January 2006 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Need a little help...
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 24 Jan '06

24 Jan '06

Hi All, I'm working on next months update for the Photo Site and I've got about 150 or so photos ready to post, bringing the total up to 916 photos on 151 pages. That's the good news! Here is the bad news: There are 8 - Montgomery 15's / 13 - Montgomery 17's / 7 - Montgomery 23's and only 3 - Montgomery Dinghys in albums on the site. Almost 1/3 of the 23's ever made are in albums. Where are all of the Dinghy's, M-15 and M-17's photos? To keep this a Montgomery site as opposed to a Sailboat Photo Site (other brands) we need to get more M-Boats on the site. AND, when the site hits 1000 photos, I'm taking a break! It would be nice to see a bunch of Montgomery Boats represented before I do. I have had a bunch of trouble in the past with being able to open photos using AOL... Thanks to RG I have a new E-mail address that is accepting large amounts of storage and so far I can D/L every photo sent. So, please use the following: _billamicasr(a)gmail.com_ (mailto:billamicasr@gmail.com) Thanks for considering to participate. Please send one photo so I may see the size (picky, picky) before you send a bunch. BIll _www.MSOGPhotoSite.com_ (http://www.MSOGPhotoSite.com)

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Need a little help...
by Bobbie Mayer 24 Jan '06

24 Jan '06

Okay, you've shamed me into it, I'll try to scan a few pictures in of my M15 and email them! (I don't have anything digital, I'm sorry to say.) Bobbie

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new to the montgomery world
by raleighkarl＠aol.com 23 Jan '06

23 Jan '06

Hey everyone, I'm in the act of selling my big cruiser and acquiring a Monty. Finally got tired of slip fees, hefty maintenance charges, and having to depend on finding a crew to enjoy a day out. Wondered if anyone on the list knows of any Montys for sale at the present. I am located in North Carolina and don't mind a good road trip, so distance is hardly important. Any info for a would be owner/buyer would also be great. Thanks, karl

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Re: M_Boats: You want a BRONZE keel!
by thauser＠att.net 21 Jan '06

21 Jan '06

Thanks for the info on brass. That's the neat thing about this web site. I love my M-15. Just bought her last summer. There are many small projects to do, most are just cosmetic. Anyway, I appreciate the info. Tom

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RE: M_Boats: Ospho?
by Tom Smith 21 Jan '06

21 Jan '06

Much discussed. 170 to 180 pounds originally, a bit lighter after 30 years of corrosion. /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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RE: M_Boats: Ospho?
by Holly 20 Jan '06

20 Jan '06

Just to make it clear: All the Montgomery boats prior to 1987 had steel shot for ballast. So if your boat was built before that date, it has steel shot for ballast. You can use a magnet to check. ALSO: All fiberglass centerboards weigh 40 to 50 pounds. Never 75 pounds.! The fiberglass centerboards are identical for the M_15 and the M_17. Same shape and same weight. AlSO: All fiberglass centerboards built before 1987 have steel shot in them. After that date, sometime during 1987, lead shot was used for ballast and for the interior of the 45 pound fiberglass centerboard on all the Montgomery sailboats. Fair winds Bob -----Original Message----- >From: thauser(a)att.net >Sent: Jan 20, 2006 11:24 AM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>, 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Cc: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Ospho? > >M-owners: > >Please include me in CB repair ideas. Our M-15 #175, Kestrel, has her CB jammed. Am planning to jack up next month and try to remove. According to my info, the ballast is/was lead shot but can't confirm. I don't see any rust stains or bleeding from the little I can see up the trunk. > >Since the CB weighs about 75#, I will stop by a brass foundry in Salt Lake City and see if they can make a pattern and cut me a solid brass CB. Only maintenance after that will be with Brasso to keep it shiny for the fish to chase after. > >Thanks for all the helpful info so far. > >Tom >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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You want a BRONZE keel!
by Brian Gilbert 20 Jan '06

20 Jan '06

Tom: I'm sure others have said so already, but brass ain't never gonna work. You never, never want to use brass below the waterline. It contains zinc, and it will "de-zincify: the zinc in the brass electrolyzes away, just like a sacrificial zinc. Brass can be useful aboard... I like to use brass pipe nipples to make drains, but they have to be well above the waterline. You want true marine-grade bronze. The folks at the foundry should be able to advise you. I've been thinking of asking the folks at new Found Metals what a M17-shaped opening port would cost in bronze! Best BG -- Brian Gilbert Marine Media Author, Fix It and Sail (423)876-9990 3404 Hartford Drive Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com on 1/20/06 3:42 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com at montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > Cc: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> > Message-ID: > <012020061924.6236.43D139080008BCE20000185C21603759649D0A9C9A0E089B(a)att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > M-owners: > > Please include me in CB repair ideas. Our M-15 #175, Kestrel, has her CB > jammed. Am planning to jack up next month and try to remove. According to my > info, the ballast is/was lead shot but can't confirm. I don't see any rust > stains or bleeding from the little I can see up the trunk. > > Since the CB weighs about 75#, I will stop by a brass foundry in Salt Lake > City and see if they can make a pattern and cut me a solid brass CB. Only > maintenance after that will be with Brasso to keep it shiny for the fish to > chase after. > > Thanks for all the helpful info so far. > > Tom

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RE: M_Boats: Ospho?
by thauser＠att.net 20 Jan '06

20 Jan '06

M-owners: Please include me in CB repair ideas. Our M-15 #175, Kestrel, has her CB jammed. Am planning to jack up next month and try to remove. According to my info, the ballast is/was lead shot but can't confirm. I don't see any rust stains or bleeding from the little I can see up the trunk. Since the CB weighs about 75#, I will stop by a brass foundry in Salt Lake City and see if they can make a pattern and cut me a solid brass CB. Only maintenance after that will be with Brasso to keep it shiny for the fish to chase after. Thanks for all the helpful info so far. Tom

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RE: M_Boats: Ospho?
by Hughston, Larry 20 Jan '06

20 Jan '06

Sean, please put me on your list for this discussion of keels and CB problems. I have no idea what is in my M-15 keel, 1981 hull #189. Fair Winds, Larry Hughston in Sacramento -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of Nebwest2(a)aol.com Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:19 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Ospho? Thanks for the input on the Ospho. I agree that it would probably be a band-aid not a cure. I'm waiting on some pics from Theo of how a similar problem with his keel was remedied by removing the steel and replacing with it with lead, and Jerry is sending me a diagram of how the inside of the keel is laid out. I'll scan all the stuff and put it on the website when I get it in case anyone wants it for reference. I better go and start making friends with the local tire shop(s). 1200 lbs is a lot of lead!!! Sean _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: More on keels
by bownez＠juno.com 20 Jan '06

20 Jan '06

Hello Howard and listers, My M17 has no cavity in the keel similar to yours Howard. Jerry tells us the M17's were built both ways. I don't know if there is a hull number that corresponds to keel or no keel cavity. My M17 is an early one, 1976 hull #92. The M23 is a whole different scenario. I do have a bilge that will drain into a hollow portion in the top section of the keel. I estimate it to be about 16" deep. The pickup hose from the cockpit mounted bilge pump feeds to it. It will pump out most of the water but not all. When I sponge out the last bit of water before winter layup, it is rust colored. Perhaps there is some steel in there? Later, Bones

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