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Re: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling...
by chbenneck＠juno.com 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

Hi Rick, I used a 1/8" line as a jib down haul. My jib had bronze hanks so there was plenty of room between the forestay and the jib hanks for the 1/8" line, with no binding or problems. On deck I had two fairleads that lead the line from a block at the bow fitting back to the cockpit. I would thread the line through the fairleads, through the turning block (a Harken on a swivel); and then I would tie it to the top jib grommet using a bowline. Next I would connect the jib halyard, then the jib hanks - enclosing the 1/8" line. When finished, you just have to be sure that the downhaul can run free as you hoist your jib. The downhaul, as Jerry says, is a great device, and I always used it. If you want the jib down, release the jib halyard, and pull on the jib downhaul. The head of the jib is on deck and isn't going anywhere. If you then pull the jib sheet tight, the jib is on deck and though it may flutter, it can't go anywhere. Connie

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Poor man's roller furling...
by Rick Langer 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

I'll try that Tom. I always thought the fouling problem was due to the nylon twist hanks, but maybe it's caused by the fact that I attach the downhaul to the halyard shackle, which puts it at the head of the sail. Thanks, Rick M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:50:22 -0700 > From: "Tom Smith" <tsmith(a)nextit.com> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <A2EB0F68DF166144818552654A0B142835BE08(a)viropsy.nextnet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Speaking quickly before Randy gets a chance to give the correct answer, > I think it's a loop only in the sense that it's a single line. The > downhaul end of the halyard connects to the second or so sail hank, and > the shackle attaches to the head of the sail. My experience is I have > to connect the downhaul at least two sailhanks down from the head of the > sail to prevent fouling when pulling the sail down... t > > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle > M17 #496

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RE: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling...
by Tom Smith 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

Howard, I weave the downhaul up through the spaces between the hanks rather then try to thread it through them. Maybe a 3/8s or quarter inch line. Works fine. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle M17 #496 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:53 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... What size and type of line are you guys using for your downhauls? It doesn't take much strength to pull the sail down, but the one I used, which can be threaded up the hanks with the forestay, is too light. It is a light, flexible line of maybe 1/8". It fouls too easily. Maybe a Stayset in 3/16"? Howard On Jun 28, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Tom Smith wrote: > > Speaking quickly before Randy gets a chance to give the correct > answer, I think it's a loop only in the sense that it's a single line. > The downhaul end of the halyard connects to the second or so sail > hank, and the shackle attaches to the head of the sail. My experience > is I have to connect the downhaul at least two sailhanks down from the > head of the > sail to prevent fouling when pulling the sail down... t > > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle > M17 #496 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats- > bounces+tsmith=nextit.com(a)mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of Rick Langer > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:36 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... > > Hey Randy, > > I think that's a great idea. How do you attach the halyard shackle to > the loop? > > Thanks, > > Rick > M15 #337 > Bluebird > >> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:35:51 -0700 >> From: "RandyG" <RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu> >> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... does it work? >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Message-ID: >> <8331CA150C5B404A9215D167DA103A4E013AE6(a)exch1.cite.nic.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Brian, >> >> Our 1988 M15 and M17 both came rigged with Jib halyards and downhauls >> lead back to the cockpit. On both boats I replaced the individual jib >> halyard and downhaul lines with a single line, in effect making a big >> loop of both lines . As you raise or lower the jib the single line >> feeds in-and-out of the cockpit, leaving nothing to coil or stow. >> >> Randy >> M17 #410 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Poor man's roller furling...
by Rick Langer 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

Hey Randy, I think that's a great idea. How do you attach the halyard shackle to the loop? Thanks, Rick M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:35:51 -0700 > From: "RandyG" <RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... does it work? > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <8331CA150C5B404A9215D167DA103A4E013AE6(a)exch1.cite.nic.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Brian, > > Our 1988 M15 and M17 both came rigged with Jib halyards and downhauls lead > back to the cockpit. On both boats I replaced the individual jib halyard > and downhaul lines with a single line, in effect making a big loop of both > lines . As you raise or lower the jib the single line feeds in-and-out of > the cockpit, leaving nothing to coil or stow. > > Randy > M17 #410

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RE: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... does it work?
by Tom Smith 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

Nice idea Randy. I like everything about the continuous loop set-up but the weight of the line. I prefer to use a lighter line for the downhaul. What you might do is core the part of the line that you use as the downhaul (don't know how feasible such a long core job is...). Could you splice a smaller dia. line to the halyard? t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle M17 #496 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RandyG Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:36 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... does it work? Brian, Our 1988 M15 and M17 both came rigged with Jib halyards and downhauls lead back to the cockpit. On both boats I replaced the individual jib halyard and downhaul lines with a single line, in effect making a big loop of both lines . As you raise or lower the jib the single line feeds in-and-out of the cockpit, leaving nothing to coil or stow. Randy M17 #410 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of Rick Langer Sent: Tue 6/27/2006 1:32 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... does it work? Hi Brian, It is a good idea and I think many or most on this list have their boats rigged with a jib downhaul. And it's an essential element if you want to control all functions of the boat from the cockpit. One problem that I've encountered with my jib downhaul is that the working jib, which has the twist type nylon headstay clips, often fouls when dropped with the downhaul. My genoa has the brass spring clips and the downhaul operation works very nicely. The system is very simple, a light line going from the jib halyard shackle down to a small block at the stem head, turning the line back to the cockpit. A cleat somewhere at the aft end of the cabin will allow you to keep the line shipshape when the jib is up and keep the halyard tight when the jib is down. If you need to drop the jib in a hurry, it's the only way to go,especially on our small boats, where going forward is not only dangerous, but changes everything about the way the boat sails. Fair Tides, Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:57:54 -0400 > From: Brian Gilbert <hammerguy(a)mindspring.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... does it work? > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <C0C6CDC2.7270%hammerguy(a)mindspring.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Everybody: > I'm curious about something... has anybody ever used a jib downhaul to > control their headsail on their boats? You know, where you tie a light > line to the head of the jib abd run it through a small block at the > stem of the boat. A pull from the cockpit is supposed to bring the jib > down without having to send a crew forward. If you've ever tried it, > does it work? > > It seems like a good idea, but if it worked, I'd imagine more folks > would have their boats rigged that way, and it seems we never hear of > anyone actually using a jib downhaul. I'd suppose you'd need halyards > led to the cockpit as well. > > Just wondering! > > Best > BG _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Poor man's roller furling... does it work?
by Brian Gilbert 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

Hi Everybody: I'm curious about something... has anybody ever used a jib downhaul to control their headsail on their boats? You know, where you tie a light line to the head of the jib abd run it through a small block at the stem of the boat. A pull from the cockpit is supposed to bring the jib down without having to send a crew forward. If you've ever tried it, does it work? It seems like a good idea, but if it worked, I'd imagine more folks would have their boats rigged that way, and it seems we never hear of anyone actually using a jib downhaul. I'd suppose you'd need halyards led to the cockpit as well. Just wondering! Best BG

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Re: M_Boats: How was the San juans???
by Larry E Yake 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

> Ok you guys/gals, I can't take it anymore! Someone post something > about how > the San Juan Trip went!!! ;-) > > Sean Oh, it was OK. <grin> We had a great trip. Here are the basic facts. 8 boats, 11 people, 190 nm travelled, about 70% sailing, good weather (cool, but not much rain), Orca sightings twice right beside the boats, otters, seals, raccoons, eagles, dolphins, salmon, starfish, oysters, clams, etc, etc,.... gorgeous sunsets, brisk mornings, a mix of marinas and secluded anchorages, great companions, beautiful hikes with outstanding views, dockwalkers ogling the Montgomerys, (Mark and Roberta were ready to post a sign on their M23 at Friday Harbor to answer all the questions), a yacht broker in Anacortes saying "Those are the best boats in the marina." (a marina with million dollar yachts), meals at fancy restaurants and canned stew in the boat, one night at anchor in winds gusting around 40+, and sailing that varied from ghosting along in barely a drifter to pounding to windward against a stiff wind and rough breaking waves. And thanks, Sean, for donating a pair of hats and mugs for door prizes for the opening night dinner. They were a big hit. Hopefully more stories to follow. Larry

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Poor man's roller furling... does it work?
by Rick Langer 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

Hi Brian, It is a good idea and I think many or most on this list have their boats rigged with a jib downhaul. And it's an essential element if you want to control all functions of the boat from the cockpit. One problem that I've encountered with my jib downhaul is that the working jib, which has the twist type nylon headstay clips, often fouls when dropped with the downhaul. My genoa has the brass spring clips and the downhaul operation works very nicely. The system is very simple, a light line going from the jib halyard shackle down to a small block at the stem head, turning the line back to the cockpit. A cleat somewhere at the aft end of the cabin will allow you to keep the line shipshape when the jib is up and keep the halyard tight when the jib is down. If you need to drop the jib in a hurry, it's the only way to go,especially on our small boats, where going forward is not only dangerous, but changes everything about the way the boat sails. Fair Tides, Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:57:54 -0400 > From: Brian Gilbert <hammerguy(a)mindspring.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... does it work? > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <C0C6CDC2.7270%hammerguy(a)mindspring.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Everybody: > I'm curious about something... has anybody ever used a jib downhaul to > control their headsail on their boats? You know, where you tie a light > line > to the head of the jib abd run it through a small block at the stem of the > boat. A pull from the cockpit is supposed to bring the jib down without > having to send a crew forward. If you've ever tried it, does it work? > > It seems like a good idea, but if it worked, I'd imagine more folks would > have their boats rigged that way, and it seems we never hear of anyone > actually using a jib downhaul. I'd suppose you'd need halyards led to the > cockpit as well. > > Just wondering! > > Best > BG

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San Juans
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 27 Jun '06

27 Jun '06

Randy, I checked out your pictures and they are great. I'm sooo disapointed that 'Jo and I did not get to attend this years trip. I know Larry is kind of "on the fence" about putting the trip together next year. I sure hope it goes. If I don't have Dauntless ready to go by that trip I'm throwing in the towell! You are right about the 17. I think many will agree that it is the best all around boat of the three sizes. My good friend Jason Thompson just moved up to your neck of the woods (Idaho) and took his 17 with him. I am so sorry to see him go. We've had some great sails together and he was always around to bounce ideas off of and give a hand when needed. But, I talked to him yesterday and he's all settled in his new home and happy as can be. Says he really doesn't miss 120 degrees! Go figure? I have no doubt that you guys will meet each other sooner or later. Thanks for posting the pictures. I also really enjoyed the pics of you and Larry at Pend Oreille. That looks like a beautiful sailing area and obviously the day you took the shots the wind was willing to play! I check your site pretty regularly looking for anything new that might pop up. You did a knock out job at fixing up "Not-So Sinky". Good inspiration for me! Well, just catylized the last gallon of barrier coat and it's almost been the required 20 minutes of induction time. So...off to the great outdoors to paint like a fool! Sean

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San Juans
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 27 Jun '06

27 Jun '06

Oh man! That trip sounds like it was GREAT! I'm really sorry we had to back out. Thanks for the update Larry. Now.......lets see some pics!!!! Sean

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