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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Teak Cockpit Grating
by John Owens 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

I'm currently making cockpit grating for a guy with a Guppy 13 and would be happy to make one for you. Feel free to contact me at my website jowoodworks.com or here.John OwensJ O Woodworks903-894-6293870 County Road 3812Troup, Texas 75789www.jowoodworks.comjohn(a)jowoodworks.com> From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 65, Issue 13> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 16:06:56 -0600> > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Turnbuckles (Joe Murphy)> 2. Re: Turnbuckles (Joe Murphy)> 3. Where's my halyard? (Bruce Ward)> 4. Removing Brightwork for Refinishing (Mark Delin)> 5. Re: Removing Brightwork for Refinishing (Tom Smith)> 6. Re: Removing Brightwork for Refinishing (Robert Becker)> 7. M-15 Teak Cockpit Grating (jim sadler)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:05:31 -0400> From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turnbuckles> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <000e01c8deb8$f387a140$6401a8c0@toshiba9c850a7>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > Andrei,> Look for 'jaw body only turnbuckle'. One side has the jaw to connect to the > chainplate and the other accepts the shroud. The trick is going to be to > find one small enough for 1/8" wire.> Joe> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrei Caldararu" <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:25 AM> Subject: M_Boats: Turnbuckles> > > > The trouble is that the part I need is only half of a turnbuckle; I> > suspect that if I buy a regular turnbuckle it will be too long for> > what I need, even with all the adjustments at the shortest setting.> > Does anyone happen to know what this "half-turnbuckle" is called? If I> > knew, I could try to find someone who sells something like this.> >> > Thanks,> >> > Andrei.> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:22:25 -0400> From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Turnbuckles> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <001501c8debb$50dcd700$6401a8c0@toshiba9c850a7>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > Andrei,> I went to Defender.com and found this...> > http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|118|107602|297402|823935&id=123…> > I think this is what you are looking for.> Joe> > From: "Andrei Caldararu" <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:25 AM> Subject: M_Boats: Turnbuckles> > > > The trouble is that the part I need is only half of a turnbuckle; I> > suspect that if I buy a regular turnbuckle it will be too long for> > what I need, even with all the adjustments at the shortest setting.> > Does anyone happen to know what this "half-turnbuckle" is called? If I> > knew, I could try to find someone who sells something like this.> >> > Thanks,> >> > Andrei.> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:45:31 -0700> From: Bruce Ward <northwave(a)telus.net>> Subject: M_Boats: Where's my halyard?> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <D6D4B197-E38A-4A73-BF7F-E1FCD4925ED5(a)telus.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed> > Hi Danelle,> > sounds like your sail with your mom and her man was an interesting > one for you - from the slightest zephyr to gusts that catch you > with a surprise. We have those conditions on our BC mountain lakes > as well. Given that, I am happy to have the capability to reduce > sail in a hurry and have been thankful when short handed (alone) to > have both sail slugs on the main and lazyjacks to help control it > when it gets dropped for reefing and bare poling. My halyard > shackles are also the stamped steel locking pin style as well but > have not failed me to date. I have a furling genoa for the first > time and so am liking that feature but also with some learning to > do. As with all our boats in the first season or so in discovering > their manners, it comes with a few lessons. Thanks for sharing > yours, bruce> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:18:37 -0700 (PDT)> From: Mark Delin <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net>> Subject: M_Boats: Removing Brightwork for Refinishing> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <434505.86918.qm(a)web82604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1> > Hi Everyone,> > I'd like to refinish the toe rail and other brightwork on my M-15 in Cetol and have started on taking off the toe rails. When I try to unscrew the nut on the underside of the deck-hull joint that the toe rail is bolted to, I find that I have a couple of bolts that seem to be turning inside their holes, which is nicely covered up with a wooden dowel on top, make them inaccessable. Any suggestions? Also, I am wondering does the toe rail want to straighten out once its unbolted, making re-installation a chore? Finally, I have a wooden plate screwed or bolted into the back of the transom just under where the traveler would be if I had one. Does anyone know what its for? If I take it off, will I lose the bolts behind it in some irretrievable spot deep down inside the transom? > > Thanks for any assistance!> > Mark Delin> M-15 Seabright, San Diego> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:29:02 -0700> From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt(a)gmail.com>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Removing Brightwork for Refinishing> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID:> <4e8a689b0807051329i12537ce4w13f770a4bc49caf5(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > I'm surprised you only have a couple turning. You will likely have to> remove the plugs in order to get on the screw-heads to re-install the> toe rail anyway. One way to do that is to drill a pilot hole in the> plug, then drive a small wood screw down through the plug. The plug> will lift out (In theory. I've done this and it works, but you'll> have a large sampling to test it further.)> > I suspect the toe rail will retain some of it's curve and> re-installation will not be that hard with everything pre-drilled.> When I refinished M15 toe rails, I did it on the boat. I'm lazy that> way...> > Don't know what your wood bit is. I don't remember what that looks> like in there, but it'll be a tight squeeze regardless. t> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:46:28 -0700> From: Robert Becker <bobjudy2(a)comcast.net>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Removing Brightwork for Refinishing> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID: <486FDDA4.9020902(a)comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Mark,> > I have refinished my toe rails and did it by removing them from the > boat. When you have a bolt that turns when you try to take the nut off, > try gently prying up on the rail to hold the bolt from turning. Also, > make sure the bolt threads are clean so the nuts can turn. I > successfully removed all nuts using this method. Mark the problem bolts > and after refinishing, put them back on again using prying pressure to > keep them from turning. The rails kept their shape while off of the boat.> > I am not sure I understand where the transom plate is you are talking > about, but if it is not a problem, leave it alone. (Aint broke, don't > fix it, works for me)> > Bob> 1982 M15 #208> SF area> > > Mark Delin wrote:> > Hi Everyone,> > > > I'd like to refinish the toe rail and other brightwork on my M-15 in Cetol and have started on taking off the toe rails. When I try to unscrew the nut on the underside of the deck-hull joint that the toe rail is bolted to, I find that I have a couple of bolts that seem to be turning inside their holes, which is nicely covered up with a wooden dowel on top, make them inaccessable. Any suggestions? Also, I am wondering does the toe rail want to straighten out once its unbolted, making re-installation a chore? Finally, I have a wooden plate screwed or bolted into the back of the transom just under where the traveler would be if I had one. Does anyone know what its for? If I take it off, will I lose the bolts behind it in some irretrievable spot deep down inside the transom? > > > > Thanks for any assistance!> > > > Mark Delin> > M-15 Seabright, San Diego> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> >> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:06:51 -0700> From: "jim sadler" <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com>> Subject: M_Boats: M-15 Teak Cockpit Grating> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Message-ID:> <ef4da6b20807051506o1cf31807o3622cb7c9b7eb3b5(a)mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Have any of you skippers installed a teak cockpit grating on M-15?> > Where did you get it?> > Happy Fourth> > Capt'n James A Sadler> skipper sailing yacht Pelican M-15 #205> > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> montgomery_boats mailing list> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 65, Issue 13> ************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ The i’m Talkaton. 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Help with M-17 Hardware
by Andrei Caldararu 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

Dear Montgomery boats owners (and especially Jerry), my 1982 M-17 boat has a bent sidestay fitting, at the deck mounting plate. The photo at http://www.math.wisc.edu/~andreic/SDIM0650.jpg shows the two fittings for the two sidestays, one that is in good shape and the one that's bent. What looks to be bent is a fitting that looks like half of a turnbuckle, its jaw, and the turnbuckle screw. Do you happen to know who manufactures these, and where I can buy them from? I vaguely remember Jerry saying that he had some of the original hardware that was used for these boats, is this fitting one of them? A second question: the electrical connector that was connecting the mast-top light to the deck-mounted fitting (at the end of the wire that is at the base of the mast) has been cut-off by some previous owner. Same question as above: who manufactures it, and where can it be bought? The female connector on the deck looks like the male one would screw into it, and it has two metal terminals inside that are bent at 90 degrees angles. It has a metal cap that screw over it to keep water from getting in. Thanks! Andrei.

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Re: M_Boats: Sea Frog
by bownez＠juno.com 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

Hey Joe, Congratulations on your new M17! Heady times indeed and I share your enthusiasm taking possession of your new sloop. Look forward to seeing your presentation on Sea Frog. Did you sell your NS27? Later, Bones ____________________________________________________________ Make more on your investments with qualified asset management. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3npt7PKADqRUPHJeHbLvYGRg4…

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M-15 Teak Cockpit Grating
by jim sadler 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

Have any of you skippers installed a teak cockpit grating on M-15? Where did you get it? Happy Fourth Capt'n James A Sadler skipper sailing yacht Pelican M-15 #205

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Removing Brightwork for Refinishing
by Mark Delin 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

Hi Everyone, I'd like to refinish the toe rail and other brightwork on my M-15 in Cetol and have started on taking off the toe rails. When I try to unscrew the nut on the underside of the deck-hull joint that the toe rail is bolted to, I find that I have a couple of bolts that seem to be turning inside their holes, which is nicely covered up with a wooden dowel on top, make them inaccessable. Any suggestions? Also, I am wondering does the toe rail want to straighten out once its unbolted, making re-installation a chore? Finally, I have a wooden plate screwed or bolted into the back of the transom just under where the traveler would be if I had one. Does anyone know what its for? If I take it off, will I lose the bolts behind it in some irretrievable spot deep down inside the transom? Thanks for any assistance! Mark Delin M-15 Seabright, San Diego

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Where's my halyard?
by Bruce Ward 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

Hi Danelle, sounds like your sail with your mom and her man was an interesting one for you - from the slightest zephyr to gusts that catch you with a surprise. We have those conditions on our BC mountain lakes as well. Given that, I am happy to have the capability to reduce sail in a hurry and have been thankful when short handed (alone) to have both sail slugs on the main and lazyjacks to help control it when it gets dropped for reefing and bare poling. My halyard shackles are also the stamped steel locking pin style as well but have not failed me to date. I have a furling genoa for the first time and so am liking that feature but also with some learning to do. As with all our boats in the first season or so in discovering their manners, it comes with a few lessons. Thanks for sharing yours, bruce

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Turnbuckles
by Andrei Caldararu 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

The trouble is that the part I need is only half of a turnbuckle; I suspect that if I buy a regular turnbuckle it will be too long for what I need, even with all the adjustments at the shortest setting. Does anyone happen to know what this "half-turnbuckle" is called? If I knew, I could try to find someone who sells something like this. Thanks, Andrei.

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Joe-here's a great splicing book
by Flickasf＠aol.com 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

The best book I have found is Working Rope Field Guides for Rigging Book 5 Basic Braided Splices by Brion Toss & Margie McDonald. Also take a look at Brion Toss's video or DVD on splicing. Bert M 15, Zephyr ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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Re: M_Boats: Double braided splicing.
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 04 Jul '08

04 Jul '08

Googling "double braid splicing" produces pages of links to demos, both static and animated. ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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Re: M_Boats: Double braided splicing.
by bownez＠juno.com 04 Jul '08

04 Jul '08

Good Old Boat did an article a few years back about double-braid splicing. They have a search feature on their website as well to assist in finding it. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Sweepstakes!!! Enter for your chance to WIN a summer spa getaway! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7Ujkl175DXmK6JlFuylOK5Jo…

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