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Re: M_Boats: How to tell core rot
by bownez＠juno.com 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

Listers, Having made the decision and taken the time to cut out and rebuild my M17 foredeck from the INSIDE, let me tell you, it is one royal pain and not a job to be taken lightly. My deck was very bad. Soft, spongy, leaking from the inside, and saturated. The moisture actually spreads through the balsa core. Granted, it would have been a much easier job to cut the top layer of deck and have gravity work for me, but I didn't want to repaint the entire top deck. Time will tell on how my repairs hold up. I believe Larry Yake had a similar fun experience. Here's one BIG fact I learned during the re-build, buy and wear a respirator! Later, Bones ____________________________________________________________ Largest network of startups. Find new startup opportunities. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l5i5GhAROH6MfgXayOiCXiCR…

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Re: M_Boats: Things to look for in a used M-17
by JDavies104＠aol.com 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

Andrei, I am pushing 72, and have been sailing an M-17 since last summer. I can raise or lower the mast solo with no trouble in ten minutes or so, although I keep the boat mast up on a trailer at a marina, so I don't have to do it too often. It does take a little practice to be comfortable with the process, but once I got over my initial trepidations I found that it's very straightforward. You need to rig a line attached to the disconnected forestay through a turning block on the bow chainplate back to the cockpit, but it's mostly for confidence - you won't have to use it much. The shrouds and backstay stay connected. Also crank the trailer tongue down so when it seats the mast is slightly canted forward. Good Luck Rick Davies M-17 Lynne L Hull #633 ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: Boat improvement projects
by JDavies104＠aol.com 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

I know that this is a boat forum, but the mention of British Sports Cars reminded me of the 1968 red MGB that I bought new and kept running for 18 years. Get to know a car pretty well in that time. It was the epitome of 40's engineering, and they mixed rust into the metal at the factory, but I loved it and it gave me many years of fun. Something in the "chroming the garbage can" theory, however. In my case it was red paint. I bought my M-17 pretty new too, and hope it gives me as much pleasure, although the garbage can analogy doesn't seem to fit. Rick M-17 Lynne L ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: How to tell core rot
by Mark Escovedo 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

Andrei, If rot is not readily apparent you can always pull a piece of deck hardware and check to see how it was mounted. Any hardware I've installed on my deck is mounted through holes that I have lined with a sleeve of either plastic or metal tubing (I prefer plastic). I drill the hole, swab the sides with epoxy then slip the plastic sleeve into the hole I also slightly chamfer the gelcoat on the deck to make sure there is a small moat that the epoxy can fill around the tubing hole liner. I find this process to be a pretty good counter measure for keeping moisture out of the balsa core. After removing a fairlead or clamcleat, and you find the core is soft or damp inside the mount hole, you may have a rot problem. Fair Winds Mark Escovedo M17 Flushdeck #103 "AMY" ----- Original Message ---- From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 11:19:11 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to tell core rot Will the leaks also be revealed in stains on the headliner/cabin interior? The boat I am interested in has supposedly been very well taken care of by its previous owner, and then stored under a good quality tarp that covers it all. But it was outside in Utah through two winters (=snow). A. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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How to tell core rot
by Andrei Caldararu 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

Dear all, as I explained in my earlier messages, I am looking at buying an older, 1975 M-17. Some people here have expressed concern about deck core rot. How does one tell? What does it look like? Where to look for it? Since now I have a Compac 16, I never had to contend with the issue. Thanks, Andrei.

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Re: M_Boats: Perhaps the M-17 is not for me... M-15?
by bownez＠juno.com 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

Steven, Great post and well said about your M15 experience. I'm in Mpls, we should get together and compare notes and stories sometime. I have also chartered on Superior and let other sailors pay for the slip and boat payments. Of course, as Jerry has always said, buy the boat that you will put you on the water the most. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Take a perfect family vacation to Orlando. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nK7uXDkmD5nnIkzZYKA2h9b8…

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Re: M_Boats: tickles my soul
by Bill Riker 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

For the record, whild Skip was drifting by, I was being held by a 2kg (4.4lb) Claw anchor on ancient 1/4" line. While carrying a full cockpit length boom tent. Not that I recommend it. The boom tent idea was Stoopid, and trusting my little anchor in those conditions showed overconidence. But it held!! That little sucker really does the job. On the plus side, I did have my 5kg Claw in the cockpit ready to deploy if necessary. It was a great cruise, with good sailing every day and new and old friends to share it with. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- >From: wcampion(a)aol.com >Sent: Jun 4, 2008 10:39 AM >To: doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com, montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: M_Boats: tickles my soul > >Doug et al, > >You missed the adventures of Bill, Mike and myself on Sunday evening.? It sure would have been?nice to have a good anchor!!??? My Danforth?once again had me drifting. ?When?the wind shifted, my anchor released and did not reset, hence I drifted.? At one time during the first squall with the pea sided hale falling, I looked outside my port window and saw Mike in his cockpit, passing me.? I thought, why is Mike motoring during the strom.? I ended up suiting up in my storm gear and heading out to see what was going on and notice that Mike and Bill where both where they started and I was well behind them heading for the oyster beds.? I hauled in my anchor and motored back to where I started and reset my anchor.? Mike didn't like the idea of being downwind of me since my anchor hasn't proved too reliable, so he moved.? During the second squall Sunday, I stayed topside just to make sure.? At that point, I decided that my?next upgrade will be?a 4 kg bruce!!!? Don't worry Mike, next time I will come prepared!!! > >The cruise was nice and once again very educational.? The weather pushed me well outside my comfort zone, but the Monty was well within her elements.? The only short coming I have found?with my M-boat so far is the operator!!? She can take it, I can't.? > >Skip Campion >M-15 #210 >"Wild Guppy" > >P.S.? >For anyone wishing to attend a 'Doug Kelch" cruise.......remember to bring your hiking boats!!!!? You never know how many miles of country road you will be walking.? :-) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> >To: Montgomery <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 8:14 am >Subject: M_Boats: tickles my soul > > > >plagerized lyrics from the song "bubbly" > >It tickles my soul, from the bottom of my toes to the tip of my nose - what is >it? > >Seeing the fleet of 6 Montgomery boats under sail in nice winds on the >Cheasapeake cruise last week - 2 with white sail, 3 with tanbark, and 1 with >egyptian cotton - a very pretty sight. We bring our own scenery. > >We saw very few boats out in this remote section of the Potomac river (4 miles >wide) and its tributaries - Yecomico River. > >Another great criuse with good winds but unstable weather.: > Friday winds were 10 - 15 with gusts to 25, >Saturday tornado watch, winds 15 -20 with gusts to 30, Thunderstrom Saturday >night with gust to 35 and very close lighting >Sunday winds 8 - 12 with a vicious line squall/thunderstorm at 50kts (NOAA wind >speed at Lewisetta VA near where we were) >Monday winds were 12 - 18 but against the current so was bit bouncy. > >It sure was nice to have a good anchor. > >Al Williams had an 11lb bruce down and we had an bear of a time getting it out >of the mud the next morning. We had to tie a line on to the chain and winch it >to the max and it still would not come free. Had to get the winched line as >tight as we could and then shift the weight to the opposite side. > >Anyway - another great cruise and feeling bubbly :-) > >Doug Kelch >M15 #310 >"Seas the Day" > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: tickles my soul
by Bill Riker 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

For the record, whild Skip was drifting by, I was being held by a 2kg (4.4lb) Claw anchor on ancient 1/4" line. While carrying a full cockpit length boom tent. Not that I recommend it. The boom tent idea was Stoopid, and trusting my little anchor in those conditions showed overconidence. But it held!! That little sucker really does the job. On the plus side, I did have my 5kg Claw in the cockpit ready to deploy if necessary. It was a great cruise, with good sailing every day and new and old friends to share it with. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- >From: wcampion(a)aol.com >Sent: Jun 4, 2008 10:39 AM >To: doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com, montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: M_Boats: tickles my soul > >Doug et al, > >You missed the adventures of Bill, Mike and myself on Sunday evening.? It sure would have been?nice to have a good anchor!!??? My Danforth?once again had me drifting. ?When?the wind shifted, my anchor released and did not reset, hence I drifted.? At one time during the first squall with the pea sided hale falling, I looked outside my port window and saw Mike in his cockpit, passing me.? I thought, why is Mike motoring during the strom.? I ended up suiting up in my storm gear and heading out to see what was going on and notice that Mike and Bill where both where they started and I was well behind them heading for the oyster beds.? I hauled in my anchor and motored back to where I started and reset my anchor.? Mike didn't like the idea of being downwind of me since my anchor hasn't proved too reliable, so he moved.? During the second squall Sunday, I stayed topside just to make sure.? At that point, I decided that my?next upgrade will be?a 4 kg bruce!!!? Don't worry Mike, next time I will come prepared!!! > >The cruise was nice and once again very educational.? The weather pushed me well outside my comfort zone, but the Monty was well within her elements.? The only short coming I have found?with my M-boat so far is the operator!!? She can take it, I can't.? > >Skip Campion >M-15 #210 >"Wild Guppy" > >P.S.? >For anyone wishing to attend a 'Doug Kelch" cruise.......remember to bring your hiking boats!!!!? You never know how many miles of country road you will be walking.? :-) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> >To: Montgomery <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 8:14 am >Subject: M_Boats: tickles my soul > > > >plagerized lyrics from the song "bubbly" > >It tickles my soul, from the bottom of my toes to the tip of my nose - what is >it? > >Seeing the fleet of 6 Montgomery boats under sail in nice winds on the >Cheasapeake cruise last week - 2 with white sail, 3 with tanbark, and 1 with >egyptian cotton - a very pretty sight. We bring our own scenery. > >We saw very few boats out in this remote section of the Potomac river (4 miles >wide) and its tributaries - Yecomico River. > >Another great criuse with good winds but unstable weather.: > Friday winds were 10 - 15 with gusts to 25, >Saturday tornado watch, winds 15 -20 with gusts to 30, Thunderstrom Saturday >night with gust to 35 and very close lighting >Sunday winds 8 - 12 with a vicious line squall/thunderstorm at 50kts (NOAA wind >speed at Lewisetta VA near where we were) >Monday winds were 12 - 18 but against the current so was bit bouncy. > >It sure was nice to have a good anchor. > >Al Williams had an 11lb bruce down and we had an bear of a time getting it out >of the mud the next morning. We had to tie a line on to the chain and winch it >to the max and it still would not come free. Had to get the winched line as >tight as we could and then shift the weight to the opposite side. > >Anyway - another great cruise and feeling bubbly :-) > >Doug Kelch >M15 #310 >"Seas the Day" > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Perhaps the M-17 is not for me... M-15?
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

Andrei, I've lost track of your statement of your situation, location, and sailing experience, but I'll just say that before I had the M15 I owned a Rascal, an open 15-footer that was the most fun I ever had sailing, and I've cried tears in many beers wishing I hadn't traded her in on the Montgomery. (That is, I wish I still had both of them.) I recently saw a Rascal for sale on a Madison WI Craigslist listing, at a super price, but I chained myself to a tree for three days and drove a spike through my foot into a root, and the opportunity passed. (I'm in Stillwater, Minnesota, so it was do-able, though the spike presented a problem.) So when I was looking in '85 to upgrade to a more young-toddlers-friendly boat (that is, with a cabin for protection from the elements), I really wasn't thinking of going with a lateral move to another 15-footer. I mean, why bother? But what I did know was that I was going to be a trailer sailor with this boat, and that finally settled the issue. I wanted to be in the water as fast as possible, especially since my sailing opportunities were mostly evenings or half-days. No matter the routine of getting the mast up and everything else prepped, and no matter the fact that a given person COULD get a given 17 into the water in good time, the trump card shows after you've done it 40 or 60 times. That's when ease of set-up really starts to be appreciated. The routine is efficient by then, but it isn't why you left the house with a sailing craft on the trailer behind you. Spec out the 15 and against the 17 and you'll see (as I'm sure you already have) that you're not just talking about a boat that's 2 feet longer. The two are in a completely different class. I'm sailing inland lakes, launching at busy public ramps, and once I know how the standing rigging goes together, I don't want a lot of refresher hours. I want to sail. The 15 has been gloriously sufficient for the 24 years I've had "Shenanigans." Even at a weight far less than the 17, she lets me know she's behind my Tahoe, so I'm rather grateful it isn't a bigger, heavier boat back there, because I sail all over the state. Now that gas is approaching $4, the Tahoe is parked except to pull the boat or haul a kayak and camping gear. She's spent a few seasons in slips, and if that had been the rule, then I'd easily have opted for a 17. But I'm also dealing right now with damage done by having her in a slip year-round for three years in Austin, Texas. The brutal temps, high humidity, the warm water, or who knows what, gremlins, finally got to the hull, and just tonight I've hoisted it up in a sling out in the shed, in preparation for filling some gelcoat blisters and applying the first-ever bottom paint to her. She's airborne (I intend to post photos of the flight), and will be "like new" (better in some ways) in three weeks or so, unless this wet, stormy spring persists, as it will now this week, creating humidity that troubles the epoxy and painting processes. If you want to get out and sail and have a blast, effortlessly and over and over, find an M15. It FEELS like a much bigger boat than it is, and yet it's FUN like a smaller boat, one that tests your skill, teaches you to sail and not just go along for the ride, and rewards attention given to everything from human ballast in a breeze, to the imminent arrival of light air above cat's paws. Final consideration -- I wanted a big boat, but I wanted to sail a lot, and I couldn't do both, given my inheritance (zip). So I sailed dozens of seasons, weekend after weekend, over two dozen years now, with the kids from infants to college students, in the M15, and when I wanted a bigger experience, I chartered up on Superior, taking out boats that cost their owners a fortune to acquire and another to maintain and keep in a slip. It's a perfect balance. Steven Sweeney M15 #324 (being recommissioned for another 24 years) Stillwater, Minnesota ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: Perhaps the M-17 is not for me... M-15?
by Saltm17＠aol.com 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

Andrei, You really don't need two people to rig an M17. I'm 64 years old and weigh a lot more than I should, and I don't have any trouble rigging my M17. It does take longer to rig an M17 than an M15 but the difference isn't that much. How fast you can right and launch your boat depends a lot more on how organized you are than on the differences in the two boats. If I were organized (as unlikely as being hit by a meteorite) to go day sailing, ie not having to put alot of stores on board, I can reasonably expect to rig and launch my M17 well within 30 minutes. I usually take a lot longer because most of my trips are for 5 days to two weeks and there is a lot more to put onboard and organize (there's that nasty word again). There may be other, more appropriate reasons for choosing the M15 over the M17, but in my opinion rigging and launching time shouldn't be one of them. John Miss T M17 # 372 ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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