July 2008 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Outboard question
by Andrei Caldararu 11 Jul '08

11 Jul '08

I have a couple of quick questions on the outboard that came with my M-17. It is the original 1981 Evinrude Yachtwin 4hp two cylinder long shaft that came with the boat. I had the spark plugs and water pump impeller replaced on it when I got it. It works fine now, but the main issue I have with it is about how much should it be in the water? As it is now mounted on my M-17, it only sticks in the water to the first widening of the shaft above the propeller (you may be able to tell that English is not my mother tongue :-)). My concern is this: way higher above the waterline there are a number of small holes in the shaft, and when running the motor there is smoke and a slight spewing of water coming out through them. This smells, and is noisy. Plus the exhaust seems to be unusually "smoky". The motor has not been used for about 6-7 years. Could there be some slush-old oil in the carburetor/cyclinders that make the mixture be weird and which when run produces the smoke? Do you think I should have the carb rebuilt or at least cleaned up? On my Compac 16 I have a very old (I guess, 1946) all-metal 3hp Evinrude with integrally mounted fuel tank. For some reason, there were none of these holes above the waterline in the shaft, and it seemed much quieter. Its exhaust was under the cowling, and I never saw much smoke coming out. Andrei.

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T shirts
by Chris and Jeff Packer 11 Jul '08

11 Jul '08

My Montgomery boats t-shirt arrived just in time for our 25th annual sailing regatta this weekend. Thanks Sean! They came out great. My boat is on its mooring and survived an extreme wind storm last night that all but took out the local marina at Kettle Falls. Last weekend, Chris and I spent our first weekend aboard and had a GREAT time. Good winds, quiet anchorages, and Chris loves the headroom and storage space that the boat provides. I've thoroughly enjoyed sailing the boat. It seems to have good upwind performance which will be tested against many other boats this weekend in our triangle course races. However, I have a rudder problem that I didn't get the chance to fix yet. The solid wood (I believe mahogany) rudder has warped a bit over the years. As a result, its shape is a bit like an airplane wing... very concave on one side and fairly flat on the other. This creates more pull to one side than I expected and will need to eventually be planed, epoxied, faired, and fiberglassed. Hopefully it won't slow the boat down to much this weekend. I've taken many pictures and will soon be sending them in to Bill for the boats and owners photo site. Thanks for all the input and help provided through this forum. Jeff Packer M-23 Clarity Hull #111

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Re: M_Boats: First couple of outings
by JDavies104＠aol.com 11 Jul '08

11 Jul '08

Andrei, I don't know if you have tried raising the M-17 mast without an assist, but it's not very hard to do and may save you some time. When I picked up my boat last summer the previous owner demonstrated raising the mast with just a line tied to the bottom of the forestay, through a turning block at the bow chainplate, and back to the cockpit, but it was only a safety backup, not used to raise the mast. After bolting the mast to the tabernacle, he just "walked it up" like a ladder, standing on the cockpit seats and moving forward until the mast was up. I did it my self (I'm over 70), and found it quite easy. I keep my boat on the trailer mast-up, so I don't have to do it every time I sail, but I have had it down several times this season for various reasons and don't consider it a major chore. It helps to have the boat tipped slightly forward by lowering the trailer tongue so the mast "falls" the last few degrees and stands by itself while you pin the forestay. I don't understand why "rolling the mast back is complicated by the spreaders". After lifting the bottom end off the trailer cradle, you should be able to just slide the mast back in the aft cradle until the spreaders are hard against the cradle, at which point the bolt holes should just line up in the tabernacle. I'd go with Option 5. I don't know anything about the C-16, but you can't beat the M-17 for sailing ability, seaworthiness, and comfort. Good luck Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)

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Re: M_Boats: Sail slugs and reefing?
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 10 Jul '08

10 Jul '08

In a message dated 7/8/2008 2:39:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com writes: I have an M15 without sail slugs and am perfectly happy with it.I rarely have any issues with the bolt rope. I do believe that as the boat gets bigger sail slugs become more of a neccessity. I have been sailing J22's and Catalinia 25s with sail slugs and am puzzeled about reefing a main with sail slugs. How do you do it? There seems to be a stack of sail slugs 1 1/2 fot high at the tack. How do you get the reefing tack secured and a good tight outhaul without putting excess strain on the the first slug above the reefing tack? The Catalinia 25 had a slug removed so the reefing tack would reach down to a tack hook. If this is a common practice how do you do a second reef? It seems that the stack of slugs is now 3 ft high. What am I missing? Thanks Doug Kelch M15 #310 "Seas the Day The only difference in reefing between slugs and a bolt rope is slugs aren't touched and the slack luff remains attached to the mast. Bolt ropes have to be pulled out of the mast slot for reefing and re-fed when you want to take the reef out. I'd assume the problems you have with slug use is caused from the boom being adjusted too far below the slug slot to relieve slug tension. Downhauls and outhauls come into play here but it depends on how the boat is setup. If the boom is set just below the slug slot and there's still harsh offset tension on the slugs that can't be tweaked by adjusting, it's probably a tack, cringle or slug placement error during construction. Bill P. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery M-15 & M-17
by JDavies104＠aol.com 10 Jul '08

10 Jul '08

Hi Michael, I have a three-year old Montgomery 17 which lives on a trailer at the Washington Sailing Marina, just south of Reagan National Airport. I would be glad to show it to you and take you out for a sail. Email me off-line at and we can set up a date. Rick Davies M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)

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Montgomery M-15 & M-17
by twosailors＠att.net 10 Jul '08

10 Jul '08

Hello, I live in Fredericksburg, Virginia and would like to see a Mongomery M-15 and M-17. If you live in Maryland or Virginia I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to see your boat. Thanks much, Michael Akridge

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Monty Tee's
by jim sadler 10 Jul '08

10 Jul '08

My Monty tee and sweat shirt arrived today. *They are way cool...........*. ! Thanks Sean Capt'n James A Sadler skipper sailing yacht Pelican M-15 (205)

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Re: M_Boats: Hello from Seattle
by Saltm17＠aol.com 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

Rob, I have the same problem with my Yahmaha 4 (4 stroke). From what I understand, the design on the 4 strokes is such that if laid on the wrong side, the oil leaks into the cylinder. When this happens - and it seems to happen on mine even if it is laid down on the right side - what I do is put down some oil absorbing cloth and then pull the spark plug. I clean the spark plug while the oil darins out and after it stops draining oil and the spark plug reinserted, the motor usually starts after a few pulls. John M17 # 372 Miss T ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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Hello from Seattle
by Rob Burgunder 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

Hello, My name is Rob and I purchased "Aegir" two years ago. She's a 1976 M-17 that's lived in Arizona, Oregon, and now in Seattle, Washington. I'm new to sailing and so far have cruised all around Lake Union and Lake Washington. I'm planning to take a short trip to the San Juans before the summer is over too. I ran across this site and found lot's of helpful information. I do have a little problem that I'm hoping someone can shed some light on. I have a 5hp Honda 4 stroke and my friend didn't see the "this side up for transport or storage" and lay the motor back/propeller down in his garage for a few days. When I came to pick up the motor, oil came leaking out from the water intake and from under the motor cover. I am pretty illiterate when it comes to motors so any tips on how I can get this once beautifully running motor to start again would be much appreciated. Thank you.

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Re: M_Boats: Removing Brightwork for Refinishing
by Mark Delin 08 Jul '08

08 Jul '08

Hi Tom and Robert, Thanks for your advice! Prying the toe rail up to increase pressure on the screws worked in a couple of places, but I still ended up needing to pry out the teak endcaps in a few places. Well, now that the teak is off the fun begins! My wood is so weathered that it really has to be sanded down pretty well to make a nice finish. Thanks again, Mark

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