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Re: M_Boats: Easy Boot stripe on M-17
by Michael Ray Wisely 12 Nov '08

12 Nov '08

Hey Jeff and all. Sorry for the misleading title. There seems to be no easy way to do a boot stripe on lapstrake. I did have the original gelcoat stripe to go off of, which helped, but I went around with a razor knife and some of the "bendy", easy pull painters tape and painstakingly taped strake to strake. I wanted to move the stripe up a little so I started by putting tape under the existing line then following with 1/2 inch tape on top of it (I duplicated this at the top). The taping took about 2 hours, but the results were well worth it. There might be an easier way, but I have never found one in many years of searching. Good luck, Michael Ray Molly M M-17 #383

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Re: M_Boats: History of the M17
by RKGraves 12 Nov '08

12 Nov '08

Dan, and for those shopping for an M17, Here is as summary of the history of the M17, best I know. The early M17's (from the mid-70's through about 1983) have a cast iron centerboard and used the original deck mold which has a different non-skid pattern, recessed forward hatch, lower cabin top, and single drain in the rear-floor of the cockpit which exits below the waterline. These boats also have a very nice aluminum toe rail, but no Genoa track. These early M17's used a transom cutout for the outboard motor. In 1983 a newer deck was introduced (same deck mold as is being used today, except for the cockpit drain configuration). The new deck incorporated a different cockpit locker configuration of port - starboard - and transom wet locker, two cockpit drains (these feed first into the wet locker and then exit below the waterline, + 2 drains above waterline in the transom). I believe in 1983 there was a fiberglass pan added to the bow section of the inside of the hull to create several flat surfaces for storage. The aluminum toe rail was replaced with a teak toe rail. Also, the windows were changed to frameless smoked fiberglass, in lieu of earlier framed glass(?) windows. Many of this vintage also came with a fixed fiberglass motor mount. In 1988 (roughly at hull #400) the centerboard was changed from 220 lbs cast iron to the same centerboard as is used in the M15, weighing 40 lbs. The M15 is comprised of a fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich and does not require a winch to raise and lower. Also, the ballast was increased to compensate for the change in centerboard weight, and the ballast was changed from steel punching to lead. These changes took places over several boats. For example; our 1988 M17 #410 has the fiberglass centerboard but steel punching ballast. This run continued until Jerry quit building boats in roughly 1994. In the Jerry built boats three interiors were available; 3-berth galley model, 4-berth model, and 3-1/2 berth model. On the galley and 3-1/2 berth models the port cockpit locker opens to the interior of the boat. On the 4-berth model none of the lockers open into the interior of the boat. Since the year 2000 Bob has been building new M17's. To my knowledge these use the same deck and hull molds as the 1983 and newer boats. From the new M17's I've seen I have noted these changes. The below waterline cockpit drains were eliminated and replaced with through the transom above waterline drains, the old style mast-section compression post was replaced with a stainless steel tube, the forestay is moved back slightly off the bow to allow room for a nav light, gelcoat boot and sheer stripes were replaced with vinyl decal stripes, and the spreaders are now fixed instead of folding. The outboard bracket was upgraded to a 4cycle ready adjustable mount. And the forward vberth cushion is 1 piece instead of the 2 used on earlier boats. I've seen pictures of new M17's being built with oval/round opening cabin windows, nice touch! Each model has its own advantages and disadvantages, but all are great boats! Bill's photo site has great pictures of all the variations http://www.msogphotosite.com/index.html , and http://sailing.bobstaco.com has some detailed pictures of the rebuild of our 1988 4-berth model. Randy G. ________________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde [gmhyde1(a)mac.com] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:47 PM To: danielarichman(a)gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Removing M17 Galley Dan: Are you aware of the two major different centerboard designs in the M17? The earlier cast iron board and the later fiberglass board and greater fixed ballast? Randy Graves can give you the transition date. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Dan Richman wrote: > I am in very much the market for a Montgomery 17, but in two weeks of > intensive searching have turned up only models that have the galley. > Today, > having actually sat inside an M17 for the first time, my wife and I > realized > the galley model will not accommodate us. There is simply no room > for two > people to sit face-to-face, and we consider that a requirement. > > That leaves us three choices: (1) continuing to search for a non- > galley > model, (2) order a new boat, or (3) remove the galley from a galley > model. > > I would welcome this group's opinions as the wisdom, feasibility and > cost of > of Option 3: removing the galley from a galley model. > > I imagine replacing the galley assembly with a horizontal length of > fiberglass that would mirror the starboard side in appearance and > function. > > I've found nothing in the archives about this. If I've missed a > thread, > forgive me. > > Thanks very much for your collective wisdom. > > Dan and Jo Marie Richman > Shoreline (Seattle), Wash. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 18
by Joseph Balla 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

Andrei... Thanks for the compliment on "Seranita". To answer your question, I re-cut new companionway hatchboards from a 4' x 8' piece of marine teak plywood. I simply used the old hatches as a template. Some hardwood vendors will sell you a smaller piece which you should inquire about since the 4'x8' will leave you quite a bit. Of course, you can use the left over for other projects. I prefer Cetol to varnish now that they have come out with their "natural teak" color. I use three coats of "natural teak", sanding lightly between coats, and then 3 coats of Cetol "High Gloss", again, sanding lightly between coats. The results are great. If you look on the Trailer Sailor forum at my post for a Bayfield 25 that I am selling, you will see a photo of the Bowsprit that has fresh Cetol. I think all would agree, that it looks amazing and very traditional. Enjoy... Best, JB On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:34 AM, < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16 (Andrei Caldararu) > 2. Re: Rust stain (JDavies104(a)aol.com) > 3. Re: Rust stain (Dick Straubel) > 4. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (Joe Murphy) > 5. T shirts and Sweat Shirts (Nebwest2(a)aol.com) > 6. Suggestion on graphics (kdocter(a)bellsouth.net) > 7. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (Gary M Hyde) > 8. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (Bill Kaiser) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:17:25 -0600 > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <DC5AF569-C6F4-458F-B6D9-33578A5358C5(a)math.wisc.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi JB, > > your boat looks absolutely gorgeous, I'll try to find a local sign > maker and do what you did. > > Can I ask you what did you use to recoat the wood to give it the nice > golden color, and especially how did you repair the hatch boards? > > Thanks, > > Andrei. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:50:24 EST > From: JDavies104(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rust stain > To: sparsons(a)canby.com, montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <c6b.44c74b00.36499620(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Thanks for all the suggestions on rust removal. I bought a can of ZUD, > which lists oxalic acid as an active ingredient, and have some bleach-based > toilet > bowl cleaner here at home. I'm off today to try them out (unless I end up > going sailing, which is quite likely). > > Rick > > > ************** > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other Holiday needs. Search Now. > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt… > from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:29:46 -0800 (PST) > From: Dick Straubel <dicknatta(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rust stain > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <765880.74673.qm(a)web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Barkeeper's Friend (at Walmart in gold cardboard cylinder can) also contain > oxalic acid.? Works like?a charm on my Monty. > > --- On Mon, 11/10/08, JDavies104(a)aol.com <JDavies104(a)aol.com> wrote: > > From: JDavies104(a)aol.com <JDavies104(a)aol.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rust stain > To: sparsons(a)canby.com, montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 7:50 AM > > Thanks for all the suggestions on rust removal. I bought a can of ZUD, > which lists oxalic acid as an active ingredient, and have some bleach-based > toilet > bowl cleaner here at home. I'm off today to try them out (unless I end up > > going sailing, which is quite likely). > > Rick > > > ************** > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other Holiday needs. Search Now. > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt… > from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:28:31 -0500 > From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <FA0DF0777E7F48C49B4D3977AD728570@D72VSMG1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > You can contact Bob via the Montgomery Boats web site at > montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com > > I have the dark green sheer stripe which I think looks good with the cream > color. > Joe > Seafrog M-17 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrei Caldararu" <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:46 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes > > > > Do you know if Bob is following this list? Or should I e-mail him > > directly? I can't use his guy, unless I'm willing to pay for his $2000 > > airplane ticket to Wisconsin... > > > > Andrei. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:43:10 EST > From: Nebwest2(a)aol.com > Subject: M_Boats: T shirts and Sweat Shirts > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <cd9.40f92cc9.3649a27e(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Joe, > > I'm sorry, but the order for the shirts is already in and being processed > at > this point, so I can't add any other items to it. I did get 2- XL short > sleeve and 2- xl long sleeve shirts for myself. If one of those will work > for ya > let me know off list and I can re-allocate one of them to you. > > To everyone else that ordered shirts..they are in the process of being > printed and as soon as they are ready to go I will stuff the boxes that are > sitting here beside me already addressed, and get them sent out to ya. > > Thanks, > > Sean > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt… > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:39:05 +0000 > From: kdocter(a)bellsouth.net > Subject: M_Boats: Suggestion on graphics > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > < > 111020081639.16193.491863A9000B199800003F4122216128369B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF9D0A9B0C010B05(a)att.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > My M-15 came with a little stripe about one inch tall in 1981. It was red > and I wanted the new stripe to match my new cushions which I changed to > blue. I was on a trip in Destin and wandered in to a West Marine store. > They sold me a 2" blue vinyl roll 50' long which was plenty to do my M-15. > Looks great. > > Any decent auto graphics shop can custom make your logo. I'd go local if I > was shopping for graphics. There are just to many choices locally to > ignore. If you have a problem, you can drop by and they should take care of > you. > > Kendall, Bossier City, LA > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:44:03 -0800 > From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <8282B877-3773-483B-98F5-CBCF778852FB(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Andrei: > I'd try emailing Bob directly. > And I have an ivory (cream) M17 with a blue stripe. > > --Gary Hyde > 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' > > > On Nov 9, 2008, at 6:46 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote: > > > Do you know if Bob is following this list? Or should I e-mail him > > directly? I can't use his guy, unless I'm willing to pay for his $2000 > > airplane ticket to Wisconsin... > > > > Andrei. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:33:59 -0700 > From: "Bill Kaiser" <whkaiser(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <51e5702f0811101133v6402f602l5a4edcbb848f83c5(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > You can buy vinyl decal in just about any color at the local sign shop my > boat came with one on it. But be careful around the dock the vinyl is very > easy > to nick and then the cream color shows through. > > Bill M-15 # 631 Phoenix > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> wrote: > > > Andrei: > > I'd try emailing Bob directly. > > And I have an ivory (cream) M17 with a blue stripe. > > > > --Gary Hyde > > 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' > > > > > > On Nov 9, 2008, at 6:46 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote: > > > > > Do you know if Bob is following this list? Or should I e-mail him > > > directly? I can't use his guy, unless I'm willing to pay for his $2000 > > > airplane ticket to Wisconsin... > > > > > > Andrei. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 18 > ************************************************ >

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Suggestion on graphics
by kdocter＠bellsouth.net 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

My M-15 came with a little stripe about one inch tall in 1981. It was red and I wanted the new stripe to match my new cushions which I changed to blue. I was on a trip in Destin and wandered in to a West Marine store. They sold me a 2" blue vinyl roll 50' long which was plenty to do my M-15. Looks great. Any decent auto graphics shop can custom make your logo. I'd go local if I was shopping for graphics. There are just to many choices locally to ignore. If you have a problem, you can drop by and they should take care of you. Kendall, Bossier City, LA >

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T shirts and Sweat Shirts
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

Joe, I'm sorry, but the order for the shirts is already in and being processed at this point, so I can't add any other items to it. I did get 2- XL short sleeve and 2- xl long sleeve shirts for myself. If one of those will work for ya let me know off list and I can re-allocate one of them to you. To everyone else that ordered shirts..they are in the process of being printed and as soon as they are ready to go I will stuff the boxes that are sitting here beside me already addressed, and get them sent out to ya. Thanks, Sean **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt… -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

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Re: M_Boats: Rust stain
by JDavies104＠aol.com 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

Thanks for all the suggestions on rust removal. I bought a can of ZUD, which lists oxalic acid as an active ingredient, and have some bleach-based toilet bowl cleaner here at home. I'm off today to try them out (unless I end up going sailing, which is quite likely). Rick ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt… from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16
by Joe Balla 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

Andrei.... My 1978 M-17, "Seranita" is also a cream colored hull. During my restoration, I removed the old graphics and had a local sign maker make me a new stripe and name banner. As I recall, the vinyl graphics package cost around $250. A bargain in my book as this simple change completely modernized my boat. I am sure you can find a local sign shop that can do the same for you at a reasonable cost. These vinyl graphics are computer generated and very easily created these days. Here is a side shot of Seranita's vinyl graphics: http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/sailingsd/Montgomery%2017%20Trailer /Dayof1stLaunch1.jpg Have fun...by the way...just about any color will compliment that beautiful cream colored hull... Best, JB "Seranita" 1978 M-17 / San Diego -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 6:46 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Removing M17 Galley (Gary M Hyde) 2. Re: History of the M17 (RKGraves) 3. Vinyl decal stripes (Andrei Caldararu) 4. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (W David Scobie) 5. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (Gary M Hyde) 6. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (Andrei Caldararu) 7. Re: Vinyl decal stripes (Andrei Caldararu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:47:11 -0800 From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Removing M17 Galley To: danielarichman(a)gmail.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <C3EF4C69-DF5B-446D-A207-55D051617570(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Dan: Are you aware of the two major different centerboard designs in the M17? The earlier cast iron board and the later fiberglass board and greater fixed ballast? Randy Graves can give you the transition date. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Dan Richman wrote: > I am in very much the market for a Montgomery 17, but in two weeks of > intensive searching have turned up only models that have the galley. > Today, > having actually sat inside an M17 for the first time, my wife and I > realized the galley model will not accommodate us. There is simply no > room for two people to sit face-to-face, and we consider that a > requirement. > > That leaves us three choices: (1) continuing to search for a non- > galley model, (2) order a new boat, or (3) remove the galley from a > galley model. > > I would welcome this group's opinions as the wisdom, feasibility and > cost of of Option 3: removing the galley from a galley model. > > I imagine replacing the galley assembly with a horizontal length of > fiberglass that would mirror the starboard side in appearance and > function. > > I've found nothing in the archives about this. If I've missed a > thread, forgive me. > > Thanks very much for your collective wisdom. > > Dan and Jo Marie Richman > Shoreline (Seattle), Wash. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:24:35 -0800 From: RKGraves <RKGraves(a)cite.nic.edu> Subject: Re: M_Boats: History of the M17 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>, "danielarichman(a)gmail.com" <danielarichman(a)gmail.com> Message-ID: <A7875813589AE240854B10B3891F2F777021825FD9(a)Exch1.cite.nic.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dan, and for those shopping for an M17, Here is as summary of the history of the M17, best I know. The early M17's (from the mid-70's through about 1983) have a cast iron centerboard and used the original deck mold which has a different non-skid pattern, recessed forward hatch, lower cabin top, and single drain in the rear-floor of the cockpit which exits below the waterline. These boats also have a very nice aluminum toe rail, but no Genoa track. These early M17's used a transom cutout for the outboard motor. In 1983 a newer deck was introduced (same deck mold as is being used today, except for the cockpit drain configuration). The new deck incorporated a different cockpit locker configuration of port - starboard - and transom wet locker, two cockpit drains (these feed first into the wet locker and then exit below the waterline, + 2 drains above waterline in the transom). I believe in 1983 there was a fiberglass pan added to the bow section of the inside of the hull to create several flat surfaces for storage. The aluminum toe rail was replaced with a teak toe rail. Also, the windows were changed to frameless smoked fiberglass, in lieu of earlier framed glass(?) windows. Many of this vintage also came with a fixed fiberglass motor mount. In 1988 (roughly at hull #400) the centerboard was changed from 220 lbs cast iron to the same centerboard as is used in the M15, weighing 40 lbs. The M15 is comprised of a fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich and does not require a winch to raise and lower. Also, the ballast was increased to compensate for the change in centerboard weight, and the ballast was changed from steel punching to lead. These changes took places over several boats. For example; our 1988 M17 #410 has the fiberglass centerboard but steel punching ballast. This run continued until Jerry quit building boats in roughly 1994. In the Jerry built boats three interiors were available; 3-berth galley model, 4-berth model, and 3-1/2 berth model. On the galley and 3-1/2 berth models the port cockpit locker opens to the interior of the boat. On the 4-berth model none of the lockers open into the interior of the boat. Since the year 2000 Bob has been building new M17's. To my knowledge these use the same deck and hull molds as the 1983 and newer boats. From the new M17's I've seen I have noted these changes. The below waterline cockpit drains were eliminated and replaced with through the transom above waterline drains, the old style mast-section compression post was replaced with a stainless steel tube, the forestay is moved back slightly off the bow to allow room for a nav light, gelcoat boot and sheer stripes were replaced with vinyl decal stripes, and the spreaders are now fixed instead of folding. The outboard bracket was upgraded to a 4cycle ready adjustable mount. And the forward vberth cushion is 1 piece instead of the 2 used on earlier boats. I've seen pictures of new M17's being built with oval/round opening cabin windows, nice touch! Each model has its own advantages and disadvantages, but all are great boats! Bill's photo site has great pictures of all the variations http://www.msogphotosite.com/index.html , and http://sailing.bobstaco.com has some detailed pictures of the rebuild of our 1988 4-berth model. Randy G. ________________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde [gmhyde1(a)mac.com] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:47 PM To: danielarichman(a)gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Removing M17 Galley Dan: Are you aware of the two major different centerboard designs in the M17? The earlier cast iron board and the later fiberglass board and greater fixed ballast? Randy Graves can give you the transition date. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Dan Richman wrote: > I am in very much the market for a Montgomery 17, but in two weeks of > intensive searching have turned up only models that have the galley. > Today, > having actually sat inside an M17 for the first time, my wife and I > realized the galley model will not accommodate us. There is simply no > room for two people to sit face-to-face, and we consider that a > requirement. > > That leaves us three choices: (1) continuing to search for a non- > galley model, (2) order a new boat, or (3) remove the galley from a > galley model. > > I would welcome this group's opinions as the wisdom, feasibility and > cost of of Option 3: removing the galley from a galley model. > > I imagine replacing the galley assembly with a horizontal length of > fiberglass that would mirror the starboard side in appearance and > function. > > I've found nothing in the archives about this. If I've missed a > thread, forgive me. > > Thanks very much for your collective wisdom. > > Dan and Jo Marie Richman > Shoreline (Seattle), Wash. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:10:39 -0600 From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> Subject: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <4E0BBF1C-410B-45DE-B56F-A7C48A44C8CF(a)math.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Hi all, my 1982 M-17 has no sheer stripe, and I was thinking of adding one. Do you know where I could buy a decal one, perhaps with the name and the "Montgomery 17" logo on it? Does Bob Eeg sell them? That would make my life much simpler than trying to paint the name on the boat! (But much more complicated because I need to choose a color... decisions, decisions. What color goes well with a cream colored hull?) Thanks, Andrei. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:37:25 -0800 (PST) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <586662.15612.qm(a)web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 andrei: ? i'm partial to blue ... see SCRED's www. ? ? dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred' --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: my 1982 M-17 has no sheer stripe ... What color goes well with a cream colored hull?) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:41:24 -0800 From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <EABCDDC5-5907-4E3F-9C05-9B6E78FB51E0(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Bob Eeg hire a guy who puts to sheer stripe color of your choice on the boat in a matter of minutes. He uses self-stick vinyl tape. He is I think a sign maker in his other life. Also, Bob uses a vinyl decal for the "Montgomery 17". Contact Bob. He can help. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' On Nov 9, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote: > Hi all, > > my 1982 M-17 has no sheer stripe, and I was thinking of adding one. Do > you know where I could buy a decal one, perhaps with the name and the > "Montgomery 17" logo on it? Does Bob Eeg sell them? That would make > my life much simpler than trying to paint the name on the boat! (But > much more complicated because I need to choose a color... decisions, > decisions. What color goes well with a cream colored hull?) > > Thanks, > > Andrei. > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:44:51 -0600 From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes To: wdscobie(a)yahoo.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <27ACA3BC-9035-4C1D-830D-D68994C031AF(a)math.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Blue is beautiful, but your boat is much whiter than mine; mine is a lot "cream"-ier; the waterline stripe is *brown* (not a very nice color, I'd say, but what can I do...) Here's a photo of it on the water http://www.math.wisc.edu/~andreic/SDIM0569_FULL.jpg Andrei. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:46:20 -0600 From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vinyl decal stripes To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <783868FB-2F49-43A1-A6F5-9949BD5DDBB4(a)math.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Do you know if Bob is following this list? Or should I e-mail him directly? I can't use his guy, unless I'm willing to pay for his $2000 airplane ticket to Wisconsin... Andrei. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 16 ************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
by treed＠communitycareinc.com 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

Thanks Jim...Tony E. Tony Reed -----Original Message----- From: James Poulakis <picfo(a)comcast.net> Subj: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17 Date: Sat Nov 8, 2008 10:03 am Size: 3K To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Hi Tony, The seacocks were an option when Bob built "Spirit" earlier this year but I decided not to have them installed. Instead I bought a couple of 1-1/4" "Flip Lock Drain Plugs" (West Marine #1919323) because: 1) They can be snatched out quickly if the cockpit gets does get filled. 2) They don't take up any room in the cockpit locker. 3) They need no maintenance. Also, the seacocks on M-17s are not thru-hulls - which means (if you're paranoid like me) you'll want to have a plug around for emergencies anyway. Jim Poulakis M-17 "Spirit" On Nov 7, 2008, at 3:23 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote: > Joe...I think the Gortex booties may be the best fix. I didn't notice > seacocks but I may have very well over looked them. I bought the boat > without ever seeing anything but pictures and I have to say, I > really do > like the boat! It is certainly well made. Regards, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Joe > Murphy > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:32 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17 > > Tony, > Did Bob install the seacocks for your cockpit drains? I have them > and when > they are opened I too get a little water but not 2 inches. The > only time I > had that much water was when I took a friend out and between the > two of us > we loaded the cockpit with 550 lbs. (He plays Santa in Beaufort > every year > so that's where the most weight comes from..) But by myself I get > a little > when sailiing. I can close the seacocks and stay perfectly dry, > but I open > them up when I leave it in the slip. I guess it's a trade off. If > the > cockpit floor was higher it would mean raising the center of > gravity when > the crew gets up and moves about. Keeping it lower means the crew > gets wet > feet. I'm getting Gortex booties for Christmas to wear with my > topsiders. > Let's hear what the experts say. > Joe > Seafrog > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed(a)communitycareinc.com> > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17 > > >> Arnold, >> >> I will check the loop in the drain hose. It seems the cockpit floor >> does not have enough slope to drain. The drain exit is about 2" >> above >> the water line with a motor on the back leaving about l" of water in >> the cockpit. >> When I take the motor off the cockpit it holds about 2" of water. >> It's >> actually collecting rain water and not shipping water which may be >> common on the M 17. Regards, Tony >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >> Arnold Sharpe >> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17 >> --- message truncated ---

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Rust stain
by JDavies104＠aol.com 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

I was scrubbing and otherwise cleaning the boat recently and placed a slightly rusty can of acetone on the cockpit seat. It was only there for a few minutes, but there is now a faint but noticeable rusty rectangle in spite of all my efforts with normal cleaners to get it off. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what would be effective? Thanks, Rick M-17 Lynne L ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt… olidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

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Removing M17 Galley
by Dan Richman 09 Nov '08

09 Nov '08

I am in very much the market for a Montgomery 17, but in two weeks of intensive searching have turned up only models that have the galley. Today, having actually sat inside an M17 for the first time, my wife and I realized the galley model will not accommodate us. There is simply no room for two people to sit face-to-face, and we consider that a requirement. That leaves us three choices: (1) continuing to search for a non-galley model, (2) order a new boat, or (3) remove the galley from a galley model. I would welcome this group's opinions as the wisdom, feasibility and cost of of Option 3: removing the galley from a galley model. I imagine replacing the galley assembly with a horizontal length of fiberglass that would mirror the starboard side in appearance and function. I've found nothing in the archives about this. If I've missed a thread, forgive me. Thanks very much for your collective wisdom. Dan and Jo Marie Richman Shoreline (Seattle), Wash.

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