November 2008 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: Comfortable seating at anchor
by John R. Butler 16 Nov '08

16 Nov '08

Tim, I sympathize on the back issue. My orthopedist says my nearly-80-year- old back, in layman terms, is mush. I don't know how much usable beam there is in a M-17 cabin, but in my old Cape Cod Catboat I made my version of a recliner or hammock. Worked great for my back. Good Old Boat had it in their March/April '05 issue, if you have old ones. If not, I could scan and send it to you. Even has a photo of my exotic dancer granddaughter in it! Wish I had room in my Rejoyce! for one, but too narrow. Bummer. John R. Butler theoldcat(a)cox.net First M15 was Joy, '83 #264 Now sail Rejoyce!, '86 #361

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Trade M17 for M15
by Ken Wheeler 15 Nov '08

15 Nov '08

I've listed my M17 for sale (it's on the msog.org) site but I've been thinking of maybe trading it for a M15 of comparable value ($4500). Any of you M15 owners got "2 foot itis"? I'm on the west coast north of San Francisco. If interested email me at wesi(a)comcast.net . Lets talk. Ken from Northern California

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Honda Outboard
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 15 Nov '08

15 Nov '08

Bill, Where are you sailing at 6000ft in AZ??? Did you buy the 15 that was for sale in PHX on craigslist for the last few weeks? Sean M23 "Dauntless" Lake Havasu, AZ **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?red… p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

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Re: M_Boats: Honda Outboard
by JDavies104＠aol.com 15 Nov '08

15 Nov '08

Bill, What kind of autopilot do you have? Rick M-17 Lynne L. ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?red… 0001)

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Montgomery 17
by John Merrell 15 Nov '08

15 Nov '08

Greetings, We're researching various "pocket cruisers" to enhance our retirement years on the water. Having owned a Skipper 20 and a Morgan OutIsland 30, we've decided a trailerable boat is best for our needs. As you know, Montgomery has no dealership network, so unless you live in or near California, it's difficult to view one of these boats. We currently live in Mentone Alabama, but are in the process of selling our log cabin here and relocating to Decatur, on Lake Wheeler. With that said, we have been unsuccessful in locating an M17 owner within 150 miles of us. Then we found the MSOG site, which gave us hope. We are primarily interested in seeing one of these boats to determine if the cabin is going to be suitable for 3/4 nights on the hook. It would be nice if the manufacturers would show photos of people inside the cabins, sitting, laying down and displaying storage of items. But they generally show the boats' sailing with a happy crew in the cockpit, or static photos of the boat from different angles. We have also contacted the manufacturer with similiar questions; we're waiting for their response. However, it's always better to obtain information and comments from the owners'; they generally will provide you with an unbiased opinion. In closing, any information would be greatly appreciated. Any M17 owners' out there within a 150 miles of Mentone AL 35984 (or Chattanooga TN) who would be willing to let us take a quick look at their boat, that would be great! Early thanks for any help you can provide....John and Joy Merrell

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Honda Engine
by Jon Freeman 15 Nov '08

15 Nov '08

Mike Cater - I have the Honda 2 HP, and mine would die when I throttled down also. However, I adjusted the idle screw (NOT mixture), and now have an engine that idles great. The screw is under the cowling in the rear of the engine. There is a tube exiting the carburetor downward, and a slot right there. If you rotate the throttle, you will see the screw move in the slot. Tightening it up will advance the idle. DON'T adjust the screw that doesn't move with the throttle. I was pretty unhappy with my motor until I figured this out. Good luck! Jon Freeman Kent, WA M-10 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+jon=jonfreeman.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jon=jonfreeman.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:45 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 21 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Freebird (Ben Seall) 2. Re: Freebird (Tim Diebert) 3. Re: Freebird (larrypegg(a)aol.com) 4. Re: Freebird (Mark Escovedo) 5. Re: Loctite Blue on the boom (Blake Reimer) 6. Re: Loctite Blue on the boom (Joe Murphy) 7. Honda Outboard (Michael Carter) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:18:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Ben Seall <ben.seall(a)yahoo.co.uk> Subject: M_Boats: Freebird To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <492057.93848.qm(a)web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who gave us information about Freebird. We (Annemiek and I) have bought the boat. She is a little tired but we will sort her out and get her shinning again. We live on Roatan, Honduras. We delivered her around the island to our dock on a 30 odd mile trip on Sunday and she was a pleasure to sail. We havelots of little jobs to do on her, but we will get there! Thanks again for all of your input. Kind regards Ben ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:32:06 -0800 From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Freebird To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <003b01c9459c$9aa418b0$cfec4a10$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Wishes that you will enjoy your new boat in good health Ben. I am glad you contacted the list. I , much like others here I am sure, enjoyed the story and images about this rare and unusual M17. I envy your warm weather coordinates as well...... Cheers, Tim Diebert M17 PUFF.........Kelowna BC......where it is hard to convince a Canadian that global warming is a bad thing..... ------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ben Seall Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:19 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Freebird Hello, I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who gave us information about Freebird. We (Annemiek and I) have bought the boat. She is a little tired but we will sort her out and get her shinning again. We live on Roatan, Honduras. We delivered her around the island to our dock on a 30 odd mile trip on Sunday and she was a pleasure to sail. We havelots of little jobs to do on her, but we will get there! Thanks again for all of your input. Kind regards Ben _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1785 - Release Date: 11/13/2008 9:12 AM ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:08:58 -0500 From: larrypegg(a)aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Freebird To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <8CB13B8E29A0707-960-D3(a)mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm looking forward to hearing all about your adventure in "shinning up" Freebird.? Please keep us informed as to your progress.? Good luck fair winds At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 208 249 0538 -----Original Message----- From: Ben Seall <ben.seall(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 6:18 am Subject: M_Boats: Freebird Hello, I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who gave us information about Freebird. We (Annemiek and I) have bought the boat. She is a little tired but we will sort her out and get her shinning again. We live on Roatan, Honduras. We delivered her around the island to our dock on a 30 odd mile trip on Sunday and she was a pleasure to sail. We havelots of little jobs to do on her, but we will get there! Thanks again for all of your input. Kind regards Ben _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Escovedo <m17flushdeck_amy(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Freebird To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <715383.47951.qm(a)web46204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii WELCOME to the list Ben and Annemiek, I would be great to be able to view the progress you make shining up this rare bird. Please, if it's possible, adding images to your photopage as you complete all the little jobs. Fair Winds Mark E M17F/D #103 AMY ----- Original Message ---- From: Ben Seall <ben.seall(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:18:55 AM Subject: M_Boats: Freebird Hello, I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who gave us information about Freebird. We (Annemiek and I) have bought the boat. She is a little tired but we will sort her out and get her shinning again. We live on Roatan, Honduras. We delivered her around the island to our dock on a 30 odd mile trip on Sunday and she was a pleasure to sail. We havelots of little jobs to do on her, but we will get there! Thanks again for all of your input. Kind regards Ben _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) From: Blake Reimer <blkreimer(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Loctite Blue on the boom To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <558158.84662.qm(a)web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Myself, I am a big fan of STAINLESS STEEL pop rivets - the regular aluminum ones are prone to failure due to oxidation - especially in salt water.??Stainless is?a little harder to install (and drill out!) but very tenacious.?Make sure you size the length of the rivet properly so that the shank of the "nail" extends about 1/4" beyond the back side of?the boom thickness. ?If you?are using?a cheap, lightweight rivet gun, you risk breaking a handle, so be careful. Blake Reimer M-15 IOTA ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:19:38 -0500 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Loctite Blue on the boom To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <4C3F2484F6C04EE5A0DCC8EF4CAF89D8@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Another alternative is to use monel rivets. Monel is tops for marine use. Monel is probably the best metal that can be chosen for use in the marine industry. This alloy ranks fairly high on the Galvanic Scale and is comprised of two-thirds nickel and one-third copper. It possesses high tensile strength (slightly less than 300 series stainless steels), is very ductile, and it is highly resistant to corrosion from atmospheric and sea water exposure. One of monel's best qualities is that it is most corrosion resistant in moving sea water. There are a variety of parts that are comprised of monel for marine use such as annular-threaded nails, screws, nuts, bolts, props, prop shafts, even wire rope. Monel can pit if it is exposed to long-term stagnant salt water, but very, very rarely. One indication that monel is beginning to corrode is when a grayish-green patina forms on the metal's surface. However, as stated before, it is a rare occasion to see corrosion develop on monel. I use it for all my seizing wire applications as well. Joe Seafrog M-17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blake Reimer" <blkreimer(a)yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:20 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Loctite Blue on the boom Myself, I am a big fan of STAINLESS STEEL pop rivets - the regular aluminum ones are prone to failure due to oxidation - especially in salt water. Stainless is a little harder to install (and drill out!) but very tenacious. Make sure you size the length of the rivet properly so that the shank of the "nail" extends about 1/4" beyond the back side of the boom thickness. If you are using a cheap, lightweight rivet gun, you risk breaking a handle, so be careful. Blake Reimer M-15 IOTA _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:45:21 -0700 From: "Michael Carter" <carterconsultants(a)comcast.net> Subject: M_Boats: Honda Outboard To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <5C9DBD672A95467FBD31BA48C3966B74@D1HPNJ41> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Group, I have been lurking here for about a month, but decided it is time to introduce myself and dive in with an issue that has me a bit perplexed. BTW, I picked up my new 15 last weekend, and, if the weather cooperates, I'll be stepping the mast in my driveway for the first time on Sunday. I hope I can reconstruct Bob's instructions. If I can't, I now know where to turn for assistance. :-) Before I get around to the rigging business this weekend, however, I would like to seek your advice on an issue with the motor I just purchased. I know the Honda 2 hp is widely used in the Montgomery community, so, when I saw one advertised recently in the Denver area, I jumped on it. It had been very lightly used, the price was right, and it seems to generally run well. Now for the complicating factor: I live at 8K+ feet in the Rockies and will usually be sailing at altitudes between 5 and 8,000 feet. I read in the owner's manual that engine power, even if properly modified, will decrease approximately 3.5% per thousand feet of altitude. I expected that with a conventionally-carbureted engine, but when I called a local boat dealer that services Hondas, the technician I spoke with was not exactly encouraging about the Honda's ability to idle properly at altitude, even with the fuel mixture leaned out a bit. I did start the engine again yesterday, and while it runs fine at higher rpms, I did have trouble keeping it going when throttled down to the point where the clutch disengaged. So my question is..does anyone in the group sail at altitude and use this motor? Can you tell me what your experience has been and whether you have had to, and were successful in, adjusting the carb to achieve a smooth(er) idle. Did you feel you had lost a significant amount of power while underway? Or, if you just want to weigh in with your thoughts, I would certainly welcome them as well. Many thanks. Mike Carter M-15 "La Pequenita" ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 21 ************************************************

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Honda Outboard
by Michael Carter 14 Nov '08

14 Nov '08

Hello Group, I have been lurking here for about a month, but decided it is time to introduce myself and dive in with an issue that has me a bit perplexed. BTW, I picked up my new 15 last weekend, and, if the weather cooperates, I'll be stepping the mast in my driveway for the first time on Sunday. I hope I can reconstruct Bob's instructions. If I can't, I now know where to turn for assistance. :-) Before I get around to the rigging business this weekend, however, I would like to seek your advice on an issue with the motor I just purchased. I know the Honda 2 hp is widely used in the Montgomery community, so, when I saw one advertised recently in the Denver area, I jumped on it. It had been very lightly used, the price was right, and it seems to generally run well. Now for the complicating factor: I live at 8K+ feet in the Rockies and will usually be sailing at altitudes between 5 and 8,000 feet. I read in the owner's manual that engine power, even if properly modified, will decrease approximately 3.5% per thousand feet of altitude. I expected that with a conventionally-carbureted engine, but when I called a local boat dealer that services Hondas, the technician I spoke with was not exactly encouraging about the Honda's ability to idle properly at altitude, even with the fuel mixture leaned out a bit. I did start the engine again yesterday, and while it runs fine at higher rpms, I did have trouble keeping it going when throttled down to the point where the clutch disengaged. So my question is..does anyone in the group sail at altitude and use this motor? Can you tell me what your experience has been and whether you have had to, and were successful in, adjusting the carb to achieve a smooth(er) idle. Did you feel you had lost a significant amount of power while underway? Or, if you just want to weigh in with your thoughts, I would certainly welcome them as well. Many thanks. Mike Carter M-15 "La Pequenita"

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Freebird
by Ben Seall 13 Nov '08

13 Nov '08

Hello, I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who gave us information about Freebird. We (Annemiek and I) have bought the boat. She is a little tired but we will sort her out and get her shinning again. We live on Roatan, Honduras. We delivered her around the island to our dock on a 30 odd mile trip on Sunday and she was a pleasure to sail. We havelots of little jobs to do on her, but we will get there! Thanks again for all of your input. Kind regards Ben

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Re: M_Boats: Loctite Blue on the boom
by JDavies104＠aol.com 12 Nov '08

12 Nov '08

When I mounted reefing hardware last spring, I looked at how the factory had mounted the original hardware, which was 10-24 screws in tapped holes, no Loctite, and figured that if it was good enough for them it was good enough for me. They screw down really tight with no tendency to strip or loosen up. Rick M-17 Lynne L ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?red… 001)

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Loctite Blue on the boom
by James Poulakis 12 Nov '08

12 Nov '08

Hi Gang, I'm wrapping up the installation of reefing hardware on Spirit's boom. If I hit the #10-24 machine screws with some blue Loctite am I going to be sorry when I need to remove a fitting a few years from now? And just for info: I was concerned that #10-24 machine screws wouldn't have enough bite in the thin walls of the Dwyer DM-2 boom so rivets might be better. I checked with Dwyer, who said that either fastener will hold well. Jim Poulakis M-17 "Spirit"

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