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Re: M_Boats: Salvage
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

Can I let the emergency brake off of my neighbors Porsche and claim salvage rights? Otay just trying ... GO In a message dated 7/2/2008 11:28:51 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, paint4real(a)aol.com writes: It turns on whether the vessel is in "peril."? As indicated on this tow service's page, http://seatow.com/boating_safety/salvage.asp, groundings or even a dead battery might qualify, under the circumstances.? Even a towage arrangement can evolve into a salvage claim, as in one case where a tug's towing hawser parted, in a full gale, which immediately put the towed vessel in peril and, so, reestablishing the tow entitled the tug to a 55% salvage award.? (If interested and with access to West's Federal Reporter, the case is at 199 F.2d 600 -- which is to say, it's not anecdotal.? Entitled, "Waterman S.S. Corp. vs. Shipowners & M. Towboat Co.) The unmanned boat adrift in nonperilous conditions is a situation equally as tough to nail down.? Still looking . . . -----Original Message----- From: Richard Everett <rick(a)skyko.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 12:33 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Salvage Wouldn't the tow operater be in your employment if you pay them for a tow, thus making you the owner the person with rights to the "salvage"? I would think any lawyer worth his salt could argue something like that at any rate. Do you have a link to a case where this tow service actually won a boat they had been paid by the owner to tow? Also, in the other case, what would prevent someone from untying the dock lines on any particular boat they wish to *salvage* and waiting for it to drift out? I don't think that practice would be much out of the reach for someone who is willing to steal a boat via salvage anyway. "Another salvage topic...here in Florida there is a tow service (S_aT_w) well known for making salvage claims on private yachts when called for only a tow. Salvage law is very clear about how this can happen without the owner knowing or being told until after the fact. Insurance companies even endorse this practice because they feel it saves money over paying for a total "loss". Essentially, the tow operator only has to make a decision on whether the boat could be in peril if he doesn't tow it to safety. He doesn't have to get permission or even tell the owner about a salvage claim before or during the tow...it's totally up to the boat owner to ask before the tow and it doesn't matter who tossed the tow line. Bill P." _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (www.tourtracker.com ?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)

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Mounting T-track on toerail
by Gordon Gilbert 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

I've been planning to mount genoa tracks on my '83 M-17, and since someone recently posted on this topic recently I thought I'd ask the question I've been wondering about: My teak toerails are bolted through the deck-hull joint at at random intervals, anywhere from about five inches through eight inches apart. There's no even spacing. Considering that the Schaeffer T-track is bolted through at four-inch spacing, should I even try to line up some of the holes? Complicating this is that you have to drill and bolt the first two holes and then bend the track as you go -- so you really can't know how anything is going to line up until you get there. I'd hate to start and then have to drill new holes too close to the old ones. Has anyone performed a retrofit like this before? If so, any suggestions on how to proceed? Thanks much, Gordon M-17 #377 "Sapphire" Milwaukee

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Re: M_Boats: Salvage
by Richard Everett 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

Wouldn't the tow operater be in your employment if you pay them for a tow, thus making you the owner the person with rights to the "salvage"? I would think any lawyer worth his salt could argue something like that at any rate. Do you have a link to a case where this tow service actually won a boat they had been paid by the owner to tow? Also, in the other case, what would prevent someone from untying the dock lines on any particular boat they wish to *salvage* and waiting for it to drift out? I don't think that practice would be much out of the reach for someone who is willing to steal a boat via salvage anyway. "Another salvage topic...here in Florida there is a tow service (S_aT_w) well known for making salvage claims on private yachts when called for only a tow. Salvage law is very clear about how this can happen without the owner knowing or being told until after the fact. Insurance companies even endorse this practice because they feel it saves money over paying for a total "loss". Essentially, the tow operator only has to make a decision on whether the boat could be in peril if he doesn't tow it to safety. He doesn't have to get permission or even tell the owner about a salvage claim before or during the tow...it's totally up to the boat owner to ask before the tow and it doesn't matter who tossed the tow line. Bill P."

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Re: M_Boats: New Rudder
by Michael Ray Wisely 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

Hi Jake, I have one of the Ida Sailor kick ups and I love it. I only wish it had 3 pins instead of just 2 that it came with (top and bottom). I asked about it and was told that 2 are enough but I would just feel more comfortable with 3. I may order another pinion and install it myself. As far as the piston goes, I would not leave it in salt water for an extended period of time, but it's construction seems to be excellent and it is stainless I think. If I keep "Meg" at the dock for any length of time I remove the rudder, rinse it and store it forward. It's pretty cumbersome, but I feel better with it out of the water as it was pretty pricey. The Bottom line is, it's a quality product. My 2, Best, Michael Ray Wisely M17 #383 "MEG"

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Re: M_Boats: Help with M-17
by JDavies104＠aol.com 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

My 2005 M-17, hull #633, came with wire/rope halyards, so they are not only found on older boats. Rick M-17 Lynne L ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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Re: M_Boats: Salvage
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

Several yrs ago one of our locals (I know of him from local boatyards) had a 40' sailboat drift up to the private dock he was fishing from. He secured it to the dock and got an attorney to make an ownership claim. The short of the story is he got legal ownership of the boat by advertising locally and doing formal paperwork. The owner of the boat was a local (Cocoa, Florida) resident who moored the boat in a public area and left it for months at a time while he worked in Alaska. He was never notified and the advertising was local so this was a loophole for the bad guy to legally steal the boat. When back in Florida the original owner ended up buying the boat back for half it's value. Both parties told me the same story so I assume it's true. Another salvage topic...here in Florida there is a tow service (S_aT_w) well known for making salvage claims on private yachts when called for only a tow. Salvage law is very clear about how this can happen without the owner knowing or being told until after the fact. Insurance companies even endorse this practice because they feel it saves money over paying for a total "loss". Essentially, the tow operator only has to make a decision on whether the boat could be in peril if he doesn't tow it to safety. He doesn't have to get permission or even tell the owner about a salvage claim before or during the tow...it's totally up to the boat owner to ask before the tow and it doesn't matter who tossed the tow line. Bill P. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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Re: M_Boats: Help with M-17
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

In a message dated 6/30/08 11:36:40 PM, andreic(a)math.wisc.edu writes: > For some reason > these cleats, instead of having two equal length "horns", have one > long and one short. That makes it hard to do the standard locking knot > I used to do on other boats. > I believe you're describing a teardrop or closed-base cleat. My understanding of their use is they're designed to take the load from only one side, which will be the lower side, with the shorter horn (the horn being shorter just to get the unneeded extra length out of your way), and with the load parallel to the horn (which describes the force on a main halyard cleat). Two figure-8s locked down is plenty to hold a halyard. Then (assuming you're not leading your halyard aft), when you coil the halyard, reach through to grab the standing part, pull that through, give it a twist and drop the loop over the upper, longer horn of the cleat, it will remain secure, holding the coiled line. The main halyard would (should) be the only line on that cleat. ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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Ventilation
by Phil & Frances 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

The M 15 is stuffy and hot. Have any of your owners ventilated yours so sleeping there is really possible? If so what did you use to do the job? Any secrets to doing the job? Any brand names of equipment to share? And would you recommend doing it? Phil

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Re: M_Boats: help with slug order
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

In a message dated 6/30/2008 1:15:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, anniesark9(a)yahoo.com writes: I just visited west marine, and am very confused about the sail slug ordering. Can anyone give me the exact item I should order to get the right item to convert to sail slugs from the mainsail bolt rope? Doesn't have to be Westmarine, of course! I see the thing called "Battcar" and all I can think of is that it has something to do with the "Battcave" and the "Battmobile" and Robin, and the commissioner... Too late for me, I think! Danelle "Ceto" M17 #378 I don't know what size fits your mast but I've found that SS bails on non-heeled slugs snag less than plastic bales and heeled slugs. But all types work and when fitted properly let the sail drop mostly by itself to the deck without snagging and without lubrication. Don't get too hyped up about picking the "wrong" slug, just make sure it isn't tight in the mast. As mentioned by others you will need to install grommets (tooth grommets)...or polyester/nylon straps in the bolt rope tape. Shackles can be SS or plastic. Plastic works fine on small boats...use screw types (not press together types), don't over tighten the screws and they won't crack as easy later in life. Slugs can also be seized to the grommet with twine if you want functional simplicity. Is your mast track opening above or below the boom? Hopefully above...so you can hank sails on and off without removing the boom. A slug stop will be needed to keep the slugs contained too. BP **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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