >> into what is usually a vehicle lane through the lot. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> On 11/17/2016 12:43 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >> >>> Interesting. How do you handle the split backstay while doing that? Can >>> you >>> use a gin pole to assist you in lowering the mast? I built up my boom >>> crutch with a nice big trailer roller on it so once I drop it onto that I >>> can just roooolll it forward so the step rests on the bow pulpit. Then I >>> just gather up the shrouds, etc. with the bungee cord treatement. >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 1:04 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On my M17, the mast is raised and lowered forward, not aft. It came set up >>>> that way, and I like it for various reasons. >>>> One is that the head of the mast is at the front of the boat. >>>> So after the mast comes down and is slid back onto the crutch at the >>>> rear, >>>> I just collect the stays & shrouds starting at the mast head up at the >>>> bow, >>>> and working down the mast/aft on the boat. I bungee them along the mast >>>> as >>>> I go along. The shrouds & forestay I keep bundling to the mast towards >>>> the >>>> bottom/stern, until the remaining slack forms a large/soft "U," just a >>>> bit >>>> aft of the companionway. The backstay (which you haven't got on an M15) >>>> I >>>> just run all the way to the bottom/aft, bundling it to the mast along >>>> with >>>> the halyards & topping lift. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> John S. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/16/2016 08:31 PM, Josh ua wrote: >>>> >>>> On Honeybee (M15 hn 115) I gather all three together in an approximately >>>>> 18 >>>>> inch diameter coil and securely suspend the coil from the cradled mast >>>>> near >>>>> their attachment points using caution to avoid kinks and chafe. Just >>>>> curious to hear how you do it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> - Eco-Living - >>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>> http://eco-living.net >>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: M_Boats: Sheet to tiller steering
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 17 Nov '16

17 Nov '16

always has to be accurate --- I will get to measuring the suckers ASAP! In a message dated 11/16/2016 11:11:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: A peck is .268 of a bushel, un less the peppers are pickled, in which case a peck of pickled peppers is .273 of a bushel. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Buzzi Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:12 PM To: GILASAILR(a)aol.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sheet to tiller steering I think a peck is some fraction of a bushel. Peppers are.... well.......peppers. On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:05 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > What is the meaning of life? - why did the paint 'crater on my truck? > > What is a peck of peppers? > > I ask in earnest brother.... > > GO > > they iz 'watching' you - get out the Reynolds Wrap > > > > > In a message dated 11/16/2016 6:21:51 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > stanpfa(a)pacbell.net writes: > > If there's questions ask away.Borrego, Paintboy, and a dozen other > aliases to keep the NSA guessing > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 17737 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

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Re: M_Boats: Sheet to tiller steering
by bownez＠juno.com 17 Nov '16

17 Nov '16

Dear Connie, I'm sure you are familiar with the adage : "tyranny of the tiller"" used to describe the long hours required at the helm to cover distances. Since all of my sailing has been on large lakes, self steering has never really been a priority. My M23 has a Navik windvane, which works like magic, but I have never really used it for a long voyage (yet). It is fascinating to watch it in action. I'm downsizing back to my M17, which has prompted all these questions about sheet to tiller steering. As always, thank you for your knowledgeable input. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $14.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216

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