September 2008 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

2003 M-15 for sale in Florida
by Stephen Martin 07 Sep '08

07 Sep '08

Hi, Just wanted to let everyone know that we are putting our 2003 M-15 up for sale today. The boat is in Vero Beach, Florida and the price is $7500 for the boat, Honda motor, and trailer. It has been very lightly used and is in essentially new condition. For pictures see: http://picasaweb.google.com/cadenzaboat1/M15 The only modifications from the factory boat have been (1) addition of a custom stainless steel stern pulpit, (2) addition of a bimini (we need this in Florida), and (3) LED trailer lights. For more information call me at 772-559-0906 or email at cadenzaboat(a)hotmail.com Steve

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Re: M_Boats: Dinghy
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 06 Sep '08

06 Sep '08

Phil, A M 6-8 is about as flat bottomed a pram type as you could find - please refer to the MSOG site for "Montgomery Dinghy Brochures" GO In a message dated 9/6/2008 1:32:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, srelt(a)iclub.org writes: For a dinghy I am torn between an inflatable kayak and a solid one. However, I am not close minded on anything. Do those of you who use a dinghy find getting from an M15 into one of them is just too difficult--(too tipsy)? I see in our pics that some of you use narrow bottomed prams, dories, and kayaks. They are about as wobbly as any. Phil Qui-1 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

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Dinghy
by Phil & Frances 06 Sep '08

06 Sep '08

For a dinghy I am torn between an inflatable kayak and a solid one. However, I am not close minded on anything. Do those of you who use a dinghy find getting from an M15 into one of them is just too difficult--(too tipsy)? I see in our pics that some of you use narrow bottomed prams, dories, and kayaks. They are about as wobbly as any. Phil Qui-1

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Re: M_Boats: Need a regulator?
by John R. Butler 06 Sep '08

06 Sep '08

"Probably" any solar array will need a regulator to prevent overcharging batteries. I checked my first one on The Old Cat with a good digital multimeter, and when it held steady well above the optimum 13.6 volts (sometimes nearly 15.0) I knew I needed one. Check your battery/ies when you haven't used them in a while and your array is in full sun. Then you'll know. No, my e-mail address is not salacious, it just refers to my last sailboat, "The Old Cat." Check her out at <http://www.unicorn- systems.com/theoldcat.htm> ...

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Wrong info...
by Bill Lamica 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Hey solar people, Yesterday I gave the URL of the Solar Supplier in Ukiah, CA that I once used. Well, after playing a bit on their site, I find they are not the same as they used to be. I cannot find any info on Marine or RV. I think it's the same people, but maybe they are after the bigger sales now. I Googled and tried a few places then found Wholesale Solar http://www.wholesalesolar.com/ And in particular a page of PDF's that should be enough to help us get smart about solar power http://www.wholesalesolar.com/information.html And they have a special section for Mobile (RV-Marine) applications. Sorry for the bad link. This one appears to be pretty useful. I began looking because I was curious about the AGM batteries and the controller requirements. I figured since the AGM batteries require a special charger, the controller would be also. It's all there. Bill I'm really leaving town this time.

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Re: M_Boats: New photos on website
by Danelle Landis 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

It is beautiful here - when we're not being assaulted by the sideways rain so famous in southeast AK! To get up to nearly 200 inches annually, the rain has to be very, very ambitious. I do love all the wilderness, water and islands. My other hobby, K9 search and rescue, takes advantage of all the wilderness too. I look forward to seeing an M15 in person sometime - maybe even sailing on one! A 23 too! When I finally get off this island... I think our whole family will be traveling to New Hampshire this spring, so we'll get to see the right coast. I've never been east of Montana! (except for a layover in NY on my way to Scotland back in 1985) Where are you located? Danelle "Ceto" M17 #378 Ketchikan, AK http://web.me.com/anniesark9/Site/Ceto.html ----- Original Message ---- From: "chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net" <chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 7:24:41 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New photos on website Hi Danelle, Great photos. Thanks for introducing us "Right Coasters" to the beauties of Alaska sailing. I'm envious..... not having our M15 anymore. Connie

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regulator for solar charger
by Flickasf＠aol.com 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

I am going to my boat tomorrow and I see what kind of regulator I used. My system is currently set up to charge AGM batteries, a group 24 and 27. When I use the panel on my M 15, I'll use a AGM U-1. Bert M 15, Zephyr ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

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History Lesson
by Bill Lamica 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Here's your nautical history lesson for the day. The Naval history of manure: In the 16th and 17th centuries, virtually everything was transported by ship. This was a time before commercial fertilizer, so large shipments of manure were common. To conserve precious cargo weight, the manure was shipped dry and stored below decks in large bundles. Problems occurred when the humidity rose from being at sea for a couple of weeks - which then started the fermentation process - which in turn produces methane gas. Some hapless Sailor, unaware of the danger would take a lantern below decks and the ship would blow apart. Several ships were destroyed before it was found the placement of the manure was at fault. There-after the bundles were labeled, Ship high in transit to avoid the methane gas build up. *S*hip *H*igh *I*n *T*ransit evolved down through the years as the term we know today… SHIT. And that's the truth! And you thought it was a term to be used after an accidental jibe. Just leaving town... Bill

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Re: M_Boats: solar panel
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Sounds like a great application. Do you have your power boat Bill? (I may be mistaken here - third time this morning!) GO Who doesn't like to see NICE nuggets! cool. In a message dated 9/3/2008 11:24:12 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, billamicasr(a)gmail.com writes: Two opinions - Two schools of thought: Clean, quiet, convenient, etc. Gasoline, noisy. instant, etc. They are both good! But, which fits your needs? It's been some time ago, so things have undoubtedly improved; I looked into solar to power among other things, a 1000W microwave. I had room for 1-12v 100 plus amp group 27 battery and could not make it work. I would have needed a bank of 4 batteries. More if I did it right and went with 6v. This was not a marine application (however, makes little difference). We have photos of Dulce on the Photo Site, with it's array hanging over the stern at http://www.msogphotosite.com/M17Dulc.html . Fred powers 2 - 120Amp batteries. (Looks like allot of leverage hanging off the stern). Or, with a 100 plus amp battery you could probably cruise for at least three to four weeks powering just LED lights, and recharge when you get back to dockside. If you saw my test of the LED anchor light, that is a 6LED bulb, powered by 8 AA batteries. Turned it on and a week later could not say if the light intensity went down http://www.msogphotosite.com/DenHann.html As I mentioned, I no longer put the amp draw of LED into the equation. I have two LED cabin lights with 12-LED each. I left both on accidentally for three days, when I returned, the battery was still on full charge. LED rules! About solar: This goes back about 20 years ago. I worked for a guy in San Mateo, Ca who bought an Island off the coast of Panama. I was given the task of researching and ordering the parts needed to create power on the island. I used a California Company in Ukiah, called REAL GOODS SOLAR http://www.realgoodssolar.com/?gcid=S30908x001&keyword=solar If you visit their site, you can use their calculator to find what you need and it's free. Once you get to the point of decision making, they will personally help create the perfect package, for your situation. They were only one of a couple companies that helped back then. I looked up the site and it appears they are not only still around, they have grown. By the way; no, I did not buy a Monty. And, no I'm not sailing. As I mentioned some time ago, I'll never sail again... neck problems. The experience from what I speak is from past projects and current dry camp requirements while I work my mineral claims, in Oregon and Northern California. I have two camps set up, I use generator in both. I require the lights, pumps, etc to work when I show up and "for me" solar is just too much "If I could - would ya". In my old age, I need instant gratification and a little 120v too. (E-mail me off list if you are a prospector and want to see some really nice gold nuggets) If being green and reducing your energy footprint is important, the Honda generator is just as much a fuel miser as any other Honda product. I use about 1 gallon every three-four weeks to keep the batteries at top charge. I carry the generator, strapped down in the back of my pickup, to carry to location. One last bit of info. If you feel 120v would be nice (without a generator), don't forget to add the cost of a marine quality inverter to your shopping list (ouch!) Power is not a one size fits all. You have to create what you feel is needed for your application. After you settle on what is required by you (power, space limitations, learning curve, money, etc... the method will become obvious. Bill On 9/3/08, GILASAILR(a)aol.com <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Solar power is capable of providing the kind of power you are > searching for. > I currently use a 10w rigid (usually higher output than flexible) panel an > regulator and a sealed aircraft battery (small). > If you manage your usage and carry quality batteries (well maintained) and > quality panels (I have only used rigid) you can generate plenty of > electricity > IF you have the sun available. Collecting sun is not a problem here in AZ. > > Sean and I have friends currently staying in the Delta area that have a > monsterous capacity for solar generation - I will look into what the exact > details are, but they live on a Gulf 32 and are able to generate enough > power to > run virtually everything on board including the microwave via solar - YES > they > have a large array mounted on a framework over the stern but a portable > panel > or two is plenty for a M-15, 17, 23 if properly setup. > > Regulators usually include blocking diodes, a bit of attention to your > batteries and you have plenty of CLEAN QUIET power. > > GO > M-17 # 316A > > PS In my other life, I ran all but my heavy > electric (compressor,welder,A/C) > for my business from 1 50w panel and had to keep adding batteries until I > did not boil them dry! (no reg. at the time) - worked great when we got > the > right number of group 27 batteries banked!! > > > In a message dated 9/3/2008 8:51:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > seagray(a)embarqmail.com writes: > > Bert, > Do you have to use some kind of regulator to keep from over charging the > battery? What size battery do you have? > Thanks, > Joe > Seafrog, M-17 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Flickasf(a)aol.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:56 PM > Subject: M_Boats: solar panel > > > >I would suggest a solar panel and LED lighting for the interior and > running > > lights. I use a Uni Solar 11 flexable panel. It charges a battery > > enough > > during the day to power LED lights easily. > > > > Bert > > Zephyr, M 15 > > > > > > ************** > > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > > your travel deal here. > > > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

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Re: M_Boats: solar panel
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Solar power is capable of providing the kind of power you are searching for. I currently use a 10w rigid (usually higher output than flexible) panel an regulator and a sealed aircraft battery (small). If you manage your usage and carry quality batteries (well maintained) and quality panels (I have only used rigid) you can generate plenty of electricity IF you have the sun available. Collecting sun is not a problem here in AZ. Sean and I have friends currently staying in the Delta area that have a monsterous capacity for solar generation - I will look into what the exact details are, but they live on a Gulf 32 and are able to generate enough power to run virtually everything on board including the microwave via solar - YES they have a large array mounted on a framework over the stern but a portable panel or two is plenty for a M-15, 17, 23 if properly setup. Regulators usually include blocking diodes, a bit of attention to your batteries and you have plenty of CLEAN QUIET power. GO M-17 # 316A PS In my other life, I ran all but my heavy electric (compressor,welder,A/C) for my business from 1 50w panel and had to keep adding batteries until I did not boil them dry! (no reg. at the time) - worked great when we got the right number of group 27 batteries banked!! In a message dated 9/3/2008 8:51:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, seagray(a)embarqmail.com writes: Bert, Do you have to use some kind of regulator to keep from over charging the battery? What size battery do you have? Thanks, Joe Seafrog, M-17 ----- Original Message ----- From: <Flickasf(a)aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:56 PM Subject: M_Boats: solar panel >I would suggest a solar panel and LED lighting for the interior and running > lights. I use a Uni Solar 11 flexable panel. It charges a battery > enough > during the day to power LED lights easily. > > Bert > Zephyr, M 15 > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find > your travel deal here. > > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

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