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The Greater Forces have spoken
by Bill Lamica 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

Hi All, We have a volunteer who has graciously paid the entire amount needed to keep the Photo Site alive for the next 12 months. Never let it be said Bob Eeg is anything but caring and sharing. Thanks Bob! I think we went through this exercise once before when we were trying to figure out how to make four sites fit into one. And, now the problem is one larger with Franks new site. So, the problem is there and Bob bought us a year to consider how, or if, it is possible to fix. I am only one of the people whose work would need to be copied and replaced. I am only one of the websites that would need to be linked directly to the new site. I cannot speak for those other people. So I guess they need to be asked, and certainly not on the list, that sort of negotiations are private. That's not my job. Someone should be appointed. Are we collectively that organized? Anyway thanks go out to Bob, I know it is appreciated by a whole lot of folks. Bill

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2009 Havasu Pocket Cruiser's Poker Run
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

Yep, We are doing it again in February and I'd like to invite you to come get a winter sailing fix in with us here in Lake Havasu City, AZ. This event is a 3-4 day get together with a 2 day sail covering about 34 miles. One thing that is different then most trips, though, is this one is designed to appeal to the "Admirals". Bring her along. Overnights are at hotels on the water, warm rooms, bathrooms, restaurants, even bars if you choose! We'll have a little fun "poker run" with some prizes along the way. 15 boats/crews participated last year and we had a great time. Like to see more Montys show up this time. Last year we had 4. Here is the link to the webpage for the event including the photos and story of last year's deal...(ordeal???) hahaha. _http://havasumontgomerys.piczo.com/?g=40932457&cr=1_ (http://havasumontgomerys.piczo.com/?g=40932457&cr=1) Hope you'll consider joining us! Sean M23 "Dauntless" _www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com) **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?re… %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)

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Frank, what is your site?
by Flickasf＠aol.com 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

Hi Frank, I must have missed something. What is you site Frank? And good job Bob for donating for the site. It's good for members and good for you. It's a win win situation. Bert Zephyr, M 15, #365 ************** One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?re… .com/?optin=new-dp%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)

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New Montgomery Owners Site - maybe
by Frank Hagan 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

By way of introduction, I'm actually a Potter owner, but also a webmaster with a small hosting company. Had a used Monty 17 become available before my Potter 19, I would have been a Monty owner! So I have long been interested in the Montgomerys. I have been encouraged by some Montgomery owners to see if I could create a self-sustaining site similar to some of my other sites, such as http://messing-about.com, that would provide some of the benefits you are getting, but all in one spot. Bill had a notice on the MSOG photo site that encouraged websurfers to download the content prior to his closing the site. I downloaded the site, so I do have a copy of it on disk. That notice doesn't give me the right to republish his (or your) work, but it would give me access to the pictures and text if you give me permission to re-post them. Last night, I started creating a site at http://MontgomeryOwners.com It is still in the rough, initial stages, and only has a forum, event calendar, and bookstore. I'm planning to add a photo gallery that you can add your pictures to and caption yourself, articles such as those found on some of the other sites (copyrights permitting), a links page for linking your sites, and possibly personal "boat pages" -- where you can create a page on the site dedicated to your boat. There are a lot of features I can add if there's interest. If you'd like to have input on building the community, let me know. Either here, or by registering in the forums at http://montgomeryowners.com

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montgomeryowners.com web site
by twosailors＠att.net 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

I think it is a wonderful idea. Just went and registered myself. Excellent site Frank. Thanks. Michael M17 Pepperjack #652

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YouTube North Channel
by htmills＠zoominternet.net 19 Nov '08

19 Nov '08

A bit over a year ago (already?!) some of us spent some time cruising in the North Channel of Lake Huron. Here are a few videos on YouTube by non-Montgomery folks that show the area pretty nicely. This first one was shot from the little islet that was on the south side of the tiny weaving channel at the south end of South Benjamin Island (where that guy had his varnish spread out on the rocks) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqrL9sfHg0 North Channel scenery from a Catalina 27 with operatic singing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWQzVcNzjok <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWQzVcNzjok&feature=related> &feature=related Some footage from a small airplane of the LaCloche Mountains a bit east of where we were, over nearer Killarney (sound is just the plane engine) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDyABXYV1ck <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDyABXYV1ck&feature=related> &feature=related Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas

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Greater Forces
by Bill Lamica 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

Hi All, I am not ignoring the group, although it may seem like it. There are greater forces at work and more info about the Photo Site will likely be forthcoming very soon. Bill

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 37
by Joe Balla 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

Bill... You have done a fabulous job on the photo web site! I understand the change in circumstances for you and honor the time you have contributed in this endeavor which has clearly helped so many of us. I too am willing to donate money to try to keep this information available to all. However, I am wondering if there might be another solution as well? Not being much of a technofile (don't even know if that is a word...but you all get the point), I am wondering if the photos might be transferred to the Yahoo Groups that we already have in place for our owners database? I know other Yahoo groups that I belong to have photo file sections, and also data base sections for users to upload technical data, brochure copies...etc. Could this be possible? It would be a shame to lose the information and images that have been gathered, and like Andrei has previously posted, I am sure few of us have the ability nor the time to upload all the photos. However, as I said, I am more than willing to contribute to the funding of a solution. Many thanks, Bill for your tireless and clearly unheralded efforts! Best, JB "Seranita" 1978 M-17 Mission Bay Yacht Club San Diego -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:02 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 37 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Photo Site Closes December 15, 2008 (Andrei Caldararu) 2. (no subject) (kdocter(a)bellsouth.net) 3. Re: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water? (RKGraves) 4. Re: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water? (EinkaufR43(a)aol.com) 5. Re: (no subject) (Bill Lamica) 6. Re: (no subject) (Joe Murphy) 7. Re: (no subject) (jerry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:53:02 -0600 From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Photo Site Closes December 15, 2008 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <90473DC5-BB77-4D59-B15A-7930CAA40EF1(a)math.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello all, is there any way we could somehow save the data of the site in some sort of archive? It will take me too long to download the whole site one photo at a time, but if I got the whole archive I might be able to put it up somewhere on my own web site, so that it is not entirely lost. Andrei. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:04:33 +0000 From: kdocter(a)bellsouth.net Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <111720081504.492.492188010006358D000001EC22230680329B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A 0DBF9D0A9B0C010B05(a)att.net> Content-Type: text/plain Bill, What is the financial burden to maintain the site?I'd like to see it stay active. Any way that is possible? Kendall ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:45:01 -0800 From: RKGraves <RKGraves(a)cite.nic.edu> Subject: Re: M_Boats: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <A7875813589AE240854B10B3891F2F777039696EA2(a)Exch1.cite.nic.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ron, This past summer I used VS721 on the bottom on our M17. The boat was in a fresh water slip from May - Sept. We live in the Northern part of Idaho and our water temp is typically in the 50's for most of the summer, mid-60's for July and August. In prior years I did not put anything on the bottom for antifouling protection. Overall I was pleased with the results of VS721. I didn't stop bottom growth from happening (I do think it slowed it down) but it certainly made cleaning the bottom much easier as the end of the season. A little bit of VS721 goes a long ways. A 16oz bottle is enough for 4 applications below the water line. Randy Graves M17 #410 Post Falls, ID ________________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of EinkaufR43(a)aol.com [EinkaufR43(a)aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:55 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water? I'll be slipping my clean bottomed M-15 for some of next season on the improved but not pristine Saginaw River, near the mouth of the Saginaw Bay. That's Lake Huron to non-Great Lakes folks. My boat has no bottom paint, and I'm willing to expend some effort to keep it that way. If only to preserve my options for a while. . Something should be better than nothing. The supplier ads make it sound like they're made with hi-tech chemicals, but I'm forming the opinion they are pretty much just thick Canadian approved wax . Having studied up a bit, mostly at TrailerSailor, I find mixed reviews leading me to hold hopeful, but still somewhat minimal expectations of these two products: Aurora VS721 Bottom Coat, and Easy On Bottom Wax. Does anyone have fresh water experience with, or preference for, either of these products, or an alternative they'd like to share? I'm currently inclined to try the VS721, and have located a nearby dealer. It seems West may have Easy On. I'm following the awning/boom tent discussions, and plan to deploy something come spring. Finally, a thank you to Bill for his efforts! Ron Stanton, near Saginaw M-15 #249 **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redi r=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:51:42 EST From: EinkaufR43(a)aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water? To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <d59.31406274.3652fb1e(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Randy; Thanks! That's the first-hand report I'd hoped to receive! I expect our river is warmer, and gunkier, but it's worth a try. Ron, in Michigan M-15 #249 In a message dated 11/17/2008 10:45:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, RKGraves(a)cite.nic.edu writes: Ron, This past summer I used VS721 on the bottom on our M17. The boat was in a fresh water slip from May - Sept. We live in the Northern part of Idaho and our water temp is typically in the 50's for most of the summer, mid-60's for July and August. In prior years I did not put anything on the bottom for antifouling protection. Overall I was pleased with the results of VS721. I didn't stop bottom growth from happening (I do think it slowed it down) but it certainly made cleaning the bottom much easier as the end of the season. A little bit of VS721 goes a long ways. A 16oz bottle is enough for 4 applications below the water line. Randy Graves M17 #410 Post Falls, ID ________________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of EinkaufR43(a)aol.com [EinkaufR43(a)aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:55 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water? I'll be slipping my clean bottomed M-15 for some of next season on the improved but not pristine Saginaw River, near the mouth of the Saginaw Bay. That's Lake Huron to non-Great Lakes folks. My boat has no bottom paint, and I'm willing to expend some effort to keep it that way. If only to preserve my options for a while. . Something should be better than nothing. The supplier ads make it sound like they're made with hi-tech chemicals, but I'm forming the opinion they are pretty much just thick Canadian approved wax . Having studied up a bit, mostly at TrailerSailor, I find mixed reviews leading me to hold hopeful, but still somewhat minimal expectations of these two products: Aurora VS721 Bottom Coat, and Easy On Bottom Wax. Does anyone have fresh water experience with, or preference for, either of these products, or an alternative they'd like to share? I'm currently inclined to try the VS721, and have located a nearby dealer. It seems West may have Easy On. I'm following the awning/boom tent discussions, and plan to deploy something come spring. Finally, a thank you to Bill for his efforts! Ron Stanton, near Saginaw M-15 #249 **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redi r= htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redi r=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:17:38 -0800 From: "Bill Lamica" <billamicasr(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject) To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <3018b6c40811170917n1c356723q53ef9cf9c10ee00f(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, The cost to keep it published for the next 12 months will run right at $360.00. There would be no "what's new", "Donations" "Contact me" or "links" page. With my new project I'll have limited Internet use (E-mail) for the next year or maybe more. This means I wont be able to fix links. In addition; The site photo limit has been reached. In order to continue with more photos I would have to turn all of the Maintenance pages into PDF files. Or, open a sub-site (more money) linked from the current site. Either way, it's not doable. The site would remain pretty much as it is. Other ideas have been put forth. Who knows what will occur in the near future. Bill On 11/17/08, kdocter(a)bellsouth.net <kdocter(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > Bill, > What is the financial burden to maintain the site?I'd like to see it stay > active. > Any way that is possible? > Kendall > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:19:17 -0500 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject) To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <F35AF7FF45504DA287D60DC50B63D7B0@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original If it is a financial issue, I would be happy to chip in to keep the site going. Joe Seafrog M-17 ----- Original Message ----- From: <kdocter(a)bellsouth.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) > > > Bill, > What is the financial burden to maintain the site?I'd like to see it stay > active. > Any way that is possible? > Kendall > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:02:23 -0800 From: "jerry" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject) To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <83748444A5EF4BDDB57C492DA8689844@DDJ69SD1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original How about putting the pix on a CD? I'd be happy to buy one. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject) > If it is a financial issue, I would be happy to chip in to keep the site > going. > Joe > Seafrog M-17 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <kdocter(a)bellsouth.net> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:04 AM > Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) > > >> >> >> Bill, >> What is the financial burden to maintain the site?I'd like to see it stay >> active. >> Any way that is possible? >> Kendall >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1792 - Release Date: 11/16/2008 > 10:04 AM > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 37 ************************************************

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Photo Site Pics on CD
by Rick Langer 17 Nov '08

17 Nov '08

That's a good idea Jerry. I guess that's why you get the big bucks. I second that motion and would also be happy to buy a cd. Rick M15 #337 Bluebird

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Re: M_Boats: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water?
by EinkaufR43＠aol.com 17 Nov '08

17 Nov '08

Randy; Thanks! That's the first-hand report I'd hoped to receive! I expect our river is warmer, and gunkier, but it's worth a try. Ron, in Michigan M-15 #249 In a message dated 11/17/2008 10:45:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, RKGraves(a)cite.nic.edu writes: Ron, This past summer I used VS721 on the bottom on our M17. The boat was in a fresh water slip from May - Sept. We live in the Northern part of Idaho and our water temp is typically in the 50's for most of the summer, mid-60's for July and August. In prior years I did not put anything on the bottom for antifouling protection. Overall I was pleased with the results of VS721. I didn't stop bottom growth from happening (I do think it slowed it down) but it certainly made cleaning the bottom much easier as the end of the season. A little bit of VS721 goes a long ways. A 16oz bottle is enough for 4 applications below the water line. Randy Graves M17 #410 Post Falls, ID ________________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of EinkaufR43(a)aol.com [EinkaufR43(a)aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:55 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water? I'll be slipping my clean bottomed M-15 for some of next season on the improved but not pristine Saginaw River, near the mouth of the Saginaw Bay. That's Lake Huron to non-Great Lakes folks. My boat has no bottom paint, and I'm willing to expend some effort to keep it that way. If only to preserve my options for a while. . Something should be better than nothing. The supplier ads make it sound like they're made with hi-tech chemicals, but I'm forming the opinion they are pretty much just thick Canadian approved wax . Having studied up a bit, mostly at TrailerSailor, I find mixed reviews leading me to hold hopeful, but still somewhat minimal expectations of these two products: Aurora VS721 Bottom Coat, and Easy On Bottom Wax. Does anyone have fresh water experience with, or preference for, either of these products, or an alternative they'd like to share? I'm currently inclined to try the VS721, and have located a nearby dealer. It seems West may have Easy On. I'm following the awning/boom tent discussions, and plan to deploy something come spring. Finally, a thank you to Bill for his efforts! Ron Stanton, near Saginaw M-15 #249 **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?red… htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?red… p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

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