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Re: M_Boats: 1977 Monty 17 Leaks Centerboard Trunk
by bownez＠juno.com 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

Hello Chad, I'm thinking it may be time to remove the swing keel and have a look inside the centerboard trunk. You will want to do this for piece of mind and perhaps the only way to find the actual leak. Oddly enough on my M23, the leak was a worn hinge pin area that allowed water to enter the bilge. I think the M17 is different but the fact remains that you can't see much with the keel installed. It will also give you the opportunity to replace the pendant, re-surface and paint the swing keel, and examine the wear on the hinge and stop pins. A bit of work but once done, you won't need to second guess the operational condition. Keep us informed. Later, Bones

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1977 Monty 17 Leaks Centerboard Trunk
by Rick Langer 25 Oct '07

25 Oct '07

Chad, I'd do a lot more looking before I'd do any cutting. Connie had a leak in his M15 that he couldn't locate. I think, on the advice of Jerry he put water in the boat, while on the trailer and found the leak. If he's out there I'm sure he would give a much more colorful explanation. Once I was in the cockpit of an M17 with four other guys and it took on water into the cockpit and cabin through the scupper. How about calling the PO? If he drilled holes he must know something. When you find the leak, it will probably turn out to be something simple that doesn't warrant doing any cutting. Let us know what it turns out to be. Rick M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:55:13 -0500 > From: Chad Parrish <cparrish(a)fafnirnet.net> > Subject: M_Boats: 1977 Monty 17 Leaks Centerboard Trunk > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <33AE9C2C-9824-40AB-A747-D471B9E93DDB(a)fafnirnet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII > > Hello all, > > I am looking for some advice, the previous owner of the new to me > boat had added 2 holes in the hull liner on either side of the > centerboard trunk in the cabin. When we took the boat out for the > first time a couple of weeks ago I could see water in between the > hull and the hull liner. I had a leaking though hull as well at that > time and figured that was the source of my leak. Well the through > hull has been taken care of, but I still have water getting into the > boat. I presume it has something to do with the centerboard trunk. > > My number one rule in boating is "keep the water out" so I need to > get this fixed. Does anyone have any advice as to what my first step > should be? I was thinking of dropping the board and trying to see > up into the centerboard trunk to see if I could see what the problem > may be, or am I just better off cutting the centerboard trunk out > from inside the cabin and inspecting things that way? I can take > pictures later on this evening if that would help. Thanks for any > help or advice that you may have. > > Regards, > > Chad >

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1977 Monty 17 Leaks Centerboard Trunk
by Chad Parrish 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

Hello all, I am looking for some advice, the previous owner of the new to me boat had added 2 holes in the hull liner on either side of the centerboard trunk in the cabin. When we took the boat out for the first time a couple of weeks ago I could see water in between the hull and the hull liner. I had a leaking though hull as well at that time and figured that was the source of my leak. Well the through hull has been taken care of, but I still have water getting into the boat. I presume it has something to do with the centerboard trunk. My number one rule in boating is "keep the water out" so I need to get this fixed. Does anyone have any advice as to what my first step should be? I was thinking of dropping the board and trying to see up into the centerboard trunk to see if I could see what the problem may be, or am I just better off cutting the centerboard trunk out from inside the cabin and inspecting things that way? I can take pictures later on this evening if that would help. Thanks for any help or advice that you may have. Regards, Chad

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12 MONTGOMERY SAILBOAT WITH TRAILER , NO RIGGING , LESS TRAILER 375
by Larry E Yake 24 Oct '07

24 Oct '07

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/boa/457755606.html Saw this listing for a Monty 12 in the Seattle area.

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Video of sailing Dauntless in 30+ knots
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 23 Oct '07

23 Oct '07

Over the weekend we had planned on joining about five other local sailboats to head down the lake and spend the night out. We had been planning this for about two months to try to spark up interest again in sailing here in Havasu on a lake that has become overrun by high powered speedboats. I prayed and prayed and prayed that there would be wind for the weekend. I think I prayed too hard! Saturday was great, however the forecast for Sat night was for winds to be 25 to 35, gusting to 50, with gusts to 60 in narrow channels. Yikes. I pulled out the "wuss" card and we scrubbed the anchoring out portion of the trip. Most everyone sailed on Saturday then packed up and went home. Gary O. from Phoenix had come over and brought my friend Scott with him as crew. They spent the night at our house. On Sun morning we awoke to pretty stiff breezes, but not as bad as the forecast. I thought that if I could con these two guys (both seasoned sailors) to head out with me, it would be a perfect time to see how Dauntless would handle a really good blow. So off we went. Was it blowing? Oh yeah. Occasionally, I would pull out the handheld wind meter and got just about 30 knot readings, and there were times that we were too busy to pull out the meter that it blew harder. It started out as a train wreck. We hoisted the main with the first reef already tied in. Then, I hoisted the storm jib........upside down. Nice. I've never done that before and what a great time to start! I headed forward to deal with getting it down and flipping it over. That's when I heard Gary say "reef's out!". I thought the rope was off the cleat but no.....the reef block had been torn from the boom. Honestly, the reefing hardware was ridiculously undersized, I knew it and had not done anything about it. It didn't really matter anyway, because it was already obvious that we needed the second reef tucked in, which is what we did. And, we tied in a safety line to keep the second reef's hardware from letting go. Somewhere along the process, a batten pocket velcro opened up and the batten took another path than we did! hahaha. OK ...Take a deep breath! The main is double reefed, the storm jib is right-side up and drawing nicely...hey! we are actually sailing in this stuff. We took the boat around to the North side of the lake where the fetch allows some pretty impressive swells to build (for a lake). Sometimes as big as 4' but mostly 3 footers. Opposite of what I expected, going to windward was fairly easy but turning around and reaching was a ton of work for the person on the helm. The swells would try to yaw the boat as they hit the rear quarter. It was controllable but a heck of a workout. I should have tried raising the swing keel, but I didn't as we did not have a long way to go. I think that would have calmed down the tendency for the bow to round up when the rear quarter got hit with the larger breaking swells. Right at the end of the trip when we were getting ready to drop sail it(the wind) cranked up even more. I'm not sure of the wind-speed but there was spray beginning to come off the top of the swells as they broke. We sailed back to the marina with no problems. With some good teamwork we got the sails down without any damage and fired up the 9.9 yammerhammer. I was fortunate that when I bought the boat it had a 9.9 Hi-torque electric start 4 stroker on it. It worked great and has more than enough power to handle the boat effectively in that wind. Like Mark said a few weeks back about his high wind trip on "Faith", we always felt safe on the boat. She handled the conditions well. The failure of the reef gear was caused by undersize gear installed by the previous owner and not corrected by me. A good lesson for me to remember..Install good gear if you intend to seriously sail your boat. You never know when it might save your but! Oh yeah,.....also.....it's really embarrassing to hoist the storm jib that you never use upside down! Take a look at it when things are calm and walk through setting it up, lead placement, etc. etc.! Thanks to Gary and Scott. With both of them and myself on the boat it was pretty easy getting things done as they as both very accomplished sailors. It was a blast. You can see some short video(no sound and crummy quality) clips at my site _www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com) I took it with my still camera that allows quick low res video clips. (the sailing looks even easier than it was in the video, but believe me it was rockin'!) Sean ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 charging batteries
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 23 Oct '07

23 Oct '07

I didn't see any 'beautiful' faces either! King o the Goats, Pressed Rat & WartHog, and Seanie - no beauty in that gang fo SURE!! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 charging batteries
by Larry E Yake 23 Oct '07

23 Oct '07

I had the alternator option added to my 6hp Suzuki 4 stroke and it does a great job. In fact, that's the main reason I chose the Suzuki over the Yamaha 4hp, which doesn't offer an alternator option. It puts out 6 amps (same as my built in shore power charger) and doesn't have to be revved up high to acheive that. I installed the built in 120 volt charger thinking I'd use it to top off the battery at marinas when I'm on extended cruises, but I've never had to use it for that. It's main duty is to keep the battery topped off and "conditioned" when the boat is home. Great video, Sean! Must have been a blast sailing in those rollers. Ummm..... I didn't see any "beautiful" faces though. Maybe I watched the wrong video..... <grin> Larry

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Video of sailing Dauntless in 30+ knots
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 23 Oct '07

23 Oct '07

Hey John, Not sure why it wouldn't work for you. I just tried it and it loaded fine. hmmmm Computer stuff baffles me sometimes. The only answer I would have would be to try to reload the page. Let me know if you get it to work. Make sure the page has fully loaded before you click "play". You should see a picture of Gary O's beautiful face! Sean ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: Video of sailing Dauntless in 30+ knots
by Saltm17＠aol.com 23 Oct '07

23 Oct '07

Sean, I went to your site but for some reason I couldn't see the video. I would clik on the bar makred "Dauntless in 30+ knots" but nothing happened. What do I need to do to see the video? Thanks John Edwards M17 # 372 Miss T ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Video of sailing Dauntless in 30+
by Rick Langer 23 Oct '07

23 Oct '07

Hey Sean, I'd check that wind meter if I were you. By the looks of that sea in your video, I'd estimate the wind is blowing between 15 and 20 knots. http://www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com/?cr=1&rfm=y Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird

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