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Slide up rudder - mounting & setup
by John Schinnerer 12 Feb '16

12 Feb '16

Hi all, Well, I got the lovely original slide-up rudder from Rick. He barely ever used it, long ago, so I need to ask here... How does it work exactly? I can't just plug it in, since I have to re-do my gudgeons (adjust spacing of the existing two, add one in middle). Does the rod slide in the gudgeons, rudder moving with rod? Or does the rudder slide on the rod, rod stays fixed in gudgeons? I thought it would be obvious but when I look at it, it's not. There's one pin hole at the very top; another at the very bottom, in the end of the rod where it has reduced diameter for about half an inch; and a third near the bottom, where a pin would logically go just above the bottom rudder gudgeon. I have a pic of the FD showing the three gudgeons on the transom, but only with a mast crutch in it. If anyone with the slide-up rudder can post a close-in picture showing their rudder setup in place that would be very helpful also (picture worth 1K words at least!). thanks, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Rudder 3 Gudgeon
by Bob Eeg 12 Feb '16

12 Feb '16

Opps, that last message was meant for John, who bought Ricks wooden rudder. A rudder I built. Sorry, did not have my coffee when I wrote that...:-) Bob Sent from my iPad

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our Cerulea M17 #32 is pictured in the Yager sail and canvas ad in this months issue of 48 north magazine.
by Bruce Ward 12 Feb '16

12 Feb '16

Sent from my iPad

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Re: M_Boats: Switch panel....
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 10 Feb '16

10 Feb '16

Replaced OEM panel last year - fuse holders had literally disintegrated! 6 breaker Blue Sea panel - cheesy amazon volt meter and 30+ year old LED battery condition meter - had black G-10 cut at waterjet Johnny's and installed all three in the boat - - cool recessed switches and lighted tags for circuits - so fancy and I didn't even realize...No more 'shake it til it works' issues and not hard to do! (have the CAD drawing for the G-10 panel if anyone wants to replicate - just remove the slot for the Batt condition meter - makes fitting into exiting area much easier) Nice job on your deck connector - that is a 'good one'! GO In a message dated 2/9/2016 9:40:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jazzydaze(a)gmail.com writes: Let's see some pics and comments on your switch panels. Jazz

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Switch panel....
by Jazzy 10 Feb '16

10 Feb '16

Let's see some pics and comments on your switch panels. Jazz

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Re: M_Boats: phosphorescent flush
by David Grah 10 Feb '16

10 Feb '16

Connie, the stories of your adventures are the absolute best! Thanks so much and keep them coming! David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:43:16 -0600 From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: phosphorescent flush Message-ID: <56B95244.1010404(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 2/8/2016 6:38 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Tom, You're right, but do you have any idea of how often I had to change my underwear when, due to my own stupidity I misread a French Tide Table, and found that instead of going up the Seine in daylight, I now had to go up the Seine at night? The lock at the end of the canal from the port of Le Havre to the Seine dropped us (several barges and us in our 25 foot diesel powered Norwegian powerboat) into the Seine, at 7:30 with the incoming tide, as it got really, really dark; no moon. There we were, with our "toy" boat, surrounded by an armada of large incoming ocean freighters; many barges; and a pusher tug pushing a double width of 6 barges upstream. With the incoming 25 - 27 foot tide coming from the English Channel you were being propelled upstream at 4 knots by the tide; our boat speed through the water was another 5 knots, so total speed over ground was 9 knots - our destination was Rouen, a French ocean port. For the first half to three quarters of an hour, I would gladly have picked up our toy boat under my arm and climbed a Seine bank to get away from the "BIG BOYS", but there I was...., hugging the right shore and trying to stay out of their way, among a bewildering number of moving and stationary white lights, ahead of us and a bunch of red and green lights behind us. Initially it was a totally harrowing experience; but after the first hour, your abject fear slowly subsides and you slowly began to get used to it. I could follow the stern lights of the boats ahead of me, who all were going faster than we were; and finally we were alone on the dark river; tail-end-Charlie, the last one still heading upstream on that tide, on a very dark night, and the only lights that could be seen were from the villages on either bank of the Seine. Finally ,..... there was a glow in the sky ahead of us - Rouen's city lights. We reached our destination; the Rouen Yacht Club ferry boat, that was their Club House. We tied up there for the night at 1:30 AM. Another adventure successfully concluded. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: phosphorescent flush
by Mark Dvorscak 09 Feb '16

09 Feb '16

Yes, Connie. The phosphorescent flush is quite entertaining. We encounter it often when cruising the Salish Sea. Even more entertaining to see them light up when a seal swims around the boat. Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On 2/5/2016 9:40 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > >Tom, > >Have you ever seen phosphorescence in your flush toilet when you flush >the toilet and it is dark? Quite a sight too! > >Connie >> John, >> I had considered the all around white light combined with the 135 stern >> light plus the red and green but it added almost a foot to the top of the >> mast plus I already had the wiring roughed in for the deck nav. lights from >> the factory so I went that way. You are correct and I am glad the stern >> light is only 135degrees. Less chance of light bleed into the cockpit at >> night.I plan to do night sailing as I have done with all my boats. Nothing >> like being out there for a full moon and watch it rise above the waves. Not >> to mention the phosphorescence you can stir up with your wake. Really >> beautiful time to go out. No hot sun either. >> fair winds, >> Tom B >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a >> virus-free computer protected by Avast. >> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> >> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >> >>> The dome-top perko stern lights look at a glance like they are 180 >>> degrees, but I'm pretty sure they are 135, the specified visible angle for >>> a stern light per USCG rules. Mine is something less than 180 anyhow. I can >>> tell just by looking at the arc vs. the whole circle, plus if I sight >>> across the edges of the vertical opening, the bulb is nearly or completely >>> hidden. If it were 180 I would see half the bulb. >>> >>> Given the mounting location (on slope of coaming at rear of cockpit) and >>> 135 degree visible angle, the cockpit (certainly the forward 3/4 of it) >>> would be shielded from the bulb due to location and angle, I think...I'll >>> check when I get a battery in her. >>> >>> Kevin's configuration is nifty and legal...but more wiring in the mast. >>> I'm wanting to avoid having to bother wiring inside the mast and through >>> the deck. But if I'm ever going to motor at night "legally," I will need to >>> - for all-around white, or, 225 degree "steaming" light. Or, have an >>> all-around white light mounted down low where it will mess with night >>> vision. >>> >>> The all-around white would do for both under power and anchor light, so >>> I'm leaning towards that.. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John S. >>> >>> On 02/05/2016 01:51 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>> >>>> Good idea. I am concerned about using that 180 point stern light and >>>> preserving night vision. The newer montys have the stern light flush >>>> mounted on the transom so no light finds its way across the cockpit. >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> This email has been sent from a >>>> virus-free computer protected by Avast. >>>> www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> >>>> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Keith R. Martin < >>>> keith.richard.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Interesting discussion on stern lights..... >>>>> In my case I chose to have a mast mounted tri-colour and an all round >>>>> white, as well as side mounted nav lights on each side of the Bow. >>>>> >>>>> So when sailing just the typical tri-colour up top, but when under power >>>>> my >>>>> lights are configured with the all white up top and the side mounted nav >>>>> lights lit up, allowing me to avoid placement of an actual stern light at >>>>> cockpit level. >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone else using this configuration?? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.* >>>>> >>>>> *Burnaby, B.C. CanadaSerenity,** M17 Hull #353* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4 February 2016 at 19:41, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 02/04/2016 09:09 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >>>>>> ... Also very handy for dealing with the aft running lite or when >>>>>>> adding wiring for an auto helm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Speaking of stern light - my M17 has the standard Perko dome style light >>>>>> installed on the downward slope of the port side coaming where it drops >>>>>> down to the transom. >>>>>> But it was just mounted flat on the slope, meaning it's tilted quite >>>>>> steeply. The solid part of the dome blocks a lot of the light astern >>>>>> (problematic, for a stern light!). >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of the pictures shared recently about other things (like rudders) >>>>>> included a view of same light in same place, but with a nice wood wedge >>>>>> under the light so it sits level with respect to the horizon. >>>>>> >>>>>> For those who have something like that for their stern light - was it >>>>>> something you bought, or did you make it or have it made, one-off? >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to level my light in same way so wondering if there's something >>>>>> ready-made or I'll need to make it. >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks, >>>>>> John S. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>>> - Eco-Living - >>>>>> Whole Systems Design Services >>>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>>>>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>>>>> http://eco-living.net >>>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> > >

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Aft cockpit drain
by Jazzy 09 Feb '16

09 Feb '16

Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's threaded as if... https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0 Jazz

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Re: M_Boats: our Cerulea M17 #32 is pictured in the Yager sail and canvas ad ...
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 09 Feb '16

09 Feb '16

Looks great. In a message dated 2/8/2016 12:34:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: http://48north.com/the-magazine/

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Proposal re place to collect pictures
by John Schinnerer 08 Feb '16

08 Feb '16

Hi all, There's been a bunch of useful pictures posted lately. And, they're not anywhere we can look at now, except individual computers of those who saved them for themselves. I have a proposal: Enable the photos feature of the "Monty owners" yahoo group, as a place to put our collective pictures for this list, so that they remain available online in one location, can be in albums, can have links to them posted here. This would require the owner of the "Monty owners" Yahoo group to agree to turn on the photos feature. Is the owner of that yahoo group here on the list? If you are, would you be willing to enable the photos, for the purpose I describe above? Right now the Group Description says: "The sole purpose for this site is to act as an owner's registry for Montgomery sailboat owners and to act as a portal for links to already etablished Montgomery websites. It is not intended to duplicate or replace any existing web sites already dedicated to Montgomery sailboats. Please utilize the existing MSOG message board to stay in contact and post messages, and the MSOG.org board for classified ads. See the "Links" section for direction to all of these other sites and more." There is no existing web site that provides this ability, for members to add their Montgomery sailboat photos to share with other enthusiasts. Some on this list already have yahoo logins, anyone can get one for free, and there is no requirement to use it for anything else but to log in and add or view pictures in the group. It may come to pass that the MSOG site gets set up to provide this ability, and, that would be yet another registration for yet another site, the time-line is unknown, the functionality is unknown, the implementation is dependent on someone's free time and energy instead of yahoo's existing infrastructure. This group already exists, for Montys, let's use it for photos for those of us who want somewhere to put them. I rest my case...:-) If the answer is "no" or the owner is not here or the group is abandoned (only links added since 2012 are spam) then I'll look at other options to propose. A "Monty photos" Yahoo or Flickr group probably. thanks, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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