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Re: M_Boats: Salus and other PFD stuff
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02 Feb '16

Salus looks VERY nice - (I like handwarmers!) Currently wear this - http://www.spinlock-deckvest.com/spinlock-5d-pro-sensor.html - got it on a smoking sale - very comfortable but not perfect. Crotch straps are VERY important ! ! - you may see your PFD flying to the surface if you don't WEAR them! Remember - 'It's hip to wear your PFD - ALL the time' - docks included (as me how I know the docks part) Take Care Have Fun - Be Safe, Go Sail! GO In a message dated 2/1/2016 1:41:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: It's a Canadian product and appears to comply with all relevant Canadian standards for such an item...that's the info on the sizing chart anyhow. Can't readily find anything else re certifications and compliance. And, the USA-only, USCG Type I-V classifications are now technically historical, although still being used until the USCG and cooperating entities figure out what the new official approach to providing similar information is. Article about the changes from American Canoe Association (national paddlesports organization): http://www.americancanoe.org/?page=PFD_Types Federal register official information: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2014/09/22/2014-22373/personal-flot ation-devices-labeling-and-standards cheers, John S. On 02/01/2016 11:13 AM, Antonio Martinez wrote: > I struggled with same PDF issues and finally found the Salus Coastal. > Doesn't meet USA CG standards, but seems like a good good compromise. > > > http://www.salusmarine.com/?products=coastal > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 2:00 PM, < > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Jazzy) >> 2. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Mark Dvorscak) >> 3. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (John Schinnerer) >> 4. Re: Nostalgia (bownez(a)juno.com) >> 5. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Thomas Buzzi) >> 6. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Thomas Buzzi) >> 7. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Thomas Buzzi) >> 8. Browsing old Messages... (Jazzy) >> 9. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (John Schinnerer) >> 10. Re: Nostalgia (Thornton Wilkinson) >> 11. Re: Browsing old Messages... (Keith) >> 12. Re: Nostalgia (Keith) >> 13. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Dave Scobie) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:01:47 -0800 >> From: Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... >> Message-ID: >> < >> CAHJ-33Ekm4t+HVHtxgKCy5Laqu5Rjp2ABk5FB-rRMkcvyoVoxQ(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. Believe >> it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not auto. >> So if you know of something link me! >> Jazz >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 22:29:49 -0500 >> From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... >> Message-ID: <5daifha9akoebmlvm76qnbuq.1454297389845(a)email.android.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> The only pfds that I have seen with a harness integrated that are not >> inflatables are designed for kayak and paddle sports. I don't know that the >> harness feature is up to the standard for an offshore vest. I don't think I >> would choose any that I've seen for offshore work, but that type of sailing >> isn't necessarily your plan either. I also haven't found any manufacturer or >> retailer that recommends the kayak designs for sailing. My recommendation >> is that you try on as many vests as possible, check out the manufacturer >> recommendations regarding appropriate use and make your own decision about >> what is right for you. You certainly don't want to take the advice that is >> no more than a personal opinion of someone on an internet discuss forum and >> run with it. Including what I've said! >> Mark >> >> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? smartphone >> >> Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. >> Believe >>> it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not auto. >>> So if you know of something link me! >>> Jazz >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:40:20 -0800 >> From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... >> Message-ID: <56AEEFC4.40500(a)eco-living.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> From someone very familiar with paddlesport PFDs...aside from those >> with tow belts, what I've seen is mostly a difference in colors, styles, >> and marketing. >> >> PFDs from makers that sell for both sailing and paddlesports offer (at >> upper quality levels at least, $99 or so and up) same or very similar >> items, maybe some different design details such as placement of pockets, >> zippers, and/or lash-tabs. In some cases the cut is a bit different, >> nothing major. >> >> Paddling, especially whitewater or ocean surfing, generally requires at >> least as much (more in my experience) mobility (and more constantly) in >> arms and torso and head as sailing. I've never found my higher end >> paddling PFDs to be less than great for sailing, from dinghies on up. >> >> One difference is that some kayaking PFDs have high-cut backs (no foam >> low part of the back), in order to clear seatback and/or cockpit rim in >> a high-seatback or deep-cockpit kayak. I can't think of any reason this >> would be a disadvantage for sailing, except for maybe when lounging back >> against the cockpit coaming... :-) >> >> The "harness" design on a paddling PFD with harness is more of a belt, >> designed primarily for rescue towing another boat (or possibly person) >> in emergency situations. It is not a front-clip device, it is normally a >> front quick-release buckle with tow attachment ring in back. Plenty >> strong, but very different application. >> NOT appropriate as a sailing chest harness! >> >> Sailing and climbing/caving chest harnesses are essentially the same >> functional design, and similar materials and strength ratings, with >> center front attachment point. Some caving/climbing models will have >> non-stainless or non-aluminum hardware; not good if you're at all in >> saltwater. >> >> Yep, just my opinion and/or experience of course. >> >> Here's an interesting post on practical-sailor from a few years back, >> about manual vs. auto inflate units and issues around tether releasing. >> Some interesting comments below it as well: >> http://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/-10560-1.html >> >> Whoever posted that they couldn't find a non-inflatable PFD with sailing >> type safety harness appears to be right...I can't find one either, not >> yet anyhow. >> >> One of the comments on link above mentions buying one made by Force 10 >> years before, and also can't find one now (and that was posted in July >> 2011). Unfortunate that manufacturers aren't providing that option...or >> maybe just not in the USA? >> >> With USCG dropping the current/old USA PFD type rating system last year, >> it sounds like by 2017 or so we may have some additional options for PFD >> designs. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> >> On 01/31/2016 07:29 PM, Mark Dvorscak wrote: >>> The only pfds that I have seen with a harness integrated that are not >>> inflatables are designed for kayak and paddle sports. I don't know >>> that the harness feature is up to the standard for an offshore vest. >>> I don't think I would choose any that I've seen for offshore work, >>> but that type of sailing isn't necessarily your plan either. I also >>> haven't found any manufacturer or retailer that recommends the kayak >>> designs for sailing. My recommendation is that you try on as many >>> vests as possible, check out the manufacturer recommendations >>> regarding appropriate use and make your own decision about what is >>> right for you. You certainly don't want to take the advice that is no >>> more than a personal opinion of someone on an internet discuss forum >>> and run with it. Including what I've said! Mark >>> >>> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? smartphone >>> >>> Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. >>>> Believe it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness >>>> that's not auto. So if you know of something link me! Jazz >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 14:38:23 GMT >> From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia >> Message-ID: <20160201.083823.31452.0(a)webmail03.vgs.untd.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Hi Keith, >> >> I go back to the paper newsletter days. >> I bought my 1976 M17 in 1996 after looking for one for 2 years. >> >> Mr. Bones >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Get up to a $500 bonus >> with a qualifying deposit to an Ally IRA from outside Ally Bank >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56af6e11b5c26e100ccbst01vuc >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 08:58:02 -0600 >> From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... >> Message-ID: >> < >> CA+TbpAXJMR6s6FMDQgpACtKB0j5i+S9Jb2n91nKfBUxk19h98Q(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Jazz, >> Just upgraded my own safety gear yesterday. Found some decent stuff at >> competitive prices (believe it or not) at West Marine.com. Also some really >> nice (read comfortable) 16.5 lb flotation vests at NRS.com pfd's. >> I went with kayak style vests PFD type 3 CG approved because they are much >> more comfortable and less confining than the boxy standard bright orange >> things. NRS also has theirs lined with a netting that is supposed to allow >> air to flow beneath them, very important down here in the deep south. The >> combination(built in) jacket/safety belt items cost more than I wanted to >> spend. If you don't have one already I recommend visiting a West Marine >> store and picking up one of their telephone book sized catalogs. They are a >> wealth of information and they handle enough different brand names of items >> to be able to go to that company's website and comparison shop. Also on the >> web you will get other companies that deal with the same item. You can >> spend a whole day (I almost did) just shopping the web for what you want. >> Never heard of NRS before yesterday but they have some very impressive >> equipment, for example. >> Happy shopping. >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… >>> >> This >> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. >> www.avast.com >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… >>> >> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. >> Believe >>> it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not >> auto. >>> So if you know of something link me! >>> Jazz >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 09:01:03 -0600 >> From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... >> Message-ID: >> < >> CA+TbpAX3fyERj6gO41vPaf8J+emUPW3o9ueQC2q78znjfBOnDw(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Mark, >> Good advice! I went with NRS for my vests and they are Coast Guard approved >> Type III's recommended for both paddle sports and sailing. The best vest is >> the one that covers the minimum bases of your needs AND is comfortable >> enough to wear. >> >> Tom B >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… >>> >> This >> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. >> www.avast.com >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… >>> >> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The only pfds that I have seen with a harness integrated that are not >>> inflatables are designed for kayak and paddle sports. I don't know that >> the >>> harness feature is up to the standard for an offshore vest. I don't >> think I >>> would choose any that I've seen for offshore work, but that type of >> sailing >>> isn't necessarily your plan either. I also haven't found any >> manufacturer or >>> retailer that recommends the kayak designs for sailing. My >> recommendation >>> is that you try on as many vests as possible, check out the manufacturer >>> recommendations regarding appropriate use and make your own decision >> about >>> what is right for you. You certainly don't want to take the advice that >> is >>> no more than a personal opinion of someone on an internet discuss forum >> and >>> run with it. Including what I've said! >>> Mark >>> >>> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? smartphone >>> >>> Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. >>> Believe >>>> it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not >> auto. >>>> So if you know of something link me! >>>> Jazz >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 09:08:53 -0600 >> From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... >> Message-ID: >> <CA+TbpAWumH55MB+fo+3= >> 19gxrLjVPHo48mTGB-yXGk-Q9p8MoA(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> John, >> I read your article and went from the auto inflate vest to regular kayak >> vests. I do like the auto inflate feature in case you are knocked >> unconscious while going overboard (or hitting your head on a piece of trash >> while doing an eskimo roll) but the mechanism MUST be kept maintained. I >> have gone to well ventilated Type III kayak vests CG, because they are much >> less confining for deck work. I have also purchased the standard >> SOSuspender harness to put over the vest and double release tether lines to >> tie me to the boat. By the time I get everything I need aboard for safe >> sailing I might need a bigger boat ;-} >> Tom B >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… >>> >> This >> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. >> www.avast.com >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… >>> >> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:40 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >> wrote: >> >>> From someone very familiar with paddlesport PFDs...aside from those with >>> tow belts, what I've seen is mostly a difference in colors, styles, and >>> marketing. >>> >>> PFDs from makers that sell for both sailing and paddlesports offer (at >>> upper quality levels at least, $99 or so and up) same or very similar >>> items, maybe some different design details such as placement of pockets, >>> zippers, and/or lash-tabs. In some cases the cut is a bit different, >>> nothing major. >>> >>> Paddling, especially whitewater or ocean surfing, generally requires at >>> least as much (more in my experience) mobility (and more constantly) in >>> arms and torso and head as sailing. I've never found my higher end >>> paddling PFDs to be less than great for sailing, from dinghies on up. >>> >>> One difference is that some kayaking PFDs have high-cut backs (no foam >>> low part of the back), in order to clear seatback and/or cockpit rim in >>> a high-seatback or deep-cockpit kayak. I can't think of any reason this >>> would be a disadvantage for sailing, except for maybe when lounging back >>> against the cockpit coaming... :-) >>> >>> The "harness" design on a paddling PFD with harness is more of a belt, >>> designed primarily for rescue towing another boat (or possibly person) in >>> emergency situations. It is not a front-clip device, it is normally a >> front >>> quick-release buckle with tow attachment ring in back. Plenty strong, but >>> very different application. >>> NOT appropriate as a sailing chest harness! >>> >>> Sailing and climbing/caving chest harnesses are essentially the same >>> functional design, and similar materials and strength ratings, with >> center >>> front attachment point. Some caving/climbing models will have >> non-stainless >>> or non-aluminum hardware; not good if you're at all in saltwater. >>> >>> Yep, just my opinion and/or experience of course. >>> >>> Here's an interesting post on practical-sailor from a few years back, >>> about manual vs. auto inflate units and issues around tether releasing. >>> Some interesting comments below it as well: >>> http://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/-10560-1.html >>> >>> Whoever posted that they couldn't find a non-inflatable PFD with sailing >>> type safety harness appears to be right...I can't find one either, not >> yet >>> anyhow. >>> >>> One of the comments on link above mentions buying one made by Force 10 >>> years before, and also can't find one now (and that was posted in July >>> 2011). Unfortunate that manufacturers aren't providing that option...or >>> maybe just not in the USA? >>> >>> With USCG dropping the current/old USA PFD type rating system last year, >>> it sounds like by 2017 or so we may have some additional options for PFD >>> designs. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John S. >>> >>> >>> On 01/31/2016 07:29 PM, Mark Dvorscak wrote: >>> >>>> The only pfds that I have seen with a harness integrated that are not >>>> inflatables are designed for kayak and paddle sports. I don't know >>>> that the harness feature is up to the standard for an offshore vest. >>>> I don't think I would choose any that I've seen for offshore work, >>>> but that type of sailing isn't necessarily your plan either. I also >>>> haven't found any manufacturer or retailer that recommends the kayak >>>> designs for sailing. My recommendation is that you try on as many >>>> vests as possible, check out the manufacturer recommendations >>>> regarding appropriate use and make your own decision about what is >>>> right for you. You certainly don't want to take the advice that is no >>>> more than a personal opinion of someone on an internet discuss forum >>>> and run with it. Including what I've said! Mark >>>> >>>> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? smartphone >>>> >>>> Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. >>>>> Believe it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness >>>>> that's not auto. So if you know of something link me! Jazz >>>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 09:17:20 -0800 >> From: Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Browsing old Messages... >> Message-ID: >> <CAHJ-33FiXsJuY3LBoVikf6d5+K9epMX= >> RcyUM5XO2WFhrv3nTg(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Can someone tell me how to browse old stuff? Thanks... >> >> Jazz >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 09:27:27 -0800 >> From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... >> Message-ID: <56AF957F.1080300(a)eco-living.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> NRS has good stuff generally. A long standing paddlesports supplier >> (rafting, kayaking, canoeing, now SUP also). Their "house brand" (NRS >> brand) sometimes provides similar quality to better known name brands at >> a slightly lower price. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> On 02/01/2016 06:58 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>> Jazz, >>> Just upgraded my own safety gear yesterday. Found some decent stuff at >>> competitive prices (believe it or not) at West Marine.com. Also some >> really >>> nice (read comfortable) 16.5 lb flotation vests at NRS.com pfd's. >>> I went with kayak style vests PFD type 3 CG approved because they are >> much >>> more comfortable and less confining than the boxy standard bright orange >>> things. NRS also has theirs lined with a netting that is supposed to >> allow >>> air to flow beneath them, very important down here in the deep south. The >>> combination(built in) jacket/safety belt items cost more than I wanted to >>> spend. If you don't have one already I recommend visiting a West Marine >>> store and picking up one of their telephone book sized catalogs. They >> are a >>> wealth of information and they handle enough different brand names of >> items >>> to be able to go to that company's website and comparison shop. Also on >> the >>> web you will get other companies that deal with the same item. You can >>> spend a whole day (I almost did) just shopping the web for what you want. >>> Never heard of NRS before yesterday but they have some very impressive >>> equipment, for example. >>> Happy shopping. >>> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… >>> >>> This >>> email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. >>> www.avast.com >>> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… >>> >>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. >> Believe >>>> it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not >> auto. >>>> So if you know of something link me! >>>> Jazz >>>> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:28:10 -0700 >> From: Thornton Wilkinson <ttwilki(a)mindspring.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia >> Message-ID: <50CF3AD6-4F8C-44C8-B672-7E21856252F3(a)mindspring.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> How do I find out how long I've been subscribed? It seems like forever. >> Tom >> M17 Obsessus >> >> >> On Feb 1, 2016, at 7:38 AM, bownez(a)juno.com wrote: >> >>> Hi Keith, >>> >>> I go back to the paper newsletter days. >>> I bought my 1976 M17 in 1996 after looking for one for 2 years. >>> >>> Mr. Bones >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Get up to a $500 bonus >>> with a qualifying deposit to an Ally IRA from outside Ally Bank >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56af6e11b5c26e100ccbst01vuc >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:42:30 -0700 >> From: Keith <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Browsing old Messages... >> Message-ID: <oybjdh8qrn2afv46ginwfkof.1454348550691(a)email.android.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Browse to? >> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Read down and you'll find a link to the Mailman archives and an ftp link >> (should open OK in a Web browser) to the the old majordomo archives from >> last century. ?:) >> >> Sent from my SmartPhone, >> thus explaining the typos >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> >> Date:02/01/2016 10:17 AM (GMT-07:00) >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Browsing old Messages... >> >> Can someone tell me how to browse old stuff?? Thanks... >> >> Jazz >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:45:34 -0700 >> From: Keith <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia >> Message-ID: <j1xkunkj5ke4150tupah1sm6.1454348644781(a)email.android.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> If you can't remember, then it's been a long time. :)? >> >> Sadly, there's no subscription history, all you could do is look through >> the archives for your early postings.? >> >> Sent from my SmartPhone, >> thus explaining the typos >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Thornton Wilkinson >> Date:02/01/2016 10:28 AM (GMT-07:00) >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia >> >> How do I find out how long I've been subscribed?? It seems like forever. >> Tom >> M17 Obsessus >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 11:59:01 -0700 >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... >> Message-ID: >> < >> CAGjBOA4SgiGoyXe6R71PW9LWcSaAncNKU2VDHSuQDRPuMVOFCg(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> haven't seen much more discussion about flares ... carry them! smoke for >> daytime and bright for night (some will do both). there is a new electric >> flare (not smoke) available which means you don't need to buy new flares >> every few years. >> >> https://siriussignal.com/ >> >> >> for pyrotechnic flares ALWAYS look at the expiration ESPECIALLY when seeing >> them on sale. i've found flares for sale that expire in just months or >> already expired. i always dig through the stock and find the ones with the >> longest use time. >> >> for PDFs buy one you will wear ALL THE TIME and ALWAYS were when under way >> and when at the dock alone. me, i'm fine with the auto-inflate type. >> >> >> -- >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> montgomery_boats mailing list >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 156, Issue 1 >> ************************************************ >> > > > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Safety Equip on your boat...
by Jazzy 01 Feb '16

01 Feb '16

So as I'm dinking around with the electrics I can't help but think about going sailing! With this in mind, my first purchases after getting all the lighting going will be safety equipment. I live in Gig Harbor, WA. When the family is on board it will be super nice days and mild conditions. When I'm solo sailing (90% of the time), I can't even tell you the nasty stuff I've been in with my snipe and rain coat! So thats a different story. Glad to be alive. Anyway... so you see, I have two scenarios I sail under that I need to accommodate. Here's what is on my short list so far: Whistle (air horn can on board already) 2 Coastal Inflatable PFDs 1 Offshore Inflatable PFD with Harness (for me solo sailing, or when little guy is onboard- he's 13) 1 Tether 1 Emergency Blanket (onboard) 1 Handheld Radio (thinking ICOM) 2 Throwable Seat Cushions 1 Telescoping Paddle 1 Water Proof Chart of the local Area (onboard) 1 GPS Chartplotter/Sonar (onboard) Assortment of basic tools ( wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, 3m sealer)... tell if you have something besides! 1 8lb Dansforth (onboard) Undecided about what to do about Visual Distress Signals. There are some expired flares and such on board, but that won't help with the coast guard. So I need something Next week west marine is handing back $50 bucks if you spend $300 and it just so happens to be my birthday then, so I shall reap marine presents! AND Seattle Boat Show same week! What do you all have/recommend? And if you have time...whats your potti situation? I have nothing in this area besides good balance. I apologize for my million questions, you all are very kind attending to my newbieness. -= Jazz

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 156, Issue 1
by Antonio Martinez 01 Feb '16

01 Feb '16

I struggled with same PDF issues and finally found the Salus Coastal. Doesn't meet USA CG standards, but seems like a good good compromise. http://www.salusmarine.com/?products=coastal On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 2:00 PM, < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Jazzy) > 2. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Mark Dvorscak) > 3. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (John Schinnerer) > 4. Re: Nostalgia (bownez(a)juno.com) > 5. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Thomas Buzzi) > 6. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Thomas Buzzi) > 7. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Thomas Buzzi) > 8. Browsing old Messages... (Jazzy) > 9. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (John Schinnerer) > 10. Re: Nostalgia (Thornton Wilkinson) > 11. Re: Browsing old Messages... (Keith) > 12. Re: Nostalgia (Keith) > 13. Re: Safety Equip on your boat... (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:01:47 -0800 > From: Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... > Message-ID: > < > CAHJ-33Ekm4t+HVHtxgKCy5Laqu5Rjp2ABk5FB-rRMkcvyoVoxQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. Believe > it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not auto. > So if you know of something link me! > Jazz > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 22:29:49 -0500 > From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... > Message-ID: <5daifha9akoebmlvm76qnbuq.1454297389845(a)email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > The only pfds that I have seen with a harness integrated that are not > inflatables are designed for kayak and paddle sports. I don't know that the > harness feature is up to the standard for an offshore vest. I don't think I > would choose any that I've seen for offshore work, but that type of sailing > isn't necessarily your plan either. I also haven't found any manufacturer or > retailer that recommends the kayak designs for sailing. My recommendation > is that you try on as many vests as possible, check out the manufacturer > recommendations regarding appropriate use and make your own decision about > what is right for you. You certainly don't want to take the advice that is > no more than a personal opinion of someone on an internet discuss forum and > run with it. Including what I've said! > Mark > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? smartphone > > Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. > Believe > >it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not auto. > >So if you know of something link me! > >Jazz > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:40:20 -0800 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... > Message-ID: <56AEEFC4.40500(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > From someone very familiar with paddlesport PFDs...aside from those > with tow belts, what I've seen is mostly a difference in colors, styles, > and marketing. > > PFDs from makers that sell for both sailing and paddlesports offer (at > upper quality levels at least, $99 or so and up) same or very similar > items, maybe some different design details such as placement of pockets, > zippers, and/or lash-tabs. In some cases the cut is a bit different, > nothing major. > > Paddling, especially whitewater or ocean surfing, generally requires at > least as much (more in my experience) mobility (and more constantly) in > arms and torso and head as sailing. I've never found my higher end > paddling PFDs to be less than great for sailing, from dinghies on up. > > One difference is that some kayaking PFDs have high-cut backs (no foam > low part of the back), in order to clear seatback and/or cockpit rim in > a high-seatback or deep-cockpit kayak. I can't think of any reason this > would be a disadvantage for sailing, except for maybe when lounging back > against the cockpit coaming... :-) > > The "harness" design on a paddling PFD with harness is more of a belt, > designed primarily for rescue towing another boat (or possibly person) > in emergency situations. It is not a front-clip device, it is normally a > front quick-release buckle with tow attachment ring in back. Plenty > strong, but very different application. > NOT appropriate as a sailing chest harness! > > Sailing and climbing/caving chest harnesses are essentially the same > functional design, and similar materials and strength ratings, with > center front attachment point. Some caving/climbing models will have > non-stainless or non-aluminum hardware; not good if you're at all in > saltwater. > > Yep, just my opinion and/or experience of course. > > Here's an interesting post on practical-sailor from a few years back, > about manual vs. auto inflate units and issues around tether releasing. > Some interesting comments below it as well: > http://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/-10560-1.html > > Whoever posted that they couldn't find a non-inflatable PFD with sailing > type safety harness appears to be right...I can't find one either, not > yet anyhow. > > One of the comments on link above mentions buying one made by Force 10 > years before, and also can't find one now (and that was posted in July > 2011). Unfortunate that manufacturers aren't providing that option...or > maybe just not in the USA? > > With USCG dropping the current/old USA PFD type rating system last year, > it sounds like by 2017 or so we may have some additional options for PFD > designs. > > cheers, > John S. > > > On 01/31/2016 07:29 PM, Mark Dvorscak wrote: > > The only pfds that I have seen with a harness integrated that are not > > inflatables are designed for kayak and paddle sports. I don't know > > that the harness feature is up to the standard for an offshore vest. > > I don't think I would choose any that I've seen for offshore work, > > but that type of sailing isn't necessarily your plan either. I also > > haven't found any manufacturer or retailer that recommends the kayak > > designs for sailing. My recommendation is that you try on as many > > vests as possible, check out the manufacturer recommendations > > regarding appropriate use and make your own decision about what is > > right for you. You certainly don't want to take the advice that is no > > more than a personal opinion of someone on an internet discuss forum > > and run with it. Including what I've said! Mark > > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? smartphone > > > > Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. > >> Believe it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness > >> that's not auto. So if you know of something link me! Jazz > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 14:38:23 GMT > From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia > Message-ID: <20160201.083823.31452.0(a)webmail03.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hi Keith, > > I go back to the paper newsletter days. > I bought my 1976 M17 in 1996 after looking for one for 2 years. > > Mr. Bones > ____________________________________________________________ > Get up to a $500 bonus > with a qualifying deposit to an Ally IRA from outside Ally Bank > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56af6e11b5c26e100ccbst01vuc > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 08:58:02 -0600 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... > Message-ID: > < > CA+TbpAXJMR6s6FMDQgpACtKB0j5i+S9Jb2n91nKfBUxk19h98Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Jazz, > Just upgraded my own safety gear yesterday. Found some decent stuff at > competitive prices (believe it or not) at West Marine.com. Also some really > nice (read comfortable) 16.5 lb flotation vests at NRS.com pfd's. > I went with kayak style vests PFD type 3 CG approved because they are much > more comfortable and less confining than the boxy standard bright orange > things. NRS also has theirs lined with a netting that is supposed to allow > air to flow beneath them, very important down here in the deep south. The > combination(built in) jacket/safety belt items cost more than I wanted to > spend. If you don't have one already I recommend visiting a West Marine > store and picking up one of their telephone book sized catalogs. They are a > wealth of information and they handle enough different brand names of items > to be able to go to that company's website and comparison shop. Also on the > web you will get other companies that deal with the same item. You can > spend a whole day (I almost did) just shopping the web for what you want. > Never heard of NRS before yesterday but they have some very impressive > equipment, for example. > Happy shopping. > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > This > email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. > Believe > > it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not > auto. > > So if you know of something link me! > > Jazz > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 09:01:03 -0600 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... > Message-ID: > < > CA+TbpAX3fyERj6gO41vPaf8J+emUPW3o9ueQC2q78znjfBOnDw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Mark, > Good advice! I went with NRS for my vests and they are Coast Guard approved > Type III's recommended for both paddle sports and sailing. The best vest is > the one that covers the minimum bases of your needs AND is comfortable > enough to wear. > > Tom B > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > This > email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > The only pfds that I have seen with a harness integrated that are not > > inflatables are designed for kayak and paddle sports. I don't know that > the > > harness feature is up to the standard for an offshore vest. I don't > think I > > would choose any that I've seen for offshore work, but that type of > sailing > > isn't necessarily your plan either. I also haven't found any > manufacturer or > > retailer that recommends the kayak designs for sailing. My > recommendation > > is that you try on as many vests as possible, check out the manufacturer > > recommendations regarding appropriate use and make your own decision > about > > what is right for you. You certainly don't want to take the advice that > is > > no more than a personal opinion of someone on an internet discuss forum > and > > run with it. Including what I've said! > > Mark > > > > Sent from my U.S. Cellular? smartphone > > > > Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. > > Believe > > >it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not > auto. > > >So if you know of something link me! > > >Jazz > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 09:08:53 -0600 > From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... > Message-ID: > <CA+TbpAWumH55MB+fo+3= > 19gxrLjVPHo48mTGB-yXGk-Q9p8MoA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > John, > I read your article and went from the auto inflate vest to regular kayak > vests. I do like the auto inflate feature in case you are knocked > unconscious while going overboard (or hitting your head on a piece of trash > while doing an eskimo roll) but the mechanism MUST be kept maintained. I > have gone to well ventilated Type III kayak vests CG, because they are much > less confining for deck work. I have also purchased the standard > SOSuspender harness to put over the vest and double release tether lines to > tie me to the boat. By the time I get everything I need aboard for safe > sailing I might need a bigger boat ;-} > Tom B > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > This > email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:40 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > > > From someone very familiar with paddlesport PFDs...aside from those with > > tow belts, what I've seen is mostly a difference in colors, styles, and > > marketing. > > > > PFDs from makers that sell for both sailing and paddlesports offer (at > > upper quality levels at least, $99 or so and up) same or very similar > > items, maybe some different design details such as placement of pockets, > > zippers, and/or lash-tabs. In some cases the cut is a bit different, > > nothing major. > > > > Paddling, especially whitewater or ocean surfing, generally requires at > > least as much (more in my experience) mobility (and more constantly) in > > arms and torso and head as sailing. I've never found my higher end > > paddling PFDs to be less than great for sailing, from dinghies on up. > > > > One difference is that some kayaking PFDs have high-cut backs (no foam > > low part of the back), in order to clear seatback and/or cockpit rim in > > a high-seatback or deep-cockpit kayak. I can't think of any reason this > > would be a disadvantage for sailing, except for maybe when lounging back > > against the cockpit coaming... :-) > > > > The "harness" design on a paddling PFD with harness is more of a belt, > > designed primarily for rescue towing another boat (or possibly person) in > > emergency situations. It is not a front-clip device, it is normally a > front > > quick-release buckle with tow attachment ring in back. Plenty strong, but > > very different application. > > NOT appropriate as a sailing chest harness! > > > > Sailing and climbing/caving chest harnesses are essentially the same > > functional design, and similar materials and strength ratings, with > center > > front attachment point. Some caving/climbing models will have > non-stainless > > or non-aluminum hardware; not good if you're at all in saltwater. > > > > Yep, just my opinion and/or experience of course. > > > > Here's an interesting post on practical-sailor from a few years back, > > about manual vs. auto inflate units and issues around tether releasing. > > Some interesting comments below it as well: > > http://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/-10560-1.html > > > > Whoever posted that they couldn't find a non-inflatable PFD with sailing > > type safety harness appears to be right...I can't find one either, not > yet > > anyhow. > > > > One of the comments on link above mentions buying one made by Force 10 > > years before, and also can't find one now (and that was posted in July > > 2011). Unfortunate that manufacturers aren't providing that option...or > > maybe just not in the USA? > > > > With USCG dropping the current/old USA PFD type rating system last year, > > it sounds like by 2017 or so we may have some additional options for PFD > > designs. > > > > cheers, > > John S. > > > > > > On 01/31/2016 07:29 PM, Mark Dvorscak wrote: > > > >> The only pfds that I have seen with a harness integrated that are not > >> inflatables are designed for kayak and paddle sports. I don't know > >> that the harness feature is up to the standard for an offshore vest. > >> I don't think I would choose any that I've seen for offshore work, > >> but that type of sailing isn't necessarily your plan either. I also > >> haven't found any manufacturer or retailer that recommends the kayak > >> designs for sailing. My recommendation is that you try on as many > >> vests as possible, check out the manufacturer recommendations > >> regarding appropriate use and make your own decision about what is > >> right for you. You certainly don't want to take the advice that is no > >> more than a personal opinion of someone on an internet discuss forum > >> and run with it. Including what I've said! Mark > >> > >> Sent from my U.S. Cellular? smartphone > >> > >> Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. > >>> Believe it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness > >>> that's not auto. So if you know of something link me! Jazz > >>> > >> > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 09:17:20 -0800 > From: Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Browsing old Messages... > Message-ID: > <CAHJ-33FiXsJuY3LBoVikf6d5+K9epMX= > RcyUM5XO2WFhrv3nTg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Can someone tell me how to browse old stuff? Thanks... > > Jazz > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 09:27:27 -0800 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... > Message-ID: <56AF957F.1080300(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > NRS has good stuff generally. A long standing paddlesports supplier > (rafting, kayaking, canoeing, now SUP also). Their "house brand" (NRS > brand) sometimes provides similar quality to better known name brands at > a slightly lower price. > > cheers, > John S. > > On 02/01/2016 06:58 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > > Jazz, > > Just upgraded my own safety gear yesterday. Found some decent stuff at > > competitive prices (believe it or not) at West Marine.com. Also some > really > > nice (read comfortable) 16.5 lb flotation vests at NRS.com pfd's. > > I went with kayak style vests PFD type 3 CG approved because they are > much > > more comfortable and less confining than the boxy standard bright orange > > things. NRS also has theirs lined with a netting that is supposed to > allow > > air to flow beneath them, very important down here in the deep south. The > > combination(built in) jacket/safety belt items cost more than I wanted to > > spend. If you don't have one already I recommend visiting a West Marine > > store and picking up one of their telephone book sized catalogs. They > are a > > wealth of information and they handle enough different brand names of > items > > to be able to go to that company's website and comparison shop. Also on > the > > web you will get other companies that deal with the same item. You can > > spend a whole day (I almost did) just shopping the web for what you want. > > Never heard of NRS before yesterday but they have some very impressive > > equipment, for example. > > Happy shopping. > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > > This > > email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > > www.avast.com > > < > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai… > > > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. > Believe > >> it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not > auto. > >> So if you know of something link me! > >> Jazz > >> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:28:10 -0700 > From: Thornton Wilkinson <ttwilki(a)mindspring.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia > Message-ID: <50CF3AD6-4F8C-44C8-B672-7E21856252F3(a)mindspring.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > How do I find out how long I've been subscribed? It seems like forever. > Tom > M17 Obsessus > > > On Feb 1, 2016, at 7:38 AM, bownez(a)juno.com wrote: > > > Hi Keith, > > > > I go back to the paper newsletter days. > > I bought my 1976 M17 in 1996 after looking for one for 2 years. > > > > Mr. Bones > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get up to a $500 bonus > > with a qualifying deposit to an Ally IRA from outside Ally Bank > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56af6e11b5c26e100ccbst01vuc > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:42:30 -0700 > From: Keith <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Browsing old Messages... > Message-ID: <oybjdh8qrn2afv46ginwfkof.1454348550691(a)email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Browse to? > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Read down and you'll find a link to the Mailman archives and an ftp link > (should open OK in a Web browser) to the the old majordomo archives from > last century. ?:) > > Sent from my SmartPhone, > thus explaining the typos > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> > Date:02/01/2016 10:17 AM (GMT-07:00) > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Browsing old Messages... > > Can someone tell me how to browse old stuff?? Thanks... > > Jazz > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 10:45:34 -0700 > From: Keith <kdiehl(a)xmission.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia > Message-ID: <j1xkunkj5ke4150tupah1sm6.1454348644781(a)email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > If you can't remember, then it's been a long time. :)? > > Sadly, there's no subscription history, all you could do is look through > the archives for your early postings.? > > Sent from my SmartPhone, > thus explaining the typos > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Thornton Wilkinson > Date:02/01/2016 10:28 AM (GMT-07:00) > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia > > How do I find out how long I've been subscribed?? It seems like forever. > Tom > M17 Obsessus > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 11:59:01 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat... > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA4SgiGoyXe6R71PW9LWcSaAncNKU2VDHSuQDRPuMVOFCg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > haven't seen much more discussion about flares ... carry them! smoke for > daytime and bright for night (some will do both). there is a new electric > flare (not smoke) available which means you don't need to buy new flares > every few years. > > https://siriussignal.com/ > > > for pyrotechnic flares ALWAYS look at the expiration ESPECIALLY when seeing > them on sale. i've found flares for sale that expire in just months or > already expired. i always dig through the stock and find the ones with the > longest use time. > > for PDFs buy one you will wear ALL THE TIME and ALWAYS were when under way > and when at the dock alone. me, i'm fine with the auto-inflate type. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 156, Issue 1 > ************************************************ > -- *Antonio Martinez* *Middle River Studio* 540-248-3310 (h) 540-414-4782 (c)

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Re: M_Boats: Salus Coastal not USCG approved?
by Dave Scobie 01 Feb '16

01 Feb '16

Antonio: so the Salus line isn't approved as a live preserver or PFD in the US? -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Antonio Martinez < middleriverstudio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I struggled with same PDF issues and finally found the Salus Coastal. > Doesn't meet USA CG standards, but seems like a good good compromise. > > > http://www.salusmarine.com/?products=coastal > > > > -- > *Antonio Martinez* > *Middle River Studio* > 540-248-3310 (h) > 540-414-4782 (c) >

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Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia
by Keith 01 Feb '16

01 Feb '16

If you can't remember, then it's been a long time. :) Sadly, there's no subscription history, all you could do is look through the archives for your early postings. Sent from my SmartPhone, thus explaining the typos -------- Original message -------- From: Thornton Wilkinson Date:02/01/2016 10:28 AM (GMT-07:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia How do I find out how long I've been subscribed? It seems like forever. Tom M17 Obsessus

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Re: M_Boats: Nostalgia
by bownez＠juno.com 01 Feb '16

01 Feb '16

Hi Keith, I go back to the paper newsletter days. I bought my 1976 M17 in 1996 after looking for one for 2 years. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Get up to a $500 bonus with a qualifying deposit to an Ally IRA from outside Ally Bank http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/56af6e11b5c26e100ccbst01vuc

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Browsing old Messages...
by Jazzy 01 Feb '16

01 Feb '16

Can someone tell me how to browse old stuff? Thanks... Jazz

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Re: M_Boats: Safety Equip on your boat...
by Mark Dvorscak 01 Feb '16

01 Feb '16

The only pfds that I have seen with a harness integrated that are not inflatables are designed for kayak and paddle sports. I don't know that the harness feature is up to the standard for an offshore vest. I don't think I would choose any that I've seen for offshore work, but that type of sailing isn't necessarily your plan either. I also haven't found any manufacturer or retailer that recommends the kayak designs for sailing. My recommendation is that you try on as many vests as possible, check out the manufacturer recommendations regarding appropriate use and make your own decision about what is right for you. You certainly don't want to take the advice that is no more than a personal opinion of someone on an internet discuss forum and run with it. Including what I've said! Mark Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Tom if you meant to send me a pfd link or pic...I'm not seeing it. Believe >it or not I'm having a hard time finding pfd with harness that's not auto. >So if you know of something link me! >Jazz

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