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Re: M_Boats: Mast Rake for M-17
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 10 Sep '08

10 Sep '08

I got rid of both the rake and the shovel in the interest of aerodynamic, they were both about 10" to 12" though. GO In a message dated 9/9/2008 12:36:41 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, gmhyde1(a)mac.com writes: I have a little bit of rake aft on my M17 mast, but don't know exactly how much. Seems to work very well. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Joe Murphy wrote: > What is the concensus on any, if any, rake on a late model M-17. I > have a > 22' mast and have gotten some advice saying I should put in about > 2-3 inches > aft. Thoughts?? > Joe > Seafrog, M-17 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

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Handicaping
by larrypegg＠aol.com 10 Sep '08

10 Sep '08

Does anyone know the Portsmouth yardstick handicap numbers for an M-17.? I looked it up on the web but no info on how to do it.? Just the formulas with very little explanation. We had a great time racing. My wife says she feels twenty again. We got better and better as the weekend went along and the last race we were respectable.? Had a little adventure Sunday morning as the starboard outer shroud pin came out as we were setting the jib.? Wife brought us into the wind , I dropped all the sails she got the outboard down and started.? And as luck would have it I found the pin against the toe rail.? I got a new safety ring and repined the shroud and we were "just a bit" late starting the first race.? The last race of the weekend we were in great shape and misjudged the last buoy and touched it so had to make a penalty 360 and finished well back.? Everyone said we were doing great for our first race with so little previous sailing experience.? So put the boat on the trailer had a burger and beer at the Pub and home tired with big smiles all around. At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 208 249 0538

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Re: M_Boats: Handicaping
by JDavies104＠aol.com 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

To add to the handicapping confusion, I have a PHRF rating of 296, issued this year by Chesapeake Bay Yacht Racing Association (CBYRA) for my M-17. That takes into account a 135% roller furling genoa and no spinnaker, since I race non-spin. Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

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Rudder Advice
by geo & dot johnson 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

I have a Mongtomery 17 that I am taking down to the Texas Gulf Coast (post Ike!) to sail in the bays and eventually will do some short gulf passages from port to port. I just recently took the ASA 101 - 106 courses and had a blast learning all the navigation and offshore skills. The boat is in great shape, but the rudder was modified when I bought her to a swing type rudder in case of grounding or while anchoring in shallow water. The boat had been sitting in a harbor for quite a few months before I had her so the wood of the rudder was split and in rough external shape. I epoxied all cracks and fiberglassed the whole thing and have gotten several years of fantastic lake sailing out of her. I wouldn't mind trusting the rudder in the bay under good weather conditions, but in a blow or offshore, where conditions can be unpredictable, I want a more stout single piece rudder. Does anyone know where I can purchase a rudder that's solid from tiller to bottom? or know of plans, or could give me some ideas of what type wood I could craft one from? I've built three wooden kayaks so am familiar with building/fibergalssing but don't know all the ins/outs of building a rudder.. Thanks for any help you may be able to give! George Johnson San Antonio, TX Montgomery 17 # 600 "Sancha"

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Re: M_Boats: Handicaping
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

More like 'pipe off' - he da 'hoser'! Found this set of numbers- _http://www.nccn.net/~gcyc/_ (http://www.nccn.net/~gcyc/) - have seen others.(olditis at the moment) I have competed without a PHRF certificate and had numbers assigned from 300 - 306 I believe. 104 looks correct for D-PN # and 294 looks correct for PHRF (including the use of Spinn - hence the 300# for nonspinn), caveat here is these are LOCAL ratings based on local conditions and performances. Thank Goodness I haven't won a race lately! I should be 294 (non spinn) it appears. Maybe lower for being a smartas*! GaryO - hardly racing since they went to W/L courses exclusively, windward gates and radio start countdowns. Not enuf fun fer me! M-17 # 316a TaLL rig LB/GF! In a message dated 9/9/2008 12:41:54 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: If I remember correctly it's 104. Gary O is more currenter than I, maybe he'll pipe in. ----- Original Message ----- From: <larrypegg(a)aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:06 AM Subject: M_Boats: Handicaping > > Does anyone know the Portsmouth yardstick handicap numbers for an M-17.? I > looked it up on the web but no info on how to do it.? Just the formulas > with very little explanation. > > We had a great time racing. My wife says she feels twenty again. We got > better and better as the weekend went along and the last race we were > respectable.? Had a little adventure Sunday morning as the starboard outer > shroud pin came out as we were setting the jib.? Wife brought us into the > wind , I dropped all the sails she got the outboard down and started.? And > as luck would have it I found the pin against the toe rail.? I got a new > safety ring and repined the shroud and we were "just a bit" late starting > the first race.? The last race of the weekend we were in great shape and > misjudged the last buoy and touched it so had to make a penalty 360 and > finished well back.? Everyone said we were doing great for our first race > with so little previous sailing experience.? So put the boat on the > trailer had a burger and beer at the Pub and home tired with big smiles > all around. > > > > > > > At your service > > Larry Pegg > Pilgrim M-17 #55 > > 208 249 0538 > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1655 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 > 7:05 PM > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

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Re: M_Boats: Handicaping
by JDavies104＠aol.com 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

Tim I sail on the Potomac River from the Washington Sailing Marina, where the cruising boat racing is sponsored by the Daingerfield Island Sailing Club. I inquired about racing with the club last fall, and found that at the time they had a 19' minimum length spec. As a result of my questions, they re-evaluated their rule, and changed from a minimum length limit to a requirement that each boat have a valid PHRF rating, which can easily be obtained for an M-17. I've been racing this season in a weekly evening series, and after starting rather far back, we have worked our way up to around the middle of a fleet of fifteen to twenty 20 - 40 footers. Amazing to see how an M-17 can leave bigger boats behind. You should suggest this to your local fleet and get in on the fun. Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

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New photos on website
by Danelle Landis 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

Hello all, I finally put some new photos up on Ceto's website: http://web.me.com/anniesark9/Site/Ceto.html Just a note - it seems that they have changed the address slightly, (from the "mac" in the middle to "me") so I guess I'll need to change it in the directory too. My husband took our aluminum skiff out at the same time I had the M17 sailing, so he took a lot of photos. The newest photos are on the page titled (oh so creatively) "Newest photos". :-) Danelle Landis "Ceto" M17 #378 Ketchikan, AK

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Question about battens
by Andrei Caldararu 08 Sep '08

08 Sep '08

Hello, on my M-17 (unnamed yet, 1982), I think the second batten from the top is too long, and the third one from the top is missing entirely. As a consequence, in light wind the sail has a funny shape, getting a sharp bend at the battens' line. I'm sure that's not helping me move any faster (and my skills aren't helping it, either :-)). Does anyone know what length the battens need to be, or how to figure this out experimentally? Thanks, Andrei.

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Re: M_Boats: Question about battens
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 08 Sep '08

08 Sep '08

Guys, The best thing to do is take a piece of batten that you still have (pref. the longest one) and insert it into the batten pockets that are missing, the end of the pocket is to be marked (sharpie) and do this for each missing batten. This will give you an approximate length. I order my battens from Ullman Sails (either Newport Beach or San Diego) Ask for tapered battens of the length you have noted. When they arrive, adjust the length to fit the pocket by sanding,filing,sawing off the excess length. Make the adjustment at the outboard end (not the tapered end) - sand all corners smooth like a baby butt so they don't chafe and wear a hole in your batten pockets. You may also try contacting Bete-Fleming - they used to make my favorite tapered laminated battens. Be sure to specify a width of the material. Your battens may be different lengths due to different sailmakers - this is not a "tightly controlled one-design" scenario. The battens should fit in the pocket with a bit of tension (wrangling) in order that they do not fly out whilst luffing. Does not hurt to have spares - if using wood -traditionally ash - I would wrap them in vinyl tape as when ash battens break they tear sails. Ash or any wood battens also warp - not great for sailshape! Take Care,Have Fun GO M -17 # 316a LB/GF! M - 6.8 M - 7-11 a mini fleet now! In a message dated 9/7/2008 6:01:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, larrypegg(a)aol.com writes: I lost my top batten this weekend too.? And one of the others is not in to good of shape.? SO any help on replacements or.... thanks in advance. At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 # 55 208 249 0538 -----Original Message----- From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 8:36 pm Subject: M_Boats: Question about battens Hello, on my M-17 (unnamed yet, 1982), I think the second batten from the top is too long, and the third one from the top is missing entirely. As a consequence, in light wind the sail has a funny shape, getting a sharp bend at the battens' line. I'm sure that's not helping me move any faster (and my skills aren't helping it, either :-)). Does anyone know what length the battens need to be, or how to figure this out experimentally? Thanks, Andrei. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

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Seattle Owner?
by jon＠jonfreeman.net 08 Sep '08

08 Sep '08

Hello - New member here. My wife and I are selling our Catalina 350, and I am strongly considering the M-17 as a replacement to keep me (primarily) on the water, albeit in a somewhat different fashion. Anyone in the Seattle area willing to show off your boat to a prospective owner and his wife? She likes the looks of it, and we both would really like to see one up close. If it's what I think it is, and the Admiral can see herself on it, I am considering a new one. Early inquiries to the factory came back with a 40 day lead time. Any recommendations from you veterans on ordering from the factory? I sure like the pictures, stories, and videos (Youtube) I've been able to find so far. Regarding Montgomeries, I remember hearing positively gushing reports second hand a number of years ago when I knocked about in a West Wight Potter 19. Still haven't run across one yet in person. Thanks folks, Jon (and Deb) Freeman

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