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Cool Boats - One more - The Rhodes 22
by Shawn Boles 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Hi All: A relatively little known, but great boat. Check it out. http://www.rhodes22.com/home.html cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978)

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Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 2.5HP on M15 w/fixed mount?
by JazzYachts＠aol.com 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

In a message dated 8/17/04 6:19:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tynerjr(a)gmpexpress.net writes: > The boat > does retain the fixed mount, and certainly the outboard will not lock when > just tilted. I've not put much effort into determining whether or not it > will lock up when tilted and rotated, but it would be a close thing anyway > if it does. Next time I mount the outboard I'll try to remember to test it > out. I've lost track of the original question, but I gather it has to do with whether the 2HP Honda locks in the stowed position. My recollection---and it's been awhile now---is that it locked in the stowed position without any trouble. There was the usual little cam lock. The tolerances were tight and it seems like the outboard had to be rotated 90 degrees to lock on the fixed mount. Cheers, John

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Yamaha 2.5HP on M15 w/fixed mount?
by David Wood 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Thanks to all who have responded to my question so far. I'm still not sure which way to go, especially if Yamaha is considering a long shaft version of the 2.5. The tilt lock situation is a little disconcerting too. On the MSOG site there's a picture of John Harris's "Chimpanzee" with what appears to be a Honda on the fixed mount, and it seems to be locked in the tilted position, and also appears to be rotated. I gather that John has sold his boat, but I wonder if he still lurks here and might provide details. John? You out there? David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David W. Wood -=- dwood(a)woodatwork.com 1981 M15 -=- Hull #163

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RE: M_Boats: Yamaha 2.5HP on M15 w/fixed mount?
by Smith, Tom 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Tilting the Honda up on the fixed mount is like doing a rubics cube (can't tell you about any motor besides the Honda 2 4-stroke). I clamp the motor on inboard of center. When I want to tilt it up, I turn it backwards and bring it up. It's still close, and sometimes locks itself, and sometimes I have to reach down to engage the lock manually. I then turn the motor sideways so a.) it's oriented as it would be if it was sitting on the ground--little rubber knobs down and b.)because it gives you a bit more clearance prop to water. To put it down, reverse the procedure--the power head has to be backwards to unlock. As you lower it, turn it sideways again because otherwise shaft doesn't seat properly. I recommend you do this procedure in your driveway first. It's not hard, just a little awkward. Good luck. t Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed

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Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 2.5HP on M15 w/fixed mount?
by chbenneck＠juno.com 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Hi David, On my M15 I had the original fixed mount and a short shaft 2 HP HONDA engine when I bought it. You can tilt the motor and it will lock in the tilt position. However, to do that you can't just pull the motor straight back. Then the motor shroud hits the transom, and it won't tilt far enough for the latch to function. You have to turn the motor sideways - if I remember correctly - I turned mine counterclockwise, and then tilted it till the latch locked it in place. Never had a problem doing that. Connie M15 #400

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Re: M_Boats: Cool Boats - One more - The Rhodes 22
by Rik Sandberg 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Shawn, Yes sir, used to own an R-22. They are a very nice boat. Rik At 11:50 AM 8/17/2004, you wrote: >Hi All: > >A relatively little known, but great boat. Check it out. > >http://www.rhodes22.com/home.html > >cheers- >Shawn Boles >Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Yamaha 2.5HP on M15 w/fixed mount?
by Hughston, Larry 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Thanks again. ---Larry -----Original Message----- From: BILLAMICASR(a)aol.com [mailto:BILLAMICASR@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:36 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 2.5HP on M15 w/fixed mount? I made the Honda tilt up & lock on my old P-15 by adding spacers and another mount board to the factory fixed mount. Memory says I only put it back about 1/2 inch or so. Allowing the cowling to clear when tilted. Can't say if it will work on the M-15. Bill M-17 "Tiperary" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 2.5HP on M15 w/fixed mount?
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

I made the Honda tilt up & lock on my old P-15 by adding spacers and another mount board to the factory fixed mount. Memory says I only put it back about 1/2 inch or so. Allowing the cowling to clear when tilted. Can't say if it will work on the M-15. Bill M-17 "Tiperary"

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Re: M_Boats: Yamaha 2.5HP on M15 w/fixed mount?
by Randy Watkins 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

Hello David, I've owned both and used both on the M15. 1. Honda 2- l/s I found it a bit "too long" while hanging on the fixed mount. From what I remember it wouldn't lock back as the motor would hit the stern. I ended up installing an adjustable motor bracket. It worked out great after that. I liked being able to raise the motor in shallow water. I sold the motor and boat. 2. Yamaha 2.5 This is our current motor and I use it on the stock mount. It works pretty well but the motor won't tilt and lock up, very much liek the Honda. I made a wood rod to that holds it up when needed. I'll probably install another lifting bracket to accomodate shallow water and rigging the boat. You don't want to back down a ramp and have your motor drag on the ramp! Performance wise I'm happy with the 2.5. I used it on a cruise a couple of weeks ago and we ended up motoring about 7 hours due to lack of wind. We covered approx. 29 nm according to my GPS . The motor used 1.5 gal. of fuel. The real neutral is a nice feature. This motor starts up usually first pull. It's nice to have at least two good choices on these small 4 strokes. It seems you couldn't go wrong with either. Randy W. M15 Becca Anne >>> dwood(a)woodatwork.com 8/16/04 6:09:21 PM >>> I'm considering the Honda 2HP or the Yamaha 2.5HP motors to replace the electric troller on my M15. It has the fixed engine mount and I'm therefore leaning toward the long-shaft Honda, since Yamaha doesn't offer the 2.5 with a long shaft. Is there anyone with a fixed mount on their M15 who has experience with the Yamaha? Is there a cavitation problem in chop or when going forward to raise and lower sails? I've searched the archives, but can't find any info about that. Any ideas? David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David W. Wood -=- dwood(a)woodatwork.com 1981 M15 -=- Hull #163 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Yamaha 2.5 long shaft MIGHT be coming
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 17 Aug '04

17 Aug '04

David, I have a Honda 2 long shaft on the stock mount, so I will defer to others regarding the current (short) Yamaha 2.5 on stock mount. Thought you (and others) might be interested to learn that Yamaha *might* produce a long shaft version of this engine in the near future. When I queried several dealers at this year's Pacific Sail Expo, they indicated that this was one of the most requested changes/additions to the line. One dealer thought it was only a matter of time. We shall see. For my use, the long shaft has proven the better choice, but the short shaft seems to work well for many. Indeed, if you don't sail/motor in areas with big seas, or if you don't often go forward while motoring, the short shaft might be preferable. My Honda does drag in the water on a starboard tack, but I find this an acceptable tradeoff. BTW: My Honda 2 is now completely disassembled, as the shaft seal at the bottom of the case apparently leaked and let water into the crankcase. If I am correct, this should not happen with the newer generation of Honda 2's, as I believe they did away with the water cooled exhaust of my earlier (1997) model (the engine/head is air cooled in all 2hp models, but earlier models pumped water to the top of shaft housing to point where exhaust elbow enters). Fortunately, I caught this early (oil turned 'creamy'), and there is no apparent damage. When/if my Honda does die, I will look seriously at the Yamaha 2.5--especially if they do introduce a long shaft. I have heard that it makes considerably more power than my generation of Honda (that is, more than the 0.5 hp difference would suggest). I too would like to hear from those who have them on M15's. Scott M15 #478 'bebe' PSC Flicka <<I'm considering the Honda 2HP or the Yamaha 2.5HP motors to replace the electric troller on my M15. It has the fixed engine mount and I'm therefore leaning toward the long-shaft Honda, since Yamaha doesn't offer the 2.5 with a long shaft. Is there anyone with a fixed mount on their M15 who has experience with the Yamaha? Is there a cavitation problem in chop or when going forward to raise and lower sails? I've searched the archives, but can't find any info about that. Any ideas? David>>

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