November 2008 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

What do you think of Dovekies?
by Rick Langer 07 Nov '08

07 Nov '08

Thanks Connie, I'll follow your lead, at least at the internet level. My boat building projects are getting a bit backed up. I've been making "Greenland Paddles" and I'm just starting a tortured plywood double paddle canoe called "Sweet Dream" and I haven't yet finished the peapod, "Beach Pea" (started 3 boats ago), the boat for which I'm using your trailer and then there's that beautiful little catamaran the Doug Kelch told us about last week. But a yuloh is definitely on my list. Your for a fair tide, Rick > Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:01:46 -0500 > From: "chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net" <chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: What do you think of Dovekies? > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <4914666A.4080001(a)sbcglobal.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Rick, > > Yesterday I did some homework on "Yuloh" > > If you go to Google and enter "Yuloh" you will find 25 pages of yuloh > information: > > - History > > - Use: The Chinese have used yulohs for centuries to move heavy vessels > > - Construction > > - Problems with use > > One man shows how he built a yuloh and is moving his shanty dock with it. > > Another is using a yuloh as propulsion on a 5 ton 32 foot long > Herreshoff sloop > > Look for the > "bbs.trailersailors.com/forums/potter/index.cgl/noframes/read/75464" > where George Salley has photos of a yuloh he built and it's installation. > > The advantage of the yuloh over oars is that with the oars only half of > the stroke is expending useful energy to move the boat; the return > stroke is work but doesn't move the boat. With the yuloh, on the other > hand, each stroke is useful work to move the boat forward - there is no > waste motion. > > Have fun thinking about your new yuloh project. > > Connie

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M-10 Pics
by Jon Freeman 06 Nov '08

06 Nov '08

Hello all - As promised, here is a link to BEFORE pictures of the M-10 I am restoring. I sent some pics, but they didn't get through for some reason (too large?). She is pretty rough, but not out of the running in the least! Rig drawing was forensically created to help me in recreating the mast, which was AWOL. Jon Freeman Kent, WA M-10 BEFORE http://www.flickr.com/photos/30734059@N02/sets/72157608712537494/

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Some "Clinker" boat background
by David C. Patterson 06 Nov '08

06 Nov '08

Someone on the list may find this interesting. I found it in reading The Yankee Whaler by Clifford W. Ashley (of Ashley Knots fame) written about 1926. On p.59, writing about the history of the whaleboat, he notes that "All the early boats were clinker-built--that is to say, "lap-streak" or "strake," a construction which resembles clap-boarding." I hadn't run across the "lap-streak" spelling anywhere before. Then Ashley goes on, p.61, to reference sounds made by the clinker-built boat, because it created a warning for whales during the hunt. He writes "J. Templeman Brown, speaking of the "clinker"-boat, says that the name was formed in imitation of the sound made by the boat while going through the water. I have frequently noted this in a clinker-built tender." The bibliography lists Brown as having been published in 1887. Personally, I love the clinker sound, especially when sleeping at anchor, when it makes perfect going-to-sleep music, but also when my boat is moving from drifting to a faster speed as the wind picks up, for it calls me to alertness of the changing conditions. I'm glad the Montgomeries are clinker built, never-mind the bit about the hull being four times stronger, or the drier sailing. David Patterson Cloud Girl, M17 #393

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Re: M_Boats: Varnish/polyurethane/Cetol
by John R. Butler 06 Nov '08

06 Nov '08

Andrei, I've used top quality varnish, hardware store quality polyurethane and Cetol. Varnish quit first, 6 to 12 months, depending on latitude; polyurethane maybe 50% longer, Cetol much longer. I did the spars on my old Cape Cod Catboat several years ago, always in the sun, still look great. Just bought Cetol Marine Light, less orangy it says, haven't used it yet. But I think it may be the answer for me. Will haul my tiller and rudder off soon, strip, sand and do them with the Light. Check them on the web. Good luck. John R. Butler theoldcat(a)cox.net First M15 was Joy, '83 #264 Now sail Rejoyce!, '86 #361

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New to the list -- looking for a Montgomery 17
by Dan Richman 06 Nov '08

06 Nov '08

Hi, fellow M17 lovers-- I'm new to this list, having only recently discovered this great boat. I'm in the market for one now, and I'd drive some distance to get a good one. I'm most interested in the four-berth model, though my wife is adamant about having a galley. I'm determined to somehow adapt the four-berth model to suit her. The earlier model that had a galley built in doesn't allow face-to-face seating, another not-unreasonable requirement. We are planning a May trip at least into the San Juans, if not farther north. I'd like to circumnavigate Vancouver Island late next season. I've been sailing for two years and most recently helped deliver a 1964 Cal 40 from Oahu to Astoria, Ore. after the Pacific Cup Race. I'd very much appreciate any leads! My thanks to you all. Dan Richman Shoreline, Wash.

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Two questions
by Andrei Caldararu 06 Nov '08

06 Nov '08

Hi Monty sailors, I have some questions about wood care: 1) I am refinishing my original M-17 rudder. I removed the thick orange coating on it; it still seems to have some old orangey coat on it which is not peeling, so I was not going to remove it (it seems to be too much work), but rather sand it down to a rough state. The rudder has a couple of cracks in it, but which do not go through. I was going to fiberglass over the leading edge, the bottom edge, and over the cracks. Is this a good idea? What fiberglass system should I use? (E.g., West system, stuff from Home depot, etc.) Then I was going to coat everything in either Cetol or marine varnish. Which one is better? I'd rather not have to take care of it for a while from now. The boat is not kept in the water, although it will be making some week-long trips when it will stay for a week at a time in the water. 2) I am also working on an old 11 ft wood sailboat whose hull I got to bare wood. I would like to get a nice wood look, but not need to worry about rot in the future. I was thinking of putting one layer of fiberglass on top of it, and then using a marine varnish on top. What kind of fiberglass do you recommend? How thick? Where to buy it? What kind of varnish? How many coats? Where to buy it? Thanks, Andrei.

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Interesting small boat and cruise
by Doug Kelch 05 Nov '08

05 Nov '08

http://ideaintegrator.com/boats/tmc/default.html Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day"

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Yuloh links
by Mark Escovedo 05 Nov '08

05 Nov '08

Hello, Found these links, they may be useful http://www.simplicityboats.com/yulohpage2.html http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Stories/Sculling/scullthree.html Interesting alternative to a set of oars. Mark E M17F/D #103 AMY

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Re: M_Boats: Pepperjack Site is UP!
by twosailors＠att.net 04 Nov '08

04 Nov '08

Hi Danelle, I haven't had a chance to get her into the water yet. Maybe this weekend the weather will cooperate with me. I had a beautiful weekend this past weekend to put her all together but the water was as smooth as glass. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for wind this weekend. Michael > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:44:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Danelle Landis > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pepperjack Site is UP! > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: <225338.44372.qm(a)web51502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I really enjoyed your photos. It's interesting to compare a sparkling new M17 > to my 1983. I can't even begin to imagine a "new boat smell". Have you taken > her sailing yet? > > Danelle Landis > "Ceto" M17 #378 > Ketchikan, Alaska >

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Pepperjack Site is UP!
by Michael Akridge 04 Nov '08

04 Nov '08

Hello All, Well Pepperjack has arrived and I finally got her put together. What a neat little boat. Not enough can be said on the quality and workmanship that Bob Eeg puts into his boats. I also got Pepperjacks' web site up and running. Here is the link. www.svpepperjack.net <http://www.svpepperjack.net/> Enjoy, Michael M-17 Pepperjack #652

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