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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 56, Issue 36
by Flickasf＠aol.com 22 Oct '07

22 Oct '07

Oh yes, in additon, use LED running lights and perhaps a cabin light. The solar panel easily charges the battery to full while anchored, etc. Bert Felton M 15 #365 Bella ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 56, Issue 35
by Flickasf＠aol.com 22 Oct '07

22 Oct '07

If you have a battery aboard your M 15, I would suggest a small, flexable, removable solar panel. I use one on my Flicka, and it works great. Bert Felton #365 Bella ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Halman 20 for sale
by Chris and Jeff Packer 22 Oct '07

22 Oct '07

After a week on the road and a lot of driving, Chris, Buster and I have made it home from Arizona and now have our "new" M23 parked in our yard. I had the great pleasure of taking the tiller on "Dauntless" with about 15 to 20 knots of wind, and had the opportunity to look her over and pick Sean's brain for ideas. Sean and Jo were gracious enough to offer us a place to rest for a night before hitting the road again (I really needed the rest as I had been sick for about 2 weeks prior). I now know that the stress and logistics of long distance boat buying can take a lot out of you, but I must say I'm very pleased with the results. I now must put my Halman 20 "Northwave" up for sale. Its a great boat, just not as roomy as the M23. The 20 foot Halman is a North Sea double ender design with full keel. She is a stout, strong, seaworthy cruiser capable of ocean passages. She has a new mahogany bowsprit with bronze fittings. 5 sails, older 7.5hp Honda 4 stroke, a nice 1996 6000lb dual axle sailboat trailer designed for keel boats with adjustable pads. The boat is located in NE WA (north of Spokane). I'm asking $7,600. You can email me for pictures at: cjpacker(a)theofficenet.com or Phone: (509) 685-2397 if interested. Jeff M23 "yet to be named"

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M-15 charging batteries
by Jim Sadler 22 Oct '07

22 Oct '07

Any of you skippers carry a small gas generator on board for charging batteries? Are you using outboards that have charging cabilities? Thanks Captain James Albert Sadler skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com

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Re: M_Boats: Video of sailing Dauntless in 30+ knots
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 22 Oct '07

22 Oct '07

I had BIG fun this last weekend! My favorite 'ride' got promoted to yesterdays sail on Sean and Jo's M-23 Dauntless. See Seans story - no embellishments here- just a VERY comfortable ride in a breeze, no panic or scariness - just big rollercoaster ride into those waves, (about 30 feet apart- perfect freq!) a real YEEEEEHAAA kinda ride. You do need to hold on with one hand. 'Frenchy' says upwind steering is 'a piece of Goat cheesecake'! "Smooth with a tiny spot of tart" A very well behaved ride. Much nicer than the conditions one would experience in a 17. It would have been quite 'annoying' in the 17 due to short waterline for these short freq waves - 23' was just right for Mr Mulligans Wild Ride! If you guys are looking for something to do in February - See Seans Poker-Run event at the Havasumontgomery page Good fun Big lake, Fine Folks and nice sailing! Gary O M-17 #316a Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron PS - Why do they call them "Storm Jibs" I think they are FUN JIBS! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 charging batteries
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 22 Oct '07

22 Oct '07

Captian Sandler, I have used on numerous boats a group 24 or 27 deep cycle battery that has been charged with a Solarex 10 watt panel and regulator. Current setup on M-17 is small 25 AH sealed aircraft battery, regulator, 10w panel. Items that operate off the battery are - cabin light -12w incandescent, running lights 2) 12/12w incand., MP3 player and amplifier (all day long), B&G network Speed/Log (all times), Garmin 276 GPS (intermittently). Battery is "salvaged from my buddies C-150 (won't start the engine) as it is not airworthy, holds 85% + of charge from panel and has been maint free to date -approx. 1 year, when it holds 65-70% or less I will replace the battery for the type use it gets at boat. Gasoline generator would be overkill, expensive, noisy and dangerous. Good Luck, Take Care,Have Fun Gary O. M-17 #316a Look for Seans new Heavy weather video @ Havasumontgomerys ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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New Montgomery Owners
by Chad Parrish 22 Oct '07

22 Oct '07

Hello everyone, After lurking on this list for well over a year, and even asking if I could join on one of the rendezvous with a com-pac I am happy to say we are the new owners of a 1977 Montgomery 17, hull number 259. She has a yellow hull and has the small galley installed. We are in Minnesota so this winter will be spent doing some maintenance and upgrades and possibly at least one trip south to escape the winter blues. --Chad and Dianna Monty 17 Hull 259 (Currently Unnamed) Henderson, MN

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Hull Number
by bill safford 21 Oct '07

21 Oct '07

How can the build year of an M17 be determined with any accuracy if the hull number is missing? Isn't the hull number supposed to be molded into the hull in the case of a fiberglass boat? I saw one M17 with a little plastic engraved plate attached to the hull with seriously corroded fasteners. Is this common to Montgomery? The plastic plate had white letters and numbers on a black background. The galvanized Pacific trailer still had its maker's tag on the tongue (1999). I know that cabin layout changed over the years, as did the cut out transom. A magnet run across the keel would show if the ballast was steel of lead. Are there any other sutle differences that may give away what year the boat was built? Many thanks to any and all who answer with an opinion, facts, or otherwise. Willy _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the latest Windows Live Messenger! Get it free today! http://www.get.live.com/wl/all

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Re: M_Boats: Cabin stove / heaters
by Larry E Yake 20 Oct '07

20 Oct '07

Steve, So would I be right in assuming you would recommend not buying the optional blower lid? That's about a $400 savings, and makes the price of the stove slightly less outrageous. Larry On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:47:45 -0700 "Steve & Diana Parsons" <sparsons(a)canby.com> writes: > Howard, > > Our Wallas heats very fast, not like a propane or gas stove, but it > is fast. > We have two burners that are both on at the same time. One is > cooler than > the other. Coffee water in the AM is just takes a few minutes. > The heat > is effectively adjustable to the point of being able to fry things > like fish > without burning it. The lid on our stove contains a fan that > circulates > air when the stove is on and the lid is down. To save amps, we use > the eco > fan and leave the lid up. > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:20 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cabin stove / heaters > > > > If I understand this product right, it has an enclosed combustion > chamber > > beneath the cast iron heating plate, so combustion gases are > vented to the > > outside. You can cook on it, or it also acts like a radiant > heater, so you > > can blow air over it to provide heat? > > > > The downside I see is how long it would take to warm the plate up > to cook > > on, and how hot it gets. The big criteria for boat stoves seems to > be how > > long to boil water. This one might come in last. I've also heard > of folks > > using small, solid fuel wood/coal/wood pellet stoves in the same > way. Same > > problem as I see it......how long is it going to take to get it > going? > > > > In all but the coldest weather, cooking inside on an exposed flame > has > > never been a problem for me. The companionway is usually open and > you can > > open the hatch for even more ventilation. Cold, wet, windy weather > is when > > the problem starts. > > > > In working with the steam heat system of a very old building, I've > come to > > appreciate the comfort offered by radiant steam heat. In trying to > figure > > out how to downsize one to a boat, what I've come up with is an > idea for a > > small boiler (perhaps no more than a quart of water) piped to a > section of > > copper fin tube. (A boiler repair guy I talked to told me there > are very > > small experimental lab sized boilers available). Steam is > generated, which > > heats the copper and heat is released by convection and as radiant > heat. > > (Same basic heat system as your car uses....except it's steam vs. > pumped > > hot water). Steam condenses in the pipe and gravity flows back to > the boil > > pot. In a small, enclosed, pressurized system, a small burner > about the > > size of butane torch is all that would be needed and then only on > the > > lowest setting. The combustion fumes would be piped to the > outside, > > requiring no more than a 1 inch stainless pipe. The same Ecco fan > mounted > > near the fin tube would be used to circulate air. No pumps, no > juice, no > > moving parts. > > > > And no plans to build it. Just an idea. > > > > Howard > > > > > > On Oct 2, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Larry E Yake wrote: > > > >> http://www.scanmarineusa.com/Wallas_stove_800.pdf > >> > >> I've done some follow-up on the Wallas stove / heater > combination. The > >> model 800 mini-stove with the 220 blower lid looks to be an ideal > set-up > >> for a galley model M17 or a M23. Unfortunately, they are VERY > expensive. > >> Adds up to a little over $1500 with all the installation > components. > >> > >> Larry > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Running Lights M-15
by Jim Sadler 20 Oct '07

20 Oct '07

What are you skippers doing for running lights? I am setting up Pelican for ocean cursing and want decent running lights. I now have lights with suction cups that stick on the side of the cabin (this is so un kool). Is the hot tip to mount the lights to the bow and stern pulpits? What size batteries are you using? What is the light arrangement? I am thinking of having a light for under power, an anchor light at the head of the mast, and the normal running lights maybe even a spreader light. I figure I could be underway at night for maybe 8 hours and the battery (or oil) would need to last that long. Are any of you using a solar panel or wind turbine? Yep you are right That ole boy just finished reading "Diary of a sea captains wife" Captain James Albert Sadler skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com

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