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dinghies
by Tom Jenkins 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

The dinghy discussion has been very informative for those of us waiting out the end of winter. Has anyone out there seen or heard of the nesting sail/row/motor dinghy made by a guy up near Pt. Roberts WA 5 or 6 years ago? He sold them from his website, and turned them out of his garage workshop. I doubt they were as nice as the one built by Howard, but one would have fit in my Subaru forester when nested, and the photos suggested good construction and performance. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla

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knotmeter and depth sounder transducers
by David C. Patterson 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

Howard and Bones, you both responded to my questions about my tranducer problems, thanks. Bones, I am not brave enough to undertake removing the transducer mushrooms for the hull. Maybe after a few more years of working on my boat. If I can't make them work for me, I think I'll just leave them in. Of course there are the o-rings to deteriorate in there. Thanks for mentioning Navman. I'll look into that.... Howard, how does your gps get the info for depth? Do you now have a through-hull transducer, or does some sensor read right through the hull material? What brand(s) are you using for this alternative? By the way, that dinghy is a beautiful piece of craftwork. If you get ideas about self-bailing for the forward section, I hope you post them. Thanks for the response. David Howard and Bones wrote: I replaced my old electronics on my M23 with Navman gear and used the same transducer and bulkhead holes. The hardest part was getting the old transducer mushrooms out of the hull. Bones _________The knotmeter that came with my boat was a Horizon analog. It didn't work well, nor did the replacement I got from Horizon. Will register that you are moving, but not even close to being reliable for anything you would normally use a knot meter for. Bad news is, there is a BIG hole in the bottom of your boat. The knot meter transducer is installed with a plastic flange from the outside. Knot meter transducer plugs the hole from the inside, and the thing that seals it is an O ring. It's held in place by a wire clip. You really can't remove it unless you are willing to do the glass work (or hire someone to do it) to plug the hole. So basically, it's just there. A much better speed option is a GPS.....not something they had available back then. My GPS has a depth finder integrated into the unit. Best of both worlds. Howard ___________________________________________________

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Boat Tenders
by Rick Langer 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

Defender usually has a 10% off everything the first weekend of April. Rick Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:33:04 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: tenders Message-ID: <155FF709723241059681641AF93D9BAE@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Here's a location to see the Stearns K1 http://www.defender.com/category.jsp?path=-1|27082&id=993031 Joe

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Re: M_Boats: tenders
by bownez＠juno.com 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

Joe, Larry and Listers, Joe found a link at Defender for the Sterns Kayaks. Mine is most like the "Colorado Rio" model Part # 454089. There are also some pictures in the Monty Photo Site under M17 boats and "Bonita". There is a pic of me in my kayak and a photo of it deflated and stored in the cockpit under the tiller while underway. The kayak is very roomy and stable, but I would hate to paddle it against a strong current or head wind. Later, Bones ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmUB7iGN2sh30mRJwyJmMcP…

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Howard's Nesting Dinghy
by Steve R. 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

Beautiful dinghy Howard. She even impressed my wife. We each have a question. How long did it take to build? Wouldn't it have been easier to buy a dinghy? Guess which one is mine? :) steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/haudsley/Picture260.jpg

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Old fashioned British dinghy towing (quotes)
by David C. Patterson 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

I'm set up with a West Marine inflatable micro-dinghy for this season, and hope to figure out whether it can be towed at all without taking to the air like a kite, or filling with water. I was re-reading Maurice Griffiths' "Magic of the Swatchways" 1932 and found this: "Where's the stern drag painter?" yelled the mate from under her sou'wester. My heart sank. "Coiled up neatly on the floor of the dinghy." When we go to sea, my wife and I, with a dinghy in tow, we always (Always? Well, nearly always) bring a long painter aboard from the stern of the dinghy, which is kept slack until it is required to be cast overboard to steady the little boat. On this occasion I had forgotten, and left the drag painter in the bottom of the dinghy. (p.154) While the mate held an electric torch, I lay on the side-deck and hauled in the dinghy. The precious painter had got washed under the after-thwart in a nice tangle! A boathook at last freed it, and in a few minutes it was trailing astern. Then I eased the dingy off on its 10-fathom bass painter until it was swallowed up in the night, and although we ran through some of the biggest and steepest breaking seas I have ever seen, the dinghy gave no further trouble. P.155) ...Now, while I have no idea what a "bass painter" is, the technique is probably sound, if sailing the English Channel, and free of nearby power boats. I do wish I had a little Fatty Knees to struggle with towing. I'd try everything to get it right. David

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Re: M_Boats: Sounder transducer and knotmeter identification
by bownez＠juno.com 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

David, I replaced my old electronics on my M23 with Navman gear and used the same transducer and bulkhead holes. The hardest part was getting the old transducer mushrooms out of the hull. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEuJCrPeTS2BUGMFHMRYBU2Ap…

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Re: M_Boats: tenders
by bownez＠juno.com 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

Hello Rick, Tim, and Monty Gang, The inflatable I have been using is a one person kayak made by Sterns. It does have the West Marine name on it (and a K-1 logo) and is probably a discontinued model. I did by it on a close out price. It is very roomy and had storage space behind the backrest where I could store a dry bag, water jug, fishing tackle, shoes, etc. I have towed her and deflated her and stuffed it in the aft portion on the M17 cockpit, under the tiller. I use a foot pump to inflate, which actually takes little time. It does fit my long legs well. I have an M6.8 that used to belong to Dick Lane. I have used it as a "play" craft on local city lakes but have yet to try towing it behind my M17 (or M23). That will happen at some point. Theo and I had a M6.8 in the San Juans which we towed behind the chartered BCC and she worked great. I have pictures of my inflatable if anyone needs one to reference. Think spring! Bones ____________________________________________________________ Digital Photography - Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTDvmSn3R867jWO0HWhbUyKILU…

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Re: M_Boats: Sounder transducer and knotmeter identification
by pat britton 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

You've been so helpful to me, I wish I could answer your questions. Pat -----Original Message----- >From: "David C. Patterson" <davidcpatterson(a)msn.com> >Sent: Mar 10, 2009 10:33 AM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: M_Boats: Sounder transducer and knotmeter identification > > > >I hope someone on the list can help me with this: When I got my 1985 M17 >last year no electronics came with her, except for the old radio epoxied to >the overhead! There is a depth sounder transducer through the hull, and a >knotmeter wheel also. Lots of wire, but no identification of make or model >that I can find so far. The old owner has been non-responsive. I would >love to use them as is, which is to say I am very leery of removing them. >But how do I match them to current electronics? Has anyone worked this kind >of thing out before? And, yes, I have run aground when I wasn't wanting to. >Just a few times. Thankfully the board and rudder both can be raised. > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Sounder transducer and knotmeter identification
by David C. Patterson 10 Mar '09

10 Mar '09

I hope someone on the list can help me with this: When I got my 1985 M17 last year no electronics came with her, except for the old radio epoxied to the overhead! There is a depth sounder transducer through the hull, and a knotmeter wheel also. Lots of wire, but no identification of make or model that I can find so far. The old owner has been non-responsive. I would love to use them as is, which is to say I am very leery of removing them. But how do I match them to current electronics? Has anyone worked this kind of thing out before? And, yes, I have run aground when I wasn't wanting to. Just a few times. Thankfully the board and rudder both can be raised.

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