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Barlow Winchers
by JDavies104＠aol.com 19 Apr '09

19 Apr '09

Well, I put Barlow Winchers on yesterday and have come to some preliminary conclusions, although the wind was pretty light with only a few good gusts. They do work fine as cleats when the winch has three turns on it, and you can drop the end into the jam cleat for insurance. They definitely help in winch grinding, taking all the strain on the tail that you usually have to supply with your free hand. It's still a two-handed job, but but all you have to do is pull the tail off as you grind. They do, however, have a drawback that I think will overcome all the advantages, and that's that you can't easily uncleat unless you're near the winch. With cam or jam cleats you can uncleat with a jerk from anywhere in the cockpit, which is nice to be able to do when the wind's blowing. I've never used self-tailers, but it would seem that they would have the same problem. The winchers also work fine when cross-sheeting, which really makes grinding easy since you're doing it on the windward side. Cross-sheeting also makes uncleating easier, but only if you're single-handing. I can't see that cross sheeting would be very convenient when sailing with a crew. Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003)

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Re: M_Boats: Porta-Potti and Battery...
by W David Scobie 19 Apr '09

19 Apr '09

i find a group 24 in the bow is a nice counter-weight to the crew in the cockpit. the M15 can easily be made to 'squat' and as a result sail poorly. the older steel ballast M15s (assuming this is what you have based on the porta-potti sizing issue) allow a group 24 to fix 'like it was made to be there' in front of the steel 'hump' under the forward v-berth hatch. see pictures of this setup on Scred's www-site (look for the 'interior tour' link). another option, if you will only use lights and others for a limited time, is to hook up two 6V lantern batteries in series (giving 12V). have no idea how many amps this would provide ... but would be cheap and very light in weight. dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred --- On Sat, 4/18/09, Lou <capnlou(a)ec.rr.com> wrote: I also need a battery to run my depth finder and eventually some lights. I would like to avoid using a big heavy battery. Does anyone have any experience in this area? Thanks, Lou Aliotta

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large genoa
by Nick Chappell 18 Apr '09

18 Apr '09

Advice needed, please: I found a used headsail for sale. Dimensions are luff 21'5", leach 20'9", foot 14'11", LP 13'3" -- I calculate that to be a 185 genoa on an M-17. Way too large? Anyone sail with larger than a 160 genoa? All input appreciated. Nick M-17 #69

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Re: M_Boats: M15 V cleat change ideas
by JDavies104＠aol.com 18 Apr '09

18 Apr '09

Great ideas, Connie, I have also found that a 3 gallon household bucket also works fine for 150' of anchor rode and 17' of chain. My 11 lb claw anchor goes in the bilge under the cockpit with the bucket right next to it. Feeding the rode and chain into the bucket eliminates snarls when the line runs out. The oil containers are a really great idea for gas storage. Do you need to clean them out before filling them with gas? Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=htt… h)

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M15 V cleat change ideas
by Jared Prindle 16 Apr '09

16 Apr '09

After the first sail, I found that I really need to change the jib sheet V-cleats as they are really worn down and hardly hold the line at all. I'm looking for advice to what would be best and and using the original holes in the cabin. Option 1. Just replace the V cleats with new ones of the same size. The only reason I don't go right out and do this is that the existing ones seem to be made for a min of 5/16 line. Wouldn't it be better to have a Med size one that could accept 1/4" and 5/16" line? I also couldn't find any V cleat at this size with a fairlead built in which seems better to have one then not. Option 2. Get the Medium size V cleat with the fairlead built in. Use some Starboard or hardwood to build a base (maybe even wedge to give a better yank angle). Mount the V-cleat into the wood and the wood into the original holes in the cabin. Option 3. Make a wood base as above but add moving cam cleats like what's used on the mainsheet. Thanks for your advice. Jared "Lil p"

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Re: M_Boats: Doug's Gaff Rig
by Karsten Brooks 15 Apr '09

15 Apr '09

Nowhere. As of yet, I haven't had my Monty out in the mix. But, I'm thinking this is the season. I just got the outboard overhauled and running well. So far, I've only taken her out at Natoma, Berryessa, and Hennessey (local lakes). Going to the Bay, I might actually launch in Vallejo when (and if) I do, and sail the San Pablo Bay first. Otherwise, I suspect I'll launch from the Brickyard, Berkeley, or Treasure Island. Also, I'm looking forward to sailing her on the Delta. We windsurf regularly at Sherman Island, and I think it would be fun to use the Monty as a "camera station" for family and friends while they shred. I had great experiences sailing the Delta on my Newport 17 when I had her. The Carquinez Strait offers plenty of wind, current, and swell. How 'bout you? Have you had good experience sailing your M15 on the Bay? Karsten > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:12:43 -0700 > From: Robert Becker <bobjudy2(a)comcast.net> > To: brooks_kr(a)yahoo.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Doug's Gaff Rig > Message-ID: <49E65BDB.6050302(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Karsten, > > Great series of pictures! Where in SF bay do you sail your > M15? > > Bob > M15 #208 > > Karsten Brooks wrote: > > I occasionally crew aboard the 70-ft stays'l > schooner, Aldebaran, out on the SF Bay (and beyond). > Doug's head sail configuration reminds me a > "little" of ours. While tacking, Skipper only > calls, "Cut!" when the jib backs and pushes the > bow through the eye of the wind. He's not too concerned > about the main in transition, but he's very picky about > the stays'ls and head sails NOT going into transition > until after the bow has cleared the eye of the wind. So > anyway, I was wondering with those two sails flying out > there, Doug, if you did wait until the jibs backed before > you cut those sheets? Just curious. It might be a > completely different dynamic because of our small boats, but > I was just wondering... particularly in the stronger wind. > I would imagine that a lot of flogging in transition would > really slow the tack down (flogging as she came about). > What we find aboard Aldebaran is that when the jib backs, > and then we release, wham, bam, it's there, > > we sheet-in, and we're done. > > > > The first picture in this sequence is a nice view of > Aldebaran's jib and jib-top flying: > > > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6342916 > > > > Karsten > > M-15 #236 > > > > > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:44:22 -0600 > >> From: "William B. Riker" > >> <wriker(a)mindspring.com> > >> To: <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com>, "'For > and about > >> Montgomery Sailboats'" > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: gaff rig pictures > >> Message-ID: > >> > <E1LtaVY-0003xs-9C(a)elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > >> Content-Type: > text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Doug, > >> > >> It looks fantastic! You can tell from the > pictures that > >> the lower CE > >> reduces heeling and that puts the effort into > forward > >> progress. > >> > >> The boom is really high - a good thing on light > days. > >> I'd be inclined to > >> lower the main a bit, if possible, when it's > really > >> blowing. I do that now > >> as I have a few inches of play. > >> > >> Bill Riker > >> M15 - #184 > >> Storm Petrel > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: > montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On > >> Behalf Of Doug > >> Kelch > >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:16 AM > >> To: Montgomery > >> Subject: M_Boats: gaff rig pictures > >> > >> Sunday was a nice windy day so I asked a friend to > take > >> some pictures of my > >> modified rig on the M15. > >> > >> http://montgomeryowners.com/gallery/ > >> > >> The winds were a steady 15kts with gusts to 25 > kts.? What a > >> hoot :-) > >> ? > >> I have a lot to learn about tuning the rig but she > handled > >> exceptionally > >> well.? I was able to carry full sail during the 12 > - 15 kts > >> without an > >> serious heeling and the gaff rig shed the intial > 20 kt > >> gusts pretty well.? > >> > >> As the wind increased the tacking became slower > with all of > >> the leverage > >> against the turn with the jib way out there. > >> > >> The wind increased to 18 kts with gusts to 25 kts > so I put > >> 1 reef in the > >> main and with 1 gust over 25 and the main fully > release the > >> jibs absolutely > >> took control and we took off to leward.? > >> > >> The boat was a little sluggish to me going to > windward with > >> both jibs up and > >> 1 reef in the main so I rolled up the jib and > sailed under > >> the staysail and > >> single reefed main with a substanial increase in > speed.? > >> Interesting. > >> > >> This is going to be a fun season. :-) > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Doug Kelch > >> "Seas the Day" > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 31 > ************************************************

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Doug's Gaff Rig
by Karsten Brooks 15 Apr '09

15 Apr '09

I occasionally crew aboard the 70-ft stays'l schooner, Aldebaran, out on the SF Bay (and beyond). Doug's head sail configuration reminds me a "little" of ours. While tacking, Skipper only calls, "Cut!" when the jib backs and pushes the bow through the eye of the wind. He's not too concerned about the main in transition, but he's very picky about the stays'ls and head sails NOT going into transition until after the bow has cleared the eye of the wind. So anyway, I was wondering with those two sails flying out there, Doug, if you did wait until the jibs backed before you cut those sheets? Just curious. It might be a completely different dynamic because of our small boats, but I was just wondering... particularly in the stronger wind. I would imagine that a lot of flogging in transition would really slow the tack down (flogging as she came about). What we find aboard Aldebaran is that when the jib backs, and then we release, wham, bam, it's there, we sheet-in, and we're done. The first picture in this sequence is a nice view of Aldebaran's jib and jib-top flying: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6342916 Karsten M-15 #236 > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:44:22 -0600 > From: "William B. Riker" > <wriker(a)mindspring.com> > To: <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com>, "'For and about > Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: gaff rig pictures > Message-ID: > <E1LtaVY-0003xs-9C(a)elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Doug, > > It looks fantastic! You can tell from the pictures that > the lower CE > reduces heeling and that puts the effort into forward > progress. > > The boom is really high - a good thing on light days. > I'd be inclined to > lower the main a bit, if possible, when it's really > blowing. I do that now > as I have a few inches of play. > > Bill Riker > M15 - #184 > Storm Petrel > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On > Behalf Of Doug > Kelch > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:16 AM > To: Montgomery > Subject: M_Boats: gaff rig pictures > > Sunday was a nice windy day so I asked a friend to take > some pictures of my > modified rig on the M15. > > http://montgomeryowners.com/gallery/ > > The winds were a steady 15kts with gusts to 25 kts.? What a > hoot :-) > ? > I have a lot to learn about tuning the rig but she handled > exceptionally > well.? I was able to carry full sail during the 12 - 15 kts > without an > serious heeling and the gaff rig shed the intial 20 kt > gusts pretty well.? > > As the wind increased the tacking became slower with all of > the leverage > against the turn with the jib way out there. > > The wind increased to 18 kts with gusts to 25 kts so I put > 1 reef in the > main and with 1 gust over 25 and the main fully release the > jibs absolutely > took control and we took off to leward.? > > The boat was a little sluggish to me going to windward with > both jibs up and > 1 reef in the main so I rolled up the jib and sailed under > the staysail and > single reefed main with a substanial increase in speed.? > Interesting. > > This is going to be a fun season. :-) > > Thanks > > Doug Kelch > "Seas the Day"

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motors
by Tom Jenkins 15 Apr '09

15 Apr '09

Hi folks, Does anyone out there have an M17 with a long-shaft Honda 5 hp 4 cycle? If so, I wonder if you have recorded how far you can travel on a gallon of gas. Info on a similar motor from another Mfg might be equivalent. Thanks, Tom Jenkins Scintilla M17

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Re: M_Boats: Isle Royale Pics
by bownez＠juno.com 15 Apr '09

15 Apr '09

John and Doug, I am planning a Isle Royale trip third week in July on my M17. I'm hoping Gordon and Chad may find the time to make the trip as well. (Three yellow hulled M17's). I will not be able to circumnavigate the Isle, as I am allowing 9 days. Looking forward to a new destination and adventure. Bones PS, Doug, your M15 gaff/cutter mods rock. ____________________________________________________________ Click to slash your phone bill by up to 90%. Discounted VoIP service http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTHbpdHlJhSwLWCnUeFIO2BDl9…

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 cover from Sailors Tailor
by JDavies104＠aol.com 15 Apr '09

15 Apr '09

Michael, I ordered the grey poly. It's more durable and waterfproof than the acrylic, and I figured the grey might show the grime less. Although it's not a warranty, they say you should expect around ten years life. Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Great deals on Dell’s most popular laptops – Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631252x1201390195/aol?redir=htt… h)

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