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by George Morrison 11 Oct '08

11 Oct '08

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Re: M_Boats: Spider poop!
by Brian Gilbert 10 Oct '08

10 Oct '08

Hi everybody: Does anyone have a good way to deal with spider poop? I've got hundreds of little black tarlike drips all over my boat, penetrating into the gelcoat. Has anyone else had any experience with cleaning this nastiness off? Thanks very much Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer Sailor

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looking to buy a used Monty 15 or 17 in the new jersey area
by Sandra Anton 10 Oct '08

10 Oct '08

please post my email contact is sailrsandy(a)yahoo.com thank you

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Seattle area M boats....
by Bob From California 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

Dave over at sailboatowners.com needs to Measure some M_ boats for cockpit cushions, sail covers and perhaps dodgers. They will give whoever offers up a boat a $50 gift certificate...! Dave Groshong SailboatOwners.com Toll free 877-932-7245 ext.1146, Mon-Fri, 9-5 Pacific. dave(a)sailboatowners.com This will be a good source for mainsail covers and any canvas accessories...winch covers..etc..perhaps a jib bag....cockpit awnings, cockpit cushions...etc. They have very good pricing. Thanks. Bob

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Our Lapstrake heritage
by Mark Escovedo 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

Hello Both the Bristol Channel Cutter (28ft on deck) and the Falmouth Cutter (22ft on deck) were Lapstrake Hull design boats, they were made of fiberglass just like the Montgomery boats. I had the pleasure of touring the builders yard back in the early 90s. The construction and pride of workmanship on these examples of Lyle Hess designs was exceptional. They even had there own foundry to produce the bronze hardware used on the boats. It has always been a dream to make one part of my life one day. To bad Bob couldn't acquire the molds for these two fine designs when the manufacturer went belly up. It would be truly awesome if the BCC were added to the Montgomery line, she would be the Grand Dame of the design fleet. But I have to say that I'm very happy to be sailing a Lyle Hess hull design. It's comforting to know Montgomery's have such a solid maritime heritage, we have much to be proud of. Mark Escovedo M17F/D #103 AMY

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Re: M_Boats: BCC 40...Holy Cow!!
by Mark Escovedo 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

HOLY COW!!!!! I didn't even know there was a 40! Is it the same sail plan as the 28? I'll start saving my pennies ! ! Or, if I ever hit that Lotto thing, a phone call to you will be the second one I place. Cheers and wish me luck Mark Escovedo M17F/D #103 AMY ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob From California <ocean37(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 11:01:12 PM Subject: M_Boats: BCC 40... One more thing Mark.... I do own the BCC 40 Molds......Big boat. yep.... Probably as much room as a 52 footer inside.... Got a spare million? Bob > From: ocean37(a)hotmail.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:47:01 +0000> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Our Lapstrake heritage> > > Hi Mark..> > I still want to see your Flush Deck 17 when I get a chance...> > Some trivia for us Lyle Hess buffs..........> > The BCC28 and Falmouth Cutter 22 were smooth hulls. I was there when Lyle and Ernie Gyrie were> long boarding the 22 plug. I watched them lay up the first Nor'Sea 22. (which is what the first 10 or so > boats were called back in 1978-79)> > Previously Sam and Betty Morse hired my friend Bruce Meyers, the inventor of the Dune Buggy in the > 1960s...(now 82 years old; I attended a recent birthday party at his shop) Bruce will tell you he made> and lost 6 million dollars back in the late 60s....hahaha. but he was a master mold maker...not as good as> Jerry Montgomery, but close.. Bruce tooled the SamMorseCompany BCC 28 for Sam.> > When Heritage Marine sold the Nor'Sea 27 and Nor'Sea 22 at auction, Sam, Lyle and I went together.> > I bought the Nor'Sea molds and tooling and Sam agreed to buy the Nor'Sea 22 molds. Sam changed the name> to the Falmouth 22. This was in April 1980. > > Bruce Meyers tooled my Nor'Sea 37 for me in the late 80s. (bad back and all......) Lyle drew the lines> on the plywood floor we built for the stations......> > Sam ran out of work in 1992-93 and sold the company to George Hickama..(sp?) George had it for about> 2 months and ran out of money and took Roger Olsen in as a half owner. Roger moved George out a couple of months later. Tom and Dick, the two craftsman who worked for Sam since the beginning stayed on with Roger.> > Sam passed away 6 months after retiring in 1993. (NEVER RETIRE. DIE AT WORK!)> > > They built boats up thru about 2002 when Dick retired and Sumio took over from Roger. Sumio was a Japanese investor who actually moved to California to promote a Japanese market for the BCC. But Japan went thru a large recession and that idea fell by the wayside. Sumio, while a nice guy, just couldn't speak enough english to sell anything. He built a few boats only.> > 2 (?) years ago at the Annapolis Boatshow, I was over at friends Bernie and Kate (of Roguewave Yacht sales) along with Sumio, friend and fellow wine drinker Bob Perry and several others including former Nor'Sea 27 owner> and new M_17 owner Joe Murphy. (Hi Joe)....It was apparent that Sumio was selling the Sam Morse Company and production would cease. A sad story. Roger Olsen was also at the boatshow promoting his book.....Roger told me> when he bought the Sam Morse Company, he had $200,000 in his savings account. When Sumio took over> (for money he had invested) Roger said he was broke but did get a new BCC 28 to take with him. > > Bernie had a beautiful BCC28 in the show that year. The lines were long. Nobody bought one. That about> ended the company for Sumio. No orders were forthcoming. > > Sumio wanted 50K for the molds and tooling.....I don't know if he got that but he did sell the 28 and 22 to> Cape George Cutter Marine Works in Port Townsend, Washington.> > At the end, Tommy (the other 28 year craftsman) retired as well. I doubt the market for a new BCC 28 or> BCC 22 exists anymore. To many man hours.> > But it was fun seeing Lyle with that longboard, his hair full of grey primer dust......his big smile.> > It didn't get much better than that for Lyle.> > Bob> > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:51:16 -0700> From: m17flushdeck_amy(a)yahoo.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Our Lapstrake heritage> > Hello> Both the Bristol Channel Cutter (28ft on deck) and the Falmouth Cutter (22ft on deck) > were Lapstrake Hull design boats, they were made of fiberglass just like the Montgomery boats.> I had the pleasure of touring the builders yard back in the early 90s. The construction and pride of> workmanship on these examples of Lyle Hess designs was exceptional.> They even had there own foundry to produce the bronze hardware used on the boats.> It has always been a dream to make one part of my life one day.> To bad Bob couldn't acquire the molds for these two fine designs when the manufacturer went belly up.> It would be truly awesome if the BCC were added to the Montgomery line, she would be the Grand Dame> of the design fleet.> > But I have to say that I'm very happy to be sailing a Lyle Hess hull design. It's comforting to know > Montgomery's have such a solid maritime heritage, we have much to be proud of.> > Mark Escovedo> M17F/D> #103> AMY> > > > > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Our Lapstrake heritage
by Mark Escovedo 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

Hi Bob, Maybe it was the molded planking lines that made me think it was a Lapstrake hull. It's been years since I've seen one, but the line drawings I have of the boat show the planks. It's good to know that the molds went somewhere and weren't destroyed I wonder if Cape George Cutter Marine Works is turning out any new BCCs? It would be a shame to see this boat disappear. Thanks for the interesting history lesson, It would have been great to see Lyle laying out lofting lines. I remember a couple years back seeing a Falmouth 22 sailing in Marina Del Rey, she had tanbark sails. What a great sight to see. Again Thanks for the stories. Oh and I still think a fin keel Flushdeck 17 would be a wicked fun ride :) Mark Escovedo M1F/D #103 AMY ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob From California <ocean37(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 10:47:01 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Our Lapstrake heritage Hi Mark.. I still want to see your Flush Deck 17 when I get a chance... Some trivia for us Lyle Hess buffs.......... The BCC28 and Falmouth Cutter 22 were smooth hulls. I was there when Lyle and Ernie Gyrie were long boarding the 22 plug. I watched them lay up the first Nor'Sea 22. (which is what the first 10 or so boats were called back in 1978-79) Previously Sam and Betty Morse hired my friend Bruce Meyers, the inventor of the Dune Buggy in the 1960s...(now 82 years old; I attended a recent birthday party at his shop) Bruce will tell you he made and lost 6 million dollars back in the late 60s....hahaha. but he was a master mold maker...not as good as Jerry Montgomery, but close.. Bruce tooled the SamMorseCompany BCC 28 for Sam. When Heritage Marine sold the Nor'Sea 27 and Nor'Sea 22 at auction, Sam, Lyle and I went together. I bought the Nor'Sea molds and tooling and Sam agreed to buy the Nor'Sea 22 molds. Sam changed the name to the Falmouth 22. This was in April 1980. Bruce Meyers tooled my Nor'Sea 37 for me in the late 80s. (bad back and all......) Lyle drew the lines on the plywood floor we built for the stations...... Sam ran out of work in 1992-93 and sold the company to George Hickama..(sp?) George had it for about 2 months and ran out of money and took Roger Olsen in as a half owner. Roger moved George out a couple of months later. Tom and Dick, the two craftsman who worked for Sam since the beginning stayed on with Roger. Sam passed away 6 months after retiring in 1993. (NEVER RETIRE. DIE AT WORK!) They built boats up thru about 2002 when Dick retired and Sumio took over from Roger. Sumio was a Japanese investor who actually moved to California to promote a Japanese market for the BCC. But Japan went thru a large recession and that idea fell by the wayside. Sumio, while a nice guy, just couldn't speak enough english to sell anything. He built a few boats only. 2 (?) years ago at the Annapolis Boatshow, I was over at friends Bernie and Kate (of Roguewave Yacht sales) along with Sumio, friend and fellow wine drinker Bob Perry and several others including former Nor'Sea 27 owner and new M_17 owner Joe Murphy. (Hi Joe)....It was apparent that Sumio was selling the Sam Morse Company and production would cease. A sad story. Roger Olsen was also at the boatshow promoting his book.....Roger told me when he bought the Sam Morse Company, he had $200,000 in his savings account. When Sumio took over (for money he had invested) Roger said he was broke but did get a new BCC 28 to take with him. Bernie had a beautiful BCC28 in the show that year. The lines were long. Nobody bought one. That about ended the company for Sumio. No orders were forthcoming. Sumio wanted 50K for the molds and tooling.....I don't know if he got that but he did sell the 28 and 22 to Cape George Cutter Marine Works in Port Townsend, Washington. At the end, Tommy (the other 28 year craftsman) retired as well. I doubt the market for a new BCC 28 or BCC 22 exists anymore. To many man hours. But it was fun seeing Lyle with that longboard, his hair full of grey primer dust......his big smile. It didn't get much better than that for Lyle. Bob > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:51:16 -0700> From: m17flushdeck_amy(a)yahoo.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Our Lapstrake heritage> > Hello> Both the Bristol Channel Cutter (28ft on deck) and the Falmouth Cutter (22ft on deck) > were Lapstrake Hull design boats, they were made of fiberglass just like the Montgomery boats.> I had the pleasure of touring the builders yard back in the early 90s. The construction and pride of> workmanship on these examples of Lyle Hess designs was exceptional.> They even had there own foundry to produce the bronze hardware used on the boats.> It has always been a dream to make one part of my life one day.> To bad Bob couldn't acquire the molds for these two fine designs when the manufacturer went belly up.> It would be truly awesome if the BCC were added to the Montgomery line, she would be the Grand Dame> of the design fleet.> > But I have to say that I'm very happy to be sailing a Lyle Hess hull design. It's comforting to know > Montgomery's have such a solid maritime heritage, we have much to be proud of.> > Mark Escovedo> M17F/D> #103> AMY> > > > > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 68, Issue 10
by Joe Balla 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

Sean.... That is a very cool T-Shirt. I ditto the request for some XXL's on this run. Best, JB 1977 Montgomery 17 "Seranita" San Diego, CA

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New 2008 "LAPSTRAKE" T-shirts/sweatshirts
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

OK, I should probably wait a few more days until I am ready to take orders to unveil this, but I'm pretty excited about a new Monty t-shirt design that we'll be printing up. You may recognize the layout from the SCA magazine "Gunkhole" T-shirt. Well, I took that layout and applied it to what we sail. The layout is basically done. We are finishing up the final details of the pocket logo on the front which should be done by next week. Then we'll burn the screens and be ready to take orders for the first printing. The abstract line drawing of the boat came directly off of a photo taken by Mark Dvorscak of Dauntless sailing to Friday Harbor in the 07 San Juan Cruise but was intentionally left abstract to be able to represent any of the lapstrake hulls, as well as to be a little artsy/fartsy. Love to hear your comments but the artwork for logo is finalized. It also includes a reference to our bigger brothers, the Nor'seas. Since we share the same lines and heritage. As soon as the pocket logo is complete I'll add the artwork and ordering directions and prices. AND...if it makes you feel any better about purchasing a t-shirt/sweatshirt.....you will be donating to the "Dauntless travels 1500 miles to join the 2008 San Juan Montgomery Owners Rendezvous Fuel Fund"! So in reality this whole thing is Larry Yake's fault! :-) Here's the link: _http://havasumontgomerys.piczo.com/?g=40530412&cr=1_ (http://havasumontgomerys.piczo.com/?g=40530412&cr=1) Sean M23 Dauntless _www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001)

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Re: M_Boats: New 2008 "LAPSTRAKE" T-shirts/sweatshirts
by Larry E Yake 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

>>.....you will be donating to the "Dauntless travels 1500 miles to join the 2008 San Juan Montgomery Owners Rendezvous Fuel Fund"! So in reality this whole thing is Larry Yake's fault! :-) Look out! This must be a scam! There was no 2008 San Juan Rendezvous! Great looking shirts, Sean. Larry ____________________________________________________________ Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ohtZo5avnsRzNtYOJyHhQh1I…

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